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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 6 2017, 04:01 PM (1,019 Views) | |
| kidwrestlingcoach | Jan 6 2017, 04:01 PM Post #1 |
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I've always hated this call. Two wrestlers are locked up in neutral and time expires, then the ref awards 2 takedown. Offensive wrestler is riding in a situation where he can't gain 2 takedown by getting behind again, but when time expires the ref awards 1 to the bottom guy. If the points were awarded prior to time expiring a kid can do something about it, but when the ref puts points in the pocket of one wrestler and doesn't pull them out until time is up it's no wonder kids, coaches, and parents get upset. Are refs supposed to do this? |
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| WrestlingOfficial | Jan 8 2017, 10:18 AM Post #2 |
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Sorry Not understanding your question. You are saying the ref gives a TD as time expires but they are neutral then gives an escape to other wrestler at same time? |
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| Lumberjacks | Jan 8 2017, 07:51 PM Post #3 |
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I think he's describing two different situations...in both cases the official gives the points after time expires, or buzzer goes off. Ive seen it done many times, it's not a takedown for 10,15,20 seconds the kids are in the position, but when the time expires...tada points appear. If not points for the 10-15 seconds they were in that position why is it points when the buzzer sounds... I believe that is the scenario the poster is referring to. It's actually a really good question, I'm curious to hear the answer or reasoning. Of course I'm only guessing by what he posted. While we're at it..this happened this weekend. Referee's position, top wrestler puts bottom wrestlers heel on his own butt and lays across it trapping the leg, bottom wrestler cannot release his leg, top guy is on it for 30-45 seconds. Bottom wrestler essentially can do nothing because his leg is bent up, trapped against him and held by opponents weight. I have watched officials many times tell the top wrestler they must release the trapped leg, when not released it has been called potentially dangerous. the official in this situation stated there is nothing wrong with that. Is there a rule to release a trapped leg in this situation? Thanks Edited by Lumberjacks, Jan 8 2017, 08:00 PM.
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| WrestlingOfficial | Jan 9 2017, 07:52 AM Post #4 |
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Ok in the 1st situation maybe and I say maybe cause I would have to see it first but the ref is waiting for the top wrestler to gain enough control and just so happens to do it at the buzzer. The slightest movement can make the whole difference (i.e. grab both legs beyond reaction time, or get the hips up higher. Could be just an inch or 2 that the ref is waiting on for it to get up. As for an escape at the buzzer that is typically situation where the ref was looking to give the reversal but couldn't because bottom wrestler never gained control and time expired however top wrestler definitely lost control. Finally for you last question rule book clearly states that the top man can not pin the heel to the buttocks for more than 5 seconds. This is the only 5 second on the ankle rule that exists. Many coaches still think a wreslter can't hold the ankle for 5 seconds. Even so much as they will count out loud for us to hear. That rule has been gone for at least 15-20 years. Now the rule does say that the top man can be hit for stalling if he repeatedly goes to the ankle and isn't working to break the top man down. Hope that answers your questions. |
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| mndak | Jan 9 2017, 11:11 AM Post #5 |
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I notice the second situation more than the others. Especially on the way out of bounds. It also seems to be one of those calls that upsets one bench even when it's the correct call. |
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| Lumberjacks | Jan 9 2017, 10:06 PM Post #6 |
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Thanks! |
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| kidwrestlingcoach | Jan 12 2017, 01:23 PM Post #7 |
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Two situations: 1) A shoots on B and gets to legs and B gets A's chest wrapped and pulls A over so we are in a place where neither improves. Everyone watches for 20 seconds hoping their guy wins; either A scores the takedown, time expires, or a stalemate is called. The whistle or buzzer sounds both wrestlers relax and the ref awards a takedown to A. We are all watching so stating something subtle happens sounds like a evasion of the question. Pretend nothing changes, should that takedown be awarded? 2) Top wrestler A drops to a single to return B to the mat. B traps A's leg an throws the action into the leg pass situation we see so much in college and international recently. We see wrestler A maintain control if a stalemate is called or they go out of bounds. I watched time expire in this situation and an escape was awarded. This happened at the end of first or second period so wrestler A was able to deal with the out come. At the end of a match is where I really hate these calls. I'm not trying to demean officials, I'm hoping we can see less of these calls. I get that sometimes there are subtle changes that happen with very little time left, but the official should be able to articulate the change to the coach or wrestler. |
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