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SDSU 2017-2018; How will they do?
Topic Started: Mar 26 2017, 09:28 PM (65,920 Views)
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Sep 19 2017, 09:33 AM
Maryland would have to care about wrestling for this scenario to even be realistic. Their last AD, now at NCST, was a huge advocate.

IMO Bono would leave for about 10-15 jobs. Places where it is conducive to winning a team national title. Unless one of those opportunities arises, Brookings is where he will stay.
A Maryland was just a guess as it's a Big Ten job that looks like it'll be opening up. I more so believe that it's naïve to think Bono is going to be around for the long haul.
No guarantee that the 10-15 jobs he would consider leaving for will open up during his tenure.

Even if we're to assume that he'd only leave for 10-15 jobs, it'd be pretty remarkable for none of them to come open during his coaching career. I still believe that had he been offered the Iowa State job he would already be gone.
A lot of the big time programs or programs with many of the tools needed have a stable coach that is younger than Bono or a head coach in waiting. Here's a look at last year's team finishes.

PSU- Cael, Casey, Cody
tOSU- Ryan, Jaggers, Tervel
OKST- Smith, Esposito, Perry
Iowa- Brands, Brands, M*, Perry
Missouri- Smith, Clemson
VT- Robie, Frayer, Molinaro
MN- Eggum, Becker, Schlatter, Sanders
Cornell- Koll, Hahn
Nebraska- Manning, Snyder
Michigan- Silver Fox, Bormet, Churella, Russell
Illinois- Heffernan,
Lehigh- Santoro,
Wisconsin- Davis,
ASU- Zeke, Pendleton
Virginia- Garland
16-SDSU

Then you have your programs looking to rise like Oklahoma-Rosselli, Iowa State- Dresser, Zadick, Rutgers-Goodale, pritzlaf, NCST- Pop, NC- Coleman , Pitt- Gavin, Purdue- Ersland, Todd etc

Do you leave for a Big Ten job like Michigan State, Maryland, Indiana, or Northwestern if they ever opened up? IDK.

I see pretty good stability with most of these schools that by the time a change would occur Bono could be rather long in the tooth or by then the next wave of current wrestlers and assistants could be passing Bono by as a prospect.

Not saying he doesn't leave, just pointing out it shouldn't be surprising if he does stay. Only 77 D1 coaching jobs and Bono has made a nice spot for himself in Brookings.

As Mark Cody can attest, it is not always greener on the other side.




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Sep 19 2017, 09:33 AM
Maryland would have to care about wrestling for this scenario to even be realistic. Their last AD, now at NCST, was a huge advocate.

IMO Bono would leave for about 10-15 jobs. Places where it is conducive to winning a team national title. Unless one of those opportunities arises, Brookings is where he will stay.
I think that this is about right. Bono has a pretty good situation and there are probably only 10-15 jobs that he would leave for if he was looking to leave. Luckily 10-15 is pretty small number and we should be able to figure it out how likely his is to leave by looking at those schools and their coaching situations.

In no particular order, the schools that I believe he would likely leave for are as follows:

1. Penn State: Cael's not going anywhere.
2. Iowa: Brand has some years left in him and if he leaves they're going to look for a huge name.
3. Oklahoma State: Smith will be there a little longer and Espo is strong internal candidate, they'd go for an alumnus for this job.
4. Ohio State: I don't see Ryan leaving for a while
5. Minnesota: The AD is clearly high on Eggum, he's here to stay
6. Iowa State: Dresser is here to stay unless he does terribly
7. Michigan: Bormet is a strong internal candidate if Mcfarland leaves, but this is a possibility
8. Missouri: Smith has a lot of years left.
9. Arizona State: Zeke Jones has some time before he's gone
10. Nebraska: It would take Snyder leaving for Bono to get the job if it came open.
11. Illinois: I think Heffernan will be around for a little while yet
12. Rutgers: If they wanted an upgrade at head coach, they would probably go with Pritlaff
13. Virginia Tech: I think Robie is going to be there for a while but, if he doesn't do well, they will boot him and Bono would be a good choice
14. Wisconsin: Barry Davis could be leaving due to retirement or lack of performance in the next five years or so and this would be a chance for Bono
15. Oklahoma: Lou Rosselli is going to be there for a while

Other jobs that might get some consideration if they became available could include: Northwester, Indiana, Michigan State, Maryland, UNC, NC State, Oregon State, Cornell, Purdue, and Fresno State.

It looks like the only jobs that he could conceivably leave for in the next five years barring some unusual turn of events are Wisconsin and Michigan (maybe Indiana) but unforeseen turns of events happen all the time lately (Northwestern, Iowa State, Minnesota, and Oklahoma all in the past two years). Maybe I've argued myself out of my point here; while I do think he'll leave, I don't know that he has anywhere worth going for the next few years unless he goes the freestyle route.
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Maryland would have to care about wrestling for this scenario to even be realistic. Their last AD, now at NCST, was a huge advocate.

IMO Bono would leave for about 10-15 jobs. Places where it is conducive to winning a team national title. Unless one of those opportunities arises, Brookings is where he will stay.
I think that this is about right. Bono has a pretty good situation and there are probably only 10-15 jobs that he would leave for if he was looking to leave. Luckily 10-15 is pretty small number and we should be able to figure it out how likely his is to leave by looking at those schools and their coaching situations.

In no particular order, the schools that I believe he would likely leave for are as follows:

1. Penn State: Cael's not going anywhere.
2. Iowa: Brand has some years left in him and if he leaves they're going to look for a huge name.
3. Oklahoma State: Smith will be there a little longer and Espo is strong internal candidate, they'd go for an alumnus for this job.
4. Ohio State: I don't see Ryan leaving for a while
5. Minnesota: The AD is clearly high on Eggum, he's here to stay
6. Iowa State: Dresser is here to stay unless he does terribly
7. Michigan: Bormet is a strong internal candidate if Mcfarland leaves, but this is a possibility
8. Missouri: Smith has a lot of years left.
9. Arizona State: Zeke Jones has some time before he's gone
10. Nebraska: It would take Snyder leaving for Bono to get the job if it came open.
11. Illinois: I think Heffernan will be around for a little while yet
12. Rutgers: If they wanted an upgrade at head coach, they would probably go with Pritlaff
13. Virginia Tech: I think Robie is going to be there for a while but, if he doesn't do well, they will boot him and Bono would be a good choice
14. Wisconsin: Barry Davis could be leaving due to retirement or lack of performance in the next five years or so and this would be a chance for Bono
15. Oklahoma: Lou Rosselli is going to be there for a while

Other jobs that might get some consideration if they became available could include: Northwester, Indiana, Michigan State, Maryland, UNC, NC State, Oregon State, Cornell, Purdue, and Fresno State.

It looks like the only jobs that he could conceivably leave for in the next five years barring some unusual turn of events are Wisconsin and Michigan (maybe Indiana) but unforeseen turns of events happen all the time lately (Northwestern, Iowa State, Minnesota, and Oklahoma all in the past two years). Maybe I've argued myself out of my point here; while I do think he'll leave, I don't know that he has anywhere worth going for the next few years unless he goes the freestyle route.
History has already been made at most of the schools you listed, I think Bono is going to stay for a long time and make his own history at South Dakota State. Get Jacked!
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Maryland??? I could definitely see and McCoy getting the boot but you won't see Bono going to Maryland.

Bono has put his blood sweat and tears into this program over the last several years. From the little I know of him, he's not going to jump ship and dismiss all the hard work he has put in and where he has the team right now.

People have said that he has a tough time recruiting with Iowa Iowa State in Minnesota nearby. That's going to get better at Maryland…….Penn state, Rutgers, Cornell, Penn.........amongst others.

Bono isn't going anywhere........ onto the next topic of discussion !

"Put his blood, sweat, and tears into this program"

Do you really think that SDSU is the final destination for Bono? Do you think that's his end goal? I love South Dakota, but there are going to be very few (close to zero) coaches who have a good amount of success at SDSU and say, "nah, I'm good, I'm just going to stay here." That's almost never going to happen, and that's ok. That's the type of program that SDSU is in all sports. When you're an up and coming D1 school your coaches are going to get poached, it's the nature of the beast. If your coaches aren't getting poached then you're probably doing something wrong. Obviously there will be the one rare person every once in a great while who is either from SD or just falls in love with the community and decides that's where they want to be forever, but I don't think that's Bono, and I don't blame him at all.

Also, recruiting at Maryland wouldn't be that terrible. They're the only Division 1 wrestling program in the state (not counting Navy, but I think we can all agree they're a different beast). Being the lone Division 1 program in the state is a pretty big deal in terms of recruiting.
That's what I said....."Blood sweat and tears"!! You obviously haven't had much interaction with Bono personally. He isn't sitting in Brookings giving a half ass effort waiting for an elite program to "poach" him. Overeasy are much better!

He's the type that what ever he's working at or competing against.......he's all in. If you don't believe me just stop by and get know him. Drop in after a match or wherever and have the pleasure of getting to know him. Hell give you the time.

Now, would he consider other offers??? I don't know. There's no guarantees he will be here in 2,5 or ten years but I feel he likes it at Brookings and the community support.

Recruiting won't be "terrible" in Maryland????? Well it sure as hell ain't going to be easy ! Look at a map and put a pin by every D1 school by and tell me where the highest concentration is.
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Sep 19 2017, 04:57 PM
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Maryland??? I could definitely see and McCoy getting the boot but you won't see Bono going to Maryland.

Bono has put his blood sweat and tears into this program over the last several years. From the little I know of him, he's not going to jump ship and dismiss all the hard work he has put in and where he has the team right now.

People have said that he has a tough time recruiting with Iowa Iowa State in Minnesota nearby. That's going to get better at Maryland…….Penn state, Rutgers, Cornell, Penn.........amongst others.

Bono isn't going anywhere........ onto the next topic of discussion !

"Put his blood, sweat, and tears into this program"

Do you really think that SDSU is the final destination for Bono? Do you think that's his end goal? I love South Dakota, but there are going to be very few (close to zero) coaches who have a good amount of success at SDSU and say, "nah, I'm good, I'm just going to stay here." That's almost never going to happen, and that's ok. That's the type of program that SDSU is in all sports. When you're an up and coming D1 school your coaches are going to get poached, it's the nature of the beast. If your coaches aren't getting poached then you're probably doing something wrong. Obviously there will be the one rare person every once in a great while who is either from SD or just falls in love with the community and decides that's where they want to be forever, but I don't think that's Bono, and I don't blame him at all.

Also, recruiting at Maryland wouldn't be that terrible. They're the only Division 1 wrestling program in the state (not counting Navy, but I think we can all agree they're a different beast). Being the lone Division 1 program in the state is a pretty big deal in terms of recruiting.
That's what I said....."Blood sweat and tears"!! You obviously haven't had much interaction with Bono personally. He isn't sitting in Brookings giving a half ass effort waiting for an elite program to "poach" him. Overeasy are much better!

He's the type that what ever he's working at or competing against.......he's all in. If you don't believe me just stop by and get know him. Drop in after a match or wherever and have the pleasure of getting to know him. Hell give you the time.

Now, would he consider other offers??? I don't know. There's no guarantees he will be here in 2,5 or ten years but I feel he likes it at Brookings and the community support.

Recruiting won't be "terrible" in Maryland????? Well it sure as hell ain't going to be easy ! Look at a map and put a pin by every D1 school by and tell me where the highest concentration is.
I think you completely missed my point on Bono. I think he's a great coach and what he's done is remarkable. My comment about the "blood, sweat, and tears" was more making a statement that those aren't going to necessarily keep him there, and in some instances would be the reason behind him leaving. Part of the reason coaches put all that time in is to better their position. Do I think he's all in? Absolutely I do, but from seeing enough coaching changes in sports I know that a coach can go from being all in with one program, to all in with another in a hurry. I have interacted with Bono. I have watched wrestling with Bono. He's a great coach and what he's done for SDSU can't be overstated. I don't want you to think that my post was even remotely negative about Bono. In fact, it was quite the opposite. I was defending him if he decided he wanted to leave. He's taken SDSU a long way in the short time he's been there, so if he were to decide to go take a Big Ten coaching job if it comes open then by all means he should take it. He deserves it.


EDIT: Looking back at my original post I think you missed my point, but I also don't know that it was that well articulated, so I apologize if you thought I was questioning Bono's dedication.
Edited by Get after it, Sep 20 2017, 07:34 AM.
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No biggie! I'm trying to look through the eyes of that coaching staff. Let's just say they are planning on staying for the foreseeable future for a second. Future/current commits obviously read the forums and I'm sure they look at it as "will they be there for my 5 yrs there or will I have a coaching carousel?" All the talk of coaches leaving can't help that aspect. Most all coaches take care of their athletes, but none better then Bono!! The one thing I can say for sure about Bono is this. He truly cares about kids and their best interests under his watch!!!
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Roster is updated.

http://gojacks.com/mobile/roster.aspx?roster=243&path=wrestling

Looks like Colten Carlson going down to 149, should compete with Prieto for the spot.

165 should be interesting with Bye, Peterson, Klapprodt, Jordan and Zach Carlson competing for the spot.

I would guess that the true freshmen Molitor and Brown will compete with the Portillo twins for the 125 spot.
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Seth Gross has been selected to compete in the NWCA all star meet NOV 5th in Princeton, NJ.

http://www.nwcaonline.com/news-events/events/event-6/

SDSU Coach, Jon Reader will be making his comeback to international competition Nov 3 at the Dave Shultz Memorial in Colorado Springs, CO.

http://usawevents.sportngin.com/dsmi

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Roster is updated.

http://gojacks.com/mobile/roster.aspx?roster=243&path=wrestling

Looks like Colten Carlson going down to 149, should compete with Prieto for the spot.

165 should be interesting with Bye, Peterson, Klapprodt, Jordan and Zach Carlson competing for the spot.

I would guess that the true freshmen Molitor and Brown will compete with the Portillo twins for the 125 spot.
This should serve to strengthen the team quite a bit. I like Colten Carlson a lot and I have a feeling that he is going to have improved a lot since we last saw him; I think the edge goes to him in the position battle at 149 if he can hold the weight. I think it's good to see so much competition at 165, but I would be surprised to see someone other than Peterson win that spot.
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Flo lineup look for SDSU:

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/62500-south-dakota-state-pushing-for-three-all-americans#.WdwkbUFOmEc
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Oct 9 2017, 07:44 PM
There are so many question marks in the line-up. I can't wait to see how these guys stack up at the Dak.
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Surprised to see them consider not red shirting the incoming guys.
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Oct 9 2017, 10:38 PM
Surprised to see them consider not red shirting the incoming guys.
This is not abnormal for Bono:

Bubba Simms and David Kocer never redshirted. Ben Gillette and Brady Ayers redshirted later in their careers.

JJ Everard supposedly transferred because Bono wouldn't let him redshirt.
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Surprised to see them consider not red shirting the incoming guys.
This is not abnormal for Bono:

Bubba Simms and David Kocer never redshirted. Ben Gillette and Brady Ayers redshirted later in their careers.

JJ Everard supposedly transferred because Bono wouldn't let him redshirt.
I've always wondered if we lost Cefolo for the reason too. Perhaps we should stop being so hard-line on that.
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Looking forward to watching Seth Gross

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Congratulations to Kenny O’Neil on his decision to attend SDSU #getjacked
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Some take-aways from the Dakronics open:

125: Portillo looked sufficient, I think he'll more or less pick up where Gillette left off. Brown is very good on top and beat Portillo soundly. They could pull his redshirt but I'd rather they give him some time to learn and grow.

133: Seth Gross is now the undisputed number one 133 in the country. Molitor looked good despite his results and I expect him to do well in some later tournaments.

141: Pohlmeyer has made some improvements from last year but still isn't a world beater; Volk seems to have his number. I was very let down with how Andrade performed, he had a pretty bad day.

149: Carlson wrestled some pretty good wrestlers and held his own, but he didn't look like a reliable starter today. I've seen better things out of him and expect him to wrestle better in the future.

157: Zilverberg looked good but he didn't dominate like we know that he can.

165: It looks like we've found our 165 in Zac Carlson. He looked fantastic in every position and he showed good cardio and grit. Peterson looked good, and Bye looked better than he has in a while. Does anybody know what happened to Klapprodt?

174: Kocer met expectations but he ran into a very good wrestler in Labriola. I would expect him to do better now that he has a feel for him but that was a hard match to watch.

184: Mueller was a very effective towel tapper on mat five but may have been an even better wrestler if he wasn't seemingly suffering from an injury. Ayers did well until he hit Tayler Venz and he didn't really have an answer. Grove had some promising moments, but he has a ways to go yet.

197: Rotert did well in early matches but he was lucky to pull his last one out against Schultz who hit him with some really good re-attacks. Effort won the day, but he's good enough technically that he shouldn't have to grind those matches out.

285: Macki wrestled better than I've ever seen him wrestle today, sadly he got gator-baconed by Rose and just out-wrestled by Grayson. I expect an improved Alex Macki this year. Wolters look impoved. I wasn't particularly impressed with Vough, he doesn't know what to do when people get to his legs and he can't change levels but, to his credit, he does seem to win matches.
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http://www.flowrestling.org/article/63112-79kg-at-world-team-trials-just-got-interesting#.WgEAr2hMGEc

Reader dominates the field.

If you watch his finals match against Matt Brown, Nomads commentary is priceless after Reader wins by TF, “John Reader came here to get a light drill in”
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This Connor Brown kid you have at 125 is gunna be OK I gotta feeling.
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This Connor Brown kid you have at 125 is gunna be OK I gotta feeling.
He wrestled Lizak pretty tough.
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Anyone know why Rotert got DQed in the quarters?
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This Connor Brown kid you have at 125 is gunna be OK I gotta feeling.
He wrestled Lizak pretty tough.
Brown also wrestled Petry pretty tough today at the Bison, losing 8-6. (Petry has really improved overall and on his feet...now he could start for many good D1 teams). I looked at Brown's roster bio, a 4x MO HS champ.
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Sam Stuhl decommitted to SDSU today. This is unfortunate for the Jacks, wonder where he lands. Purdue? Seems like a Schopp type wrestler.
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Sam Stuhl decommitted to SDSU today. This is unfortunate for the Jacks, wonder where he lands.

Bison -
What does your inside source say about this?

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Does anyone know if there's a good way to follow SDSU vs. Arizona State today?
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Does anyone know if there's a good way to follow SDSU vs. Arizona State today?
Only dashboard on track
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I can't find the dashboard on Track. The Pac-12 network video can only be watched if you have the Pac-12 network as part of your cable package.
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I can't find the dashboard on Track. The Pac-12 network video can only be watched if you have the Pac-12 network as part of your cable package.
You can get there through our Events Calendar:
https://theguillotine.com/events-calendar/

Direct: http://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/seasons/LoadBalance.jsp?seasonId=571556009&gbId=3&pageName=TeamSchedule.jsp;teamId=6214034009
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I did a seven day trial on fobotv, watched the dual on Pac12 Network, then cancelled the trial before the subscription kicked in. :)
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