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| MNRodent | Jul 18 2017, 01:30 PM Post #31 |
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Patrick McKee with a fall in the finals! Congrats. |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 18 2017, 05:19 PM Post #32 |
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Minnesota Junior Freestyle All-Americans 120 Patrick Mckee - 1st Place 132 Brent Jones - 3rd Place 138 Jakob Bergeland - 4th Place 145 Alexander Lloyd - 4th Place 152 Peyton Robb - 3rd Place 152 Tyler Eischens - 8th Place 160 Jake Allar - 6th Place |
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| litewait | Jul 18 2017, 11:03 PM Post #33 |
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HOw did Team MN place in the tournament? |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 19 2017, 08:06 AM Post #34 |
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Cadet Freestyle 1 Illinois 84 2 Ohio 51 3 Pennsylvania 49 4 Minnesota 41 5 Iowa 31 6 California 28 6 Missouri 28 8 New Jersey 26 9 Michigan 25 10 Wisconsin 21 Junior Freestyle 1 Illinois 82 2 Ohio 37 3 Iowa 36 4 Minnesota 34 5 Pennsylvania 32 6 Indiana 30 7 Michigan 26 8 New Jersey 25 9 California 21 9 Missouri 21 |
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| MNRodent | Jul 19 2017, 08:07 AM Post #35 |
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Cadet FS was 4th. Junior FS were tied for 3rd after 160 finals, but they didn't have anyone else going in the upper weights, so guessing they dropped to 4th or 5th. edit: see above :D Edited by MNRodent, Jul 19 2017, 08:08 AM.
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| KnightFever | Jul 20 2017, 08:13 AM Post #36 |
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First I will say that It was in Jake's hands to re-win the match and he didn't. He was upset because they (the refs) got it wrong. Everybody was surprised by the reversal. They took his headlock points completely away and awarded Dow 2pts for a correct throw and Jake 1pt for coming up on top. The video camera was from the other side and poor but you can still see that Jake threw the headlock and landed on top. The head ref was at a loss because it was a bad call but the rules say you can't protest a challenge. DUMB! Jake injured his shoulder in one of the throws after the match was restarted and that is why he lost the next match and didn't wrestle the 5th place match. He has beaten Carr in simulation matches in a Nebraska elite freestyle camp and was looking forward to that match. I am a big advocate of Freestyle and Greco, but the rules are too subjective and seem to always get worse. In my discussion with the head Referee John. I was told that we needed to know the rules as well as the referees. I said okay how many single leg finishes do you know? He and the other assistant head ref laughed and said we leave that up to the coaches. I pointed out that refereeing and video review depends upon a referee to know what maneuvers they are seeing so they can make a proper judgement call. They don't know what they are seeing to score it properly! We saw many bad calls and inconsistent calls. Especially in the quarter and semifinal matches These same refs are getting up in age and asked to do more. That isn't right! I am not saying that all refs don't know what they are seeing but when you ref for 10 hours a day and your age is somewhere from 50-70, I can see more mistakes being made. Many of the refs were grey haired when we saw them at kids nationals 10 years ago. I am getting older myself turning 50 and not against age. USA wrestling is asking them to do more with less. I don't see many younger guys refereeing. I have made suggestions in the past about increasing the compensation to refs and change the way they get their rankings to help entice college guys who don't wrestle in the summer to ref. It seems to fall on def ears...If you don't go to Fargo i will tell you it appears USA wrestling is doing a great job in getting sponsorship. They have i am guessing 15 major sponsors now. Yet I don't see one of the biggest issues in my opinion being addressed. New referees coming in. Girls wrestling is growing exponentially. with numbers going up I hope this gets addressed. Cheers, Larry Allar |
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| Karenj1225 | Jul 20 2017, 12:43 PM Post #37 |
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Unless you are retired or a teacher, most people can't take off 9 days to ref in Fargo, or use precious and scarce PTO. It is a voluntary job too...I know many would be refs that can't afford to take time off. |
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| Iowan@heart | Jul 20 2017, 01:36 PM Post #38 |
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As a MN/USA official for over 30 years, I would agree with Larry's comments. I'd also add that a lot of the officiating beyond the local level gets very political and at times petty. I've done a number of national tournaments over the last few years and I'm always amazed at how pompous and self-righteous many of the "top" officials are. Because of that, the highest ranking official on a mat can bully the others into agreeing with his opinion. I will say though that Minnesota guys are the exception (and I mean that seriously). For such a critical part of the sport, I've always been baffled by the fact that officials are expected to take vacation from their day job and time away from their family to volunteer at an event where you work exceptionally long hours under constant scrutiny (from fans, coaches, and the head officials). On the flip side, I think reffing freestyle and greco on the local level in Minnesota can be very rewarding. The knowledgeable coaches and parents are appreciative and spending a Saturday on the mat isn't a huge sacrifice. Edited by Iowan@heart, Jul 20 2017, 01:37 PM.
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| true future | Jul 20 2017, 02:33 PM Post #39 |
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Someone help me out with the rules if it ends in a tie and no one scored a bigger move than the other is it last score wins? |
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| larson311 | Jul 20 2017, 03:06 PM Post #40 |
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If it's 2-2 and only 2's are scored then it's least amount of cautions. If cautions are the same then it's last point scored. |
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| pitbull413 | Jul 20 2017, 09:25 PM Post #41 |
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Anyone know why Allar didn't compete in greco? I know he is greco stud so it struck me as odd. Hopefully not injury related |
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| 3girlsanddad | Jul 21 2017, 06:42 AM Post #42 |
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Read above post from Dad. |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 21 2017, 10:35 AM Post #43 |
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Minnesota Cadet Greco-Roman All-Americans Today at 12:30 pm 94 Chase Murphy - 7th Place Match 100 Cael Swensen - 7th Place Match 100 Kanin Hable - 7th Place Match 100 Landen Parent - 5th Place Match 100 Paxton Creese - 3rd Place Match 132 Carson Manville - Finals 138 Colby Njos - Finals 160 Dalton Andrist - Finals 182 Grant Parrish - Finals 285 Nicholas Pierce - 3rd Place Match |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 21 2017, 10:36 AM Post #44 |
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Minnesota Junior Greco-Roman All-Americans Today at 7:00 pm Semifinals: 160 Kenny O'Neil 152 Peyton Robb 120 Patrick McKee Consolation Quarterfinals: 220 Saylor Schmit 138 Sam Webster 152 Tyler Eischens 132 Rylee Molitor 120 Cole Jones |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 21 2017, 10:38 AM Post #45 |
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Minnesota Women's Junior Freestyle All-Americans Today at 4:00 pm 100 Emily Shilson - Finals |
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| MNRodent | Jul 21 2017, 11:29 AM Post #46 |
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Emily Shilson doing so great at 94 cadet and 100 junior, makes her high school season up at 106 even more impressive. |
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| gopherfan149 | Jul 21 2017, 11:32 AM Post #47 |
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Make it a paid job. |
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| Karenj1225 | Jul 21 2017, 11:36 AM Post #48 |
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I think Emily Shilson is going on her 2nd year of dominating at both Cadet and JR levels! I think she may be the best female to ever come out of MN, I can't wait to see her at the Olympics! |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 21 2017, 02:05 PM Post #49 |
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Minnesota Cadet Greco-Roman All-Americans: 94 Chase Murphy - 8th Place 100 Cael Swensen - 7th Place 100 Kanin Hable - 8th Place 100 Landen Parent - 5th Place 100 Paxton Creese - 3rd Place 132 Carson Manville - 1st Place 138 Colby Njos - 2nd Place 160 Dalton Andrist - 2nd Place 182 Grant Parrish - 2nd Place 285 Nicholas Pierce - 4th Place |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 21 2017, 03:15 PM Post #50 |
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Minnesota Women's Junior Freestyle All-Americans: 100 Emily Shilson - 1st Place Shilson had a tough Illinois opponent in the finals. Tied 6-6 in the second period, she threw a headlock for the pin. |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 21 2017, 08:06 PM Post #51 |
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Minnesota Junior Greco-Roman All-Americans Medal Matches are Saturday at 10:00 am 120 Cole Jones - 7th Place Match 120 Patrick McKee - 3rd Place Match 132 Rylee Molitor - 7th Place Match 138 Sam Webster - 7th Place Match 152 Peyton Robb - Finals 152 Tyler Eischens - 3rd Place Match 160 Kenny O'Neil - 3rd Place Match 220 Saylor Schmit - 5th Place Match |
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| guillotine1 | Jul 22 2017, 12:17 PM Post #52 |
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Minnesota Junior Greco-Roman All-Americans 120 Cole Jones - 8th Place 120 Patrick McKee - 4th Place 132 Rylee Molitor - 7th Place 138 Sam Webster - 7th Place 152 Peyton Robb - 1st Place 152 Tyler Eischens - 3rd Place 160 Kenny O'Neil - 4th Place 220 Saylor Schmit - 6th Place |
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