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SDSU 2017-2018; How will they do?
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I always assumed Morningstar was kept on the staff because he was an electrifying wrestler with a large arsenal of offensive attacks in his competing days.
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I always assumed Morningstar was kept on the staff because he was an electrifying wrestler with a large arsenal of offensive attacks in his competing days.
Exactly! Same way we don’t find it at all ironic when he makes a scene as a coach holding up the “stalling fist” when one of his wrestlers compete.

If SDSU hires him, the foam stalling fists will immediately become hipster level ironic
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Morningstar was in Brookings today...hopefully interviewing to be Hahn's assistant:)

Why would he leave an assistant job at Iowa to be a assistant at SDSU?
Who wouldn’t want to jump on arguably the fastest rising program in NCAA wrestling?? Nert’s to you Lock Haven & Drexel!!

/that said, pretty sure it was stated in jest
1. The "assistant" thing was in jest (because I hope they hire Hahn today).
2. Morningstar was one of the most boring wrestlers in the history of the sport but has proven to be one of the best recruiters in the country -- go figure.
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Morningstar gets more credit for being a world class recruiter than he deserves. He does better than their last guy but they are not out recruiting PSU or Tosu in the B1G conference alone. Heck Becker and Dustin have out recruited him this year.
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Apr 5 2018, 07:23 AM
Morningstar gets more credit for being a world class recruiter than he deserves. He does better than their last guy but they are not out recruiting PSU or Tosu in the B1G conference alone. Heck Becker and Dustin have out recruited him this year.
You only have so much money to give per year....
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Apr 5 2018, 08:07 AM
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Apr 5 2018, 07:23 AM
Morningstar gets more credit for being a world class recruiter than he deserves. He does better than their last guy but they are not out recruiting PSU or Tosu in the B1G conference alone. Heck Becker and Dustin have out recruited him this year.
You only have so much money to give per year....
Yeah, in the last 2 years they've gotten Lee, Lugo, Marinelli, Warner, and Murin. They're doing just fine.
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Apr 5 2018, 07:23 AM
Morningstar gets more credit for being a world class recruiter than he deserves. He does better than their last guy but they are not out recruiting PSU or Tosu in the B1G conference alone. Heck Becker and Dustin have out recruited him this year.
You only have so much money to give per year....
Yeah, in the last 2 years they've gotten Lee, Lugo, Marinelli, Warner, and Murin. They're doing just fine.
Still only good for 3rd -5th in the conference. Again. He gets more credit than he deserves. All Hawkeye hype.
Lee was a great get and we all know he didn't go there because of morningstar. He went there because Tom and Terry do well with 125, 133 pounders.
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Apr 5 2018, 09:11 AM
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Apr 5 2018, 07:23 AM
Morningstar gets more credit for being a world class recruiter than he deserves. He does better than their last guy but they are not out recruiting PSU or Tosu in the B1G conference alone. Heck Becker and Dustin have out recruited him this year.
You only have so much money to give per year....
Yeah, in the last 2 years they've gotten Lee, Lugo, Marinelli, Warner, and Murin. They're doing just fine.
Still only good for 3rd -5th in the conference. Again. He gets more credit than he deserves. All Hawkeye hype.
Lee was a great get and we all know he didn't go there because of morningstar. He went there because Tom and Terry do well with 125, 133 pounders.
cuz they can look them in the eye.
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Apr 5 2018, 07:23 AM
Morningstar gets more credit for being a world class recruiter than he deserves. He does better than their last guy but they are not out recruiting PSU or Tosu in the B1G conference alone. Heck Becker and Dustin have out recruited him this year.
Not suggesting he is the best recruiter in the land. However, He is well respected(apparently not here) for his craft though. Obviously having the platform that is Iowa to recruit to helps. He is a good contrast of personality to the Brands. Brands identified this and sought out to bring M* to Iowa city from Wisconsin and in the process let Zadick move on.

Obviously if ur an SDSU fan u want Hahn though.
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Apr 5 2018, 07:23 AM
Morningstar gets more credit for being a world class recruiter than he deserves. He does better than their last guy but they are not out recruiting PSU or Tosu in the B1G conference alone. Heck Becker and Dustin have out recruited him this year.
You only have so much money to give per year....
Yeah, in the last 2 years they've gotten Lee, Lugo, Marinelli, Warner, and Murin. They're doing just fine.
Still only good for 3rd -5th in the conference. Again. He gets more credit than he deserves. All Hawkeye hype.
Lee was a great get and we all know he didn't go there because of morningstar. He went there because Tom and Terry do well with 125, 133 pounders.
Good enough for 3rd at NCAA's, and that's with 3 of the guys I listed on redshirt.
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Anybody know if Sell offered the job to one of the candidates yet?

Have to think it's Hahn's job if he wants it
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I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
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Apr 5 2018, 07:28 PM
I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
Hahn could still be on the mat wrestling. He's 4 years younger then Eggum, so mid 30's. Great age to still roll with the college guys while starting to look for a hc job.
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Apr 5 2018, 07:28 PM
I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
Two requests: 1) please YouTube search Damion Hahn coach and let me know what you find. 2) honest question....how many times has Hahn been in corner for national title and AA placement matches for his wrestlers??
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I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
Two requests: 1) please YouTube search Damion Hahn coach and let me know what you find. 2) honest question....how many times has Hahn been in corner for national title and AA placement matches for his wrestlers??
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Apr 5 2018, 07:28 PM
I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
Cornell AA performances before Koll and Hahn (1928-2005) 21
Cornell AA performances with Koll before Hahn (1993-2005) 11
Cornell AA performances since Hahn (2006-2018) 48

I get it, he's never had the top job, but if there's anyone that you can predict success with who hasn't been a head coach it's surely him.
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I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
Two requests: 1) please YouTube search Damion Hahn coach and let me know what you find. 2) honest question....how many times has Hahn been in corner for national title and AA placement matches for his wrestlers??
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I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
These are the exact reasons to why Hahn is more than qualified for the SDSU position.
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Apr 5 2018, 07:28 PM
I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
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I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
Two requests: 1) please YouTube search Damion Hahn coach and let me know what you find. 2) honest question....how many times has Hahn been in corner for national title and AA placement matches for his wrestlers??
He's been in his own corner for at least 2 championship matches.
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I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
Cornell AA performances before Koll and Hahn (1928-2005) 21
Cornell AA performances with Koll before Hahn (1993-2005) 11
Cornell AA performances since Hahn (2006-2018) 48

I get it, he's never had the top job, but if there's anyone that you can predict success with who hasn't been a head coach it's surely him.
To the best of my knowledge, there were only 3 place-winners per weight from 1928-39, 4 place-winners per weight from 1940-62, 6 place-winners per weight from 1963-78, then 8 from 1979-present (if anyone knows this to be inaccurate, feel free to correct).

Also, for many years there were far more programs nationwide than there are now.

The point is that listing the number of AAs from any given period can be factual, but also misleading.

This is meant as a clarification, not as a pro or con regarding Hahn.
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I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
Cornell AA performances before Koll and Hahn (1928-2005) 21
Cornell AA performances with Koll before Hahn (1993-2005) 11
Cornell AA performances since Hahn (2006-2018) 48

I get it, he's never had the top job, but if there's anyone that you can predict success with who hasn't been a head coach it's surely him.
To the best of my knowledge, there were only 3 place-winners per weight from 1928-39, 4 place-winners per weight from 1940-62, 6 place-winners per weight from 1963-78, then 8 from 1979-present (if anyone knows this to be inaccurate, feel free to correct).

Also, for many years there were far more programs nationwide than there are now.

The point is that listing the number of AAs from any given period can be factual, but also misleading.

This is meant as a clarification, not as a pro or con regarding Hahn.
Good points! So this should be comparing apples to apples?

Cornell AA performances with Koll before Hahn (1993-2005) 11
Cornell AA performances since Hahn (2006-2018) 48
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The SDSU Student-Run newspaper thinks that Zadick, Sammie Henson, and Steve Costanza are the front runners.

As an SDSU alum, I can rest easy knowing that that newspaper hasn't improved.
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I know Hahn has a lot of assistant experience and was a national champ and 4x AA but he had never been a head coach. Please everyone stop acting like he has been the head coach at Cornell because he is not. Associate head coach is nothing more than basically naming a head coach in waiting after Koll retires which probably will be a while as he really is a CEO with fundraising and isn’t on the mat daily anymore.
These are the exact reasons to why Hahn is more than qualified for the SDSU position.
Never said he is or isn’t qualified. I just stated he has not been the head coach/CEO of the program. He is qualified to be at SDSU for sure. One things in regards to Cornell is it took a long time to get all the ducks in a row so to speak. Sure Hahn has been a good asset to the program but Rob Koll didn’t inherit much. It took him many years to establish alumni connections that he has that are IMO equal to no other college program inregards of setting up graduating wrestlers with careers with big time alumni whom run companies and his fund raising is up there with the best as well. I would take Rob Koll as my #1 pick as CEO of a college wrestling program. I remember on the channel CSTV they used to have duals on 15 years ago and Cornell was just starting to turn the corner with Travis Lee winning 2 titles and starting to get blue chippers like Adam Frey, Mike Grey. Since then it’s only escalated and Hahn has for sure helped but people have realized Cornell is a great decision, especially upperweights having Hahn to help them.



I am sure Damion has learned a lot from him to make him a great candidate. Whether he has the people and alumni $$$$$ to work with is doubtful though at SDSU. Bono probably was the perfect coach for that school but he has no loyalty to anyone.
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Bono probably was the perfect coach for that school but he has no loyalty to anyone.
Not true...Bono said he is never leaving Wisconsin and will retire there. How much more loyal can you get?
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Bono probably was the perfect coach for that school but he has no loyalty to anyone.
Not true...Bono said he is never leaving Wisconsin and will retire there. How much more loyal can you get?

He also told a room full of SDSU recruits last year that he wasn't going anywhere when asked about his potential for leaving. I heard him say it during our recruit visit. He responded adamantly, "I'm not going anywhere!"


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Bono probably was the perfect coach for that school but he has no loyalty to anyone.
Not true...Bono said he is never leaving Wisconsin and will retire there. How much more loyal can you get?

He also told a room full of SDSU recruits last year that he wasn't going anywhere when asked about his potential for leaving. I heard him say it during our recruit visit. He responded adamantly, "I'm not going anywhere!"


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Bono is only loyal to bono.
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Bono probably was the perfect coach for that school but he has no loyalty to anyone.
Not true...Bono said he is never leaving Wisconsin and will retire there. How much more loyal can you get?

He also told a room full of SDSU recruits last year that he wasn't going anywhere when asked about his potential for leaving. I heard him say it during our recruit visit. He responded adamantly, "I'm not going anywhere!"


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Bono is only loyal to bono.
I understand people being upset that he left...he did a great job at SDSU.....but come on....which one of you dont/ didnt have career goals which you sought out. This is a part of life abd I would never blame a guy for choosing to better himself and his family.....be disappointed....but respect and support his decision.
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He also told a room full of SDSU recruits last year that he wasn't going anywhere when asked about his potential for leaving. I heard him say it during our recruit visit. He responded adamantly, "I'm not going anywhere!"


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Bono is only loyal to bono.
I understand people being upset that he left...he did a great job at SDSU.....but come on....which one of you dont/ didnt have career goals which you sought out. This is a part of life abd I would never blame a guy for choosing to better himself and his family.....be disappointed....but respect and support his decision.
Exactly, the kind of coach that would be excited to have a long term career at SDSU, is not the type of coach that can deliver national success to SDSU.

It's the nature of the beast and a double edged sword.

He is required to say those types of things and it is a gamble for a high level recruit to sign with a small program.

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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepHe also told a room full of SDSU recruits last year that he wasn't going anywhere when asked about his potential for leaving. I heard him say it during our recruit visit. He responded adamantly, "I'm not going anywhere!"


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Bono is only loyal to bono.
I understand people being upset that he left...he did a great job at SDSU.....but come on....which one of you dont/ didnt have career goals which you sought out. This is a part of life abd I would never blame a guy for choosing to better himself and his family.....be disappointed....but respect and support his decision.
Exactly, the kind of coach that would be excited to have a long term career at SDSU, is not the type of coach that can deliver national success to SDSU.

It's the nature of the beast and a double edged sword.

He is required to say those types of things and it is a gamble for a high level recruit to sign with a small program.

While on the official visit sitting in Bono's living room I asked both Chris and Jon about last years Pitt interview and if he/they planned on staying if other opportunities came up. They said all the right things. Today Alex and I had a conversation about his feelings about that day and how he feels now. What I can tell you is we both understand and hold nothing against Chris or Jon. Nothing but love and respect for both men. A great opportunity still awaits Alex at SDSU. They will get the right guy in there, bet on it.
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