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SDSU 2017-2018; How will they do?
Topic Started: Mar 26 2017, 09:28 PM (65,921 Views)
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Tomasello wrestled 33 last year, but is prob going to 25 this year.
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Brock and Gross matches were always tight.

Gross enters at #1
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Sep 5 2017, 07:41 PM
Brock and Gross matches were always tight.

Gross enters at #1
Except that last time when Gross beat him 12-3.
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Sep 5 2017, 07:41 PM
Brock and Gross matches were always tight.

Gross enters at #1
Well, he did major him the last time, I bet that Gross broadens the gap this year.
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Forgot about the major.

Gross is the favorite at this point, but a couple other guys on or at least near his level IMO.

Schopp leaving hurts IMO.

Gross made a huge jump this past year, is there that much room for another big jump like that? IDK

I do think both Brock and McKee make big keeps this season with a year of experience under them now.

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Sep 5 2017, 06:52 PM
Gross wrestles at 133, unless there's some news about him dropping down that I'm not aware of.
Yeah, Figure Four clearly said that he thought that NATO was the one guy that could stop Gross from a title and now NATO is going back down to 125.

Personally, I think the streaky unknown guy in this weight class is Micic.
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Flowrestling just ranked Zilverberg at 157 and I tend to trust Pyles when it comes to things like this. What does this mean for the rest of the line-up? Could this mean that we'll see Kocer and Ayers down a weight too or will Peterson or Bye end up filling in at 165?
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Sep 11 2017, 12:20 AM
Flowrestling just ranked Zilverberg at 157 and I tend to trust Pyles when it comes to things like this. What does this mean for the rest of the line-up? Could this mean that we'll see Kocer and Ayers down a weight too or will Peterson or Bye end up filling in at 165?
I would have to think that a move like this would be made in an effort to get both Ayers and Mueller into the lineup.
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Flowrestling just ranked Zilverberg at 157 and I tend to trust Pyles when it comes to things like this. What does this mean for the rest of the line-up? Could this mean that we'll see Kocer and Ayers down a weight too or will Peterson or Bye end up filling in at 165?
I would have to think that a move like this would be made in an effort to get both Ayers and Mueller into the lineup.
I don't see Kocer at 165, he is about 6'1 and pretty lean.
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Cody Caldwell hired as assistant coach.

http://gojacks.com/news/2017/9/15/caldwell-named-assistant-wrestling-coach.aspx
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I'm glad that we filled the spot and it's a great chance for a young coach to gain some experience, but I think we can do better as we move forward.
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I'm glad that we filled the spot and it's a great chance for a young coach to gain some experience, but I think we can do better as we move forward.
Bono says it will help to recruit the state of Iowa. Makes no sense, not going to get any blue chips out of that state competing against the Hawks, Clones and Panthers.

Caldwell seems like a poor man's Jon Reader.
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I'm glad that we filled the spot and it's a great chance for a young coach to gain some experience, but I think we can do better as we move forward.
Kind of makes me wonder if there is something else going on there within the coaching ranks? Plus, the Schopp departure didn't seem to make much sense to me either. An up and coming and exciting program like SDSU (granted, it is in Brookings, SD) would seem like it could command a bigger name. Maybe I am wrong. I wish him the best, and congrats for getting the gig.

I also agree that Iowa likely isn't the lowest hanging fruit for a recruiting bed for SDSU. There are certainly some good wrestlers in Iowa, but the State population isn't that great, and there are already three D1 very good to solid D1 programs in Iowa. Someone from Minnesota would have made more sense to me if he wanted connections to a State for recruiting.
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I'm glad that we filled the spot and it's a great chance for a young coach to gain some experience, but I think we can do better as we move forward.
Kind of makes me wonder if there is something else going on there within the coaching ranks? Plus, the Schopp departure didn't seem to make much sense to me either. An up and coming and exciting program like SDSU (granted, it is in Brookings, SD) would seem like it could command a bigger name. Maybe I am wrong. I wish him the best, and congrats for getting the gig.

I also agree that Iowa likely isn't the lowest hanging fruit for a recruiting bed for SDSU. There are certainly some good wrestlers in Iowa, but the State population isn't that great, and there are already three D1 very good to solid D1 programs in Iowa. Someone from Minnesota would have made more sense to me if he wanted connections to a State for recruiting.
I think Schopp might have been reading the tea leaves. Gross was a match made in heaven for him and it might have made his career if he coached him to a championship, you have to wonder why he would leave that behind. Bono spent a lot of the off-season looking for a way out, it's only a matter of time before he finds one. It could be that Schopp wanted to get out before Bono bailed. The Caldwell hire isn't that concerning for me just because it was short notice and they needed somebody quick, I just wish they would have labeled him an emergency hire. I don't think he brings anything to the table; no prestige, one year of part-time coaching experience at a NAIA school, no recruiting connection that we don't already have, and he isn't a good enough wrestler to push our better guys in the room. In my perfect world we'd hang on to Caldwell for two seasons and try to convince Gross to stick around after that.
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I'm glad that we filled the spot and it's a great chance for a young coach to gain some experience, but I think we can do better as we move forward.
Kind of makes me wonder if there is something else going on there within the coaching ranks? Plus, the Schopp departure didn't seem to make much sense to me either. An up and coming and exciting program like SDSU (granted, it is in Brookings, SD) would seem like it could command a bigger name. Maybe I am wrong. I wish him the best, and congrats for getting the gig.

I also agree that Iowa likely isn't the lowest hanging fruit for a recruiting bed for SDSU. There are certainly some good wrestlers in Iowa, but the State population isn't that great, and there are already three D1 very good to solid D1 programs in Iowa. Someone from Minnesota would have made more sense to me if he wanted connections to a State for recruiting.
I think Schopp might have been reading the tea leaves. Gross was a match made in heaven for him and it might have made his career if he coached him to a championship, you have to wonder why he would leave that behind. Bono spent a lot of the off-season looking for a way out, it's only a matter of time before he finds one. It could be that Schopp wanted to get out before Bono bailed. The Caldwell hire isn't that concerning for me just because it was short notice and they needed somebody quick, I just wish they would have labeled him an emergency hire. I don't think he brings anything to the table; no prestige, one year of part-time coaching experience at a NAIA school, no recruiting connection that we don't already have, and he isn't a good enough wrestler to push our better guys in the room. In my perfect world we'd hang on to Caldwell for two seasons and try to convince Gross to stick around after that.
....or maybe Schopp left for more money. I'm guessing the 2nd assistant doesn't make much money at SDSU. As far as Caldwell, I would guess that he is going to help to get more kids from Iowa. He was one of the coaches of the junior team. Maybe he build a few relationships that could help. Sounds like a pretty good young man.
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Who knows why AJ took the job? Sure he had his reasons but doubt he bailed because he thought the "ship was sinking"! From the little i saw of him with the coaching staff it looked as though he was having fun coaching there. If he was unhappy there, then he did a good job of disguising it.
Obviously the pay was better as a 1st assistant at a big ten school then a 2nd assistant job anywhere if that was the position he took. I'm sure anyone can look it up as it's public information.

It's good to see different view points from others and it makes for good discussion. That's what these boards are for. With that said, I personally think its highly unlikely to think Bono and staff are going to bail. Did he want the Iowa State job or get an interview for it...............I don't know. If he would have been given the opportunity to go there, yeah I could have seen that. It's a big time gig at his alma mater........................not bailing on SDSU. Didn't he turn down the Pitt or Penn job?

I'm a supporter of SDSU wrestling. Mainly because of what he has done with the program. I believe he has done great things so far and will continue to in the future. Get Jacked!
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I wasn't following wrestling as closely five years ago, but wouldn't the concept of SDSU being this relevant five years ago been thought of as crazy talk at that time? Tough to argue with how far Bono has brought the program.
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Who knows why AJ took the job? Sure he had his reasons but doubt he bailed because he thought the "ship was sinking"! From the little i saw of him with the coaching staff it looked as though he was having fun coaching there. If he was unhappy there, then he did a good job of disguising it.
Obviously the pay was better as a 1st assistant at a big ten school then a 2nd assistant job anywhere if that was the position he took. I'm sure anyone can look it up as it's public information.

It's good to see different view points from others and it makes for good discussion. That's what these boards are for. With that said, I personally think its highly unlikely to think Bono and staff are going to bail. Did he want the Iowa State job or get an interview for it...............I don't know. If he would have been given the opportunity to go there, yeah I could have seen that. It's a big time gig at his alma mater........................not bailing on SDSU. Didn't he turn down the Pitt or Penn job?

I'm a supporter of SDSU wrestling. Mainly because of what he has done with the program. I believe he has done great things so far and will continue to in the future. Get Jacked!
I don't know that there's a dichotomy between a "first assistant" and a "second assistant" I think that there are just "assistants" and "head assistants". As far as I can tell he was one of two assistants under Bono at SDSU and is now an assistant under a head assistant and Ersland. He likely has fewer responsibilities at Purdue than he had at SDSU and though he might be making more now though I would doubt it. Tyrel Todd, the head assistant, is only making $56,000 is year and Schopp made $50,000 last year. Schopp left for a reason; it wasn't a better opportunity and it probably wasn't money. It may have been because Brookings isn't for everybody, or because of his family, but I'm a little worried about the possibility that it could mean something more. Bono did turn down the Pitt job, but he also flew out there to interview for it and he was in talks with Iowa State (I think). I don't think he'll leave after this season because I don't think there will be any great job openings but there are indications that he could be looking for a different opportunity.
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Interviewing for a job, even if your not even considering a change, is a good thing to do. It's just a good way of keeping the A.D. working to keep you. "I think" he was in talks with Iowa State....could you elaborate??

As far as AJ having fewer responsibilities, your probably correct. Look at Purdue and their results in the past 5 years. Now look at SDSU under Bono during the same time period. I would say it's safe to say that Bono has his assistants working very hard. That's what a good head coach does!

You seem to elude that Bono will be leaving very soon. Outside him taking an interview at Pitt, and turning it down btw, what's being said to make you think he's leaving??
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Interviewing for a job, even if your not even considering a change, is a good thing to do. It's just a good way of keeping the A.D. working to keep you. "I think" he was in talks with Iowa State....could you elaborate??

As far as AJ having fewer responsibilities, your probably correct. Look at Purdue and their results in the past 5 years. Now look at SDSU under Bono during the same time period. I would say it's safe to say that Bono has his assistants working very hard. That's what a good head coach does!

You seem to elude that Bono will be leaving very soon. Outside him taking an interview at Pitt, and turning it down btw, what's being said to make you think he's leaving??
I didn't feel like looking back but I seem to remember hearing on an episode of FRL that they had reached out to him, but I could be wrong on that. I'm less convinced about the idea that interviewing at Pitt was a tactical move for a few reasons; Justin Sell is the most wrestling-friendly AD that I've ever heard of, Bono is already paid very well, taking the interview puts doubts in the minds of recruits, and it gets conspiracy theorists like me typing on our computers about the sky falling on SDSU wrestling. So if it was a tactical move, it was a very poor tactical move.

The indicators that I've seen that have lead me to believe that he could be looking for a way out are as follows:

1. The interview at Pitt
2. The purported conversations with Iowa State
3. He's one of the most sought after coaches in the country and his name is brought up every time there's a major job opening
4. He does an unusually good job of marketing himself as an individual ("get BONOfide" team shirts, elaborate website, connection with FLO, etc...)
5. There may be a cap on just how much you can do with the SDSU wrestling team given the limitations of a small DI school in a small state like South Dakota.

Now I could be wrong and I hope that I am. All of these things could be easily explained away in a completely reasonable way but, taken together, it gets me wondering.
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I see AJ as having a much different coaching philosophy than Bono.

Schopp > Reader as tactical coach.
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Prediction:

Bono will be the coach at Maryland after this season.
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Maryland??? I could definitely see and McCoy getting the boot but you won't see Bono going to Maryland.

Bono has put his blood sweat and tears into this program over the last several years. From the little I know of him, he's not going to jump ship and dismiss all the hard work he has put in and where he has the team right now.

People have said that he has a tough time recruiting with Iowa Iowa State in Minnesota nearby. That's going to get better at Maryland…….Penn state, Rutgers, Cornell, Penn.........amongst others.

Bono isn't going anywhere........ onto the next topic of discussion !

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Interviewing for a job, even if your not even considering a change, is a good thing to do. It's just a good way of keeping the A.D. working to keep you. "I think" he was in talks with Iowa State....could you elaborate??

As far as AJ having fewer responsibilities, your probably correct. Look at Purdue and their results in the past 5 years. Now look at SDSU under Bono during the same time period. I would say it's safe to say that Bono has his assistants working very hard. That's what a good head coach does!

You seem to elude that Bono will be leaving very soon. Outside him taking an interview at Pitt, and turning it down btw, what's being said to make you think he's leaving??
I didn't feel like looking back but I seem to remember hearing on an episode of FRL that they had reached out to him, but I could be wrong on that. I'm less convinced about the idea that interviewing at Pitt was a tactical move for a few reasons; Justin Sell is the most wrestling-friendly AD that I've ever heard of, Bono is already paid very well, taking the interview puts doubts in the minds of recruits, and it gets conspiracy theorists like me typing on our computers about the sky falling on SDSU wrestling. So if it was a tactical move, it was a very poor tactical move.

The indicators that I've seen that have lead me to believe that he could be looking for a way out are as follows:

1. The interview at Pitt
2. The purported conversations with Iowa State
3. He's one of the most sought after coaches in the country and his name is brought up every time there's a major job opening
4. He does an unusually good job of marketing himself as an individual ("get BONOfide" team shirts, elaborate website, connection with FLO, etc...)
5. There may be a cap on just how much you can do with the SDSU wrestling team given the limitations of a small DI school in a small state like South Dakota.

Now I could be wrong and I hope that I am. All of these things could be easily explained away in a completely reasonable way but, taken together, it gets me wondering.
every time you talk about this topic, i realize you know very little about it....
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Interviewing for a job, even if your not even considering a change, is a good thing to do. It's just a good way of keeping the A.D. working to keep you. "I think" he was in talks with Iowa State....could you elaborate??

As far as AJ having fewer responsibilities, your probably correct. Look at Purdue and their results in the past 5 years. Now look at SDSU under Bono during the same time period. I would say it's safe to say that Bono has his assistants working very hard. That's what a good head coach does!

You seem to elude that Bono will be leaving very soon. Outside him taking an interview at Pitt, and turning it down btw, what's being said to make you think he's leaving??
I didn't feel like looking back but I seem to remember hearing on an episode of FRL that they had reached out to him, but I could be wrong on that. I'm less convinced about the idea that interviewing at Pitt was a tactical move for a few reasons; Justin Sell is the most wrestling-friendly AD that I've ever heard of, Bono is already paid very well, taking the interview puts doubts in the minds of recruits, and it gets conspiracy theorists like me typing on our computers about the sky falling on SDSU wrestling. So if it was a tactical move, it was a very poor tactical move.

The indicators that I've seen that have lead me to believe that he could be looking for a way out are as follows:

1. The interview at Pitt
2. The purported conversations with Iowa State
3. He's one of the most sought after coaches in the country and his name is brought up every time there's a major job opening
4. He does an unusually good job of marketing himself as an individual ("get BONOfide" team shirts, elaborate website, connection with FLO, etc...)
5. There may be a cap on just how much you can do with the SDSU wrestling team given the limitations of a small DI school in a small state like South Dakota.

Now I could be wrong and I hope that I am. All of these things could be easily explained away in a completely reasonable way but, taken together, it gets me wondering.
every time you talk about this topic, i realize you know very little about it....
I would love to know more. The reason I submit ideas to forums like this is so they can either be proven wrong or hardened in the fires of dialogue. You're not doing me any favors by keeping your criticism to yourself.
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Maryland??? I could definitely see and McCoy getting the boot but you won't see Bono going to Maryland.

Bono has put his blood sweat and tears into this program over the last several years. From the little I know of him, he's not going to jump ship and dismiss all the hard work he has put in and where he has the team right now.

People have said that he has a tough time recruiting with Iowa Iowa State in Minnesota nearby. That's going to get better at Maryland…….Penn state, Rutgers, Cornell, Penn.........amongst others.

Bono isn't going anywhere........ onto the next topic of discussion !

"Put his blood, sweat, and tears into this program"

Do you really think that SDSU is the final destination for Bono? Do you think that's his end goal? I love South Dakota, but there are going to be very few (close to zero) coaches who have a good amount of success at SDSU and say, "nah, I'm good, I'm just going to stay here." That's almost never going to happen, and that's ok. That's the type of program that SDSU is in all sports. When you're an up and coming D1 school your coaches are going to get poached, it's the nature of the beast. If your coaches aren't getting poached then you're probably doing something wrong. Obviously there will be the one rare person every once in a great while who is either from SD or just falls in love with the community and decides that's where they want to be forever, but I don't think that's Bono, and I don't blame him at all.

Also, recruiting at Maryland wouldn't be that terrible. They're the only Division 1 wrestling program in the state (not counting Navy, but I think we can all agree they're a different beast). Being the lone Division 1 program in the state is a pretty big deal in terms of recruiting.
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Maryland would have to care about wrestling for this scenario to even be realistic. Their last AD, now at NCST, was a huge advocate.

IMO Bono would leave for about 10-15 jobs. Places where it is conducive to winning a team national title. Unless one of those opportunities arises, Brookings is where he will stay.
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Sep 19 2017, 09:33 AM
Maryland would have to care about wrestling for this scenario to even be realistic. Their last AD, now at NCST, was a huge advocate.

IMO Bono would leave for about 10-15 jobs. Places where it is conducive to winning a team national title. Unless one of those opportunities arises, Brookings is where he will stay.
Maryland was just a guess as it's a Big Ten job that looks like it'll be opening up. I more so believe that it's naïve to think Bono is going to be around for the long haul.
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Maryland would have to care about wrestling for this scenario to even be realistic. Their last AD, now at NCST, was a huge advocate.

IMO Bono would leave for about 10-15 jobs. Places where it is conducive to winning a team national title. Unless one of those opportunities arises, Brookings is where he will stay.
A Maryland was just a guess as it's a Big Ten job that looks like it'll be opening up. I more so believe that it's naïve to think Bono is going to be around for the long haul.
No guarantee that the 10-15 jobs he would consider leaving for will open up during his tenure.

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Maryland would have to care about wrestling for this scenario to even be realistic. Their last AD, now at NCST, was a huge advocate.

IMO Bono would leave for about 10-15 jobs. Places where it is conducive to winning a team national title. Unless one of those opportunities arises, Brookings is where he will stay.
A Maryland was just a guess as it's a Big Ten job that looks like it'll be opening up. I more so believe that it's naïve to think Bono is going to be around for the long haul.
No guarantee that the 10-15 jobs he would consider leaving for will open up during his tenure.

Even if we're to assume that he'd only leave for 10-15 jobs, it'd be pretty remarkable for none of them to come open during his coaching career. I still believe that had he been offered the Iowa State job he would already be gone.
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