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Mn Usa Freco Kids State 2018; Back to Rochester
Topic Started: Aug 21 2017, 08:15 PM (22,879 Views)
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I’m not being insensitive, but- isn’t that their problem to solve ?

No club is immune to competition from other events, or other competition-

Also im going to guess that having to travel long distances to attend freestyle practices, is a result of lack of funding, as well ?

Starting elementary wrestling in November and running through the middle of may is an insane season and not in the best interest of the majority K-6 wrestlers.

Each club needs to cater to their individual needs. There are clubs that have maybe a dozen kids that will thrive off of that schedule but the majority of kids are just not that interested in competing in one sport for 6 months.

The best you can do is make your schedules beneficial to every kid involved. Splitting seasons and adding an early season or late season option for those interested may be beneficial to keeping your kids interested as they grow older.

I also believe quality mat time is more important than the quantity of mat time. You can get alot done in a short period of time.

On the other hand if the kids get burnt out and lose interest during a long season you may be doing more harm than good.
I'm a big fan of the split season concept, but haven't been involved directly with a program that has done it. Those that need a break can take one, and those that want to charge ahead can. Any club out there that has tried it and had it not work so well?
Unlike the metro, there isn't a huge incentive to start early up here in the northwest part of the state. There are a few early tournaments before the new year but not enough to feel like you are missing out or falling behind the competition.

There seems to be three options up here

1.Some clubs start early.
2 some start an early practice for returning wrestlers in late November/ early December and wait until January to roll out their official youth season.
3. A few clubs don't start until January or later

Our club has tried the early approach but we never had the depth of wrestlers that honestly want to wrestle that long. With a January start I have seen an uptick in participation late in the season and increased participation in freestyle from our wrestlers.


But like I mentioned before we don't have all the December tournaments that the metro area has.

There also isn't alot of freestyle up here, fortunately the larger communities have the option and are more than willing to open their doors for those who do not have the option at their home school.
Edited by mndak, May 15 2018, 08:25 PM.
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That is a solid observation, my question or thought is do you think that is do to the lack of private clubs in that area? within an hour of the hart of the twin cities, there are 5 or 6 private clubs that seem to attract the early season wrestlers.
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The all-time record for Northern Plains is this year...
Freestyle in the US is Booming and the regional numbers across the nation show the top kids are doing it in record numbers again.
2013 (Iowa)
33 Bant
48 Inter
79 Nov
104 SB
169 Cad
JR?
6 Girls
439 total entries at Northern Plains

2014 (North Dakota)
28 Ban
59 Inter
85 Nov
87 SB
158 Cad
? JR
8 Girls
425 total entries at Northern Plains

2015 (IL)
38 Ban
80 Inter
129 Nov
178 SB
185 Cad
108 JR (first time together at least on track)
2 Girls
746 total entries for Northern Plains

2016 (MN)
44 Ban
78 Inter
123 Nov
186 SB
230 Cad
170 JR
? Girls were not on track
825 total entries for Northern Plains

2017
32 Ban
76 Inter
116 Nov
164 SB
244 Cad
219 JR
30 Girls
881 total entries for Northern Plains

2018 (mn)
20 Ban
61 Inter
107 Nov
189 SB
276 Cad
210 JR
66 Girls (nice jump ladies)
929 entries for Northern Plains
For those who are keeping tabs that is a 116% growth in 5 years. The tournament grew 65% after moving the tournament location to MN and since it's been here the tournament has steadily grown each year by 6.5%.
You are definitely seeing new strategy's in each state on when and how wrestlers are getting qualified for Fargo. In 2017 Flo Wrestling claimed over 80% of all NCAA qualifiers competed in Fargo in there HS career.
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The all-time record for Northern Plains is this year...
Freestyle in the US is Booming and the regional numbers across the nation show the top kids are doing it in record numbers again.
2013 (Iowa)
33 Bant
48 Inter
79 Nov
104 SB
169 Cad
JR?
6 Girls
439 total entries at Northern Plains

2014 (North Dakota)
28 Ban
59 Inter
85 Nov
87 SB
158 Cad
? JR
8 Girls
425 total entries at Northern Plains

2015 (IL)
38 Ban
80 Inter
129 Nov
178 SB
185 Cad
108 JR (first time together at least on track)
2 Girls
746 total entries for Northern Plains

2016 (MN)
44 Ban
78 Inter
123 Nov
186 SB
230 Cad
170 JR
? Girls were not on track
825 total entries for Northern Plains

2017
32 Ban
76 Inter
116 Nov
164 SB
244 Cad
219 JR
30 Girls
881 total entries for Northern Plains

2018 (mn)
20 Ban
61 Inter
107 Nov
189 SB
276 Cad
210 JR
66 Girls (nice jump ladies)
929 entries for Northern Plains
For those who are keeping tabs that is a 116% growth in 5 years. The tournament grew 65% after moving the tournament location to MN and since it's been here the tournament has steadily grown each year by 6.5%.
You are definitely seeing new strategy's in each state on when and how wrestlers are getting qualified for Fargo. In 2017 Flo Wrestling claimed over 80% of all NCAA qualifiers competed in Fargo in there HS career.
So you are saying centralization of the NP tourney helped numbers? Novel concept!
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May 16 2018, 07:28 AM
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May 16 2018, 06:16 AM
The all-time record for Northern Plains is this year...
Freestyle in the US is Booming and the regional numbers across the nation show the top kids are doing it in record numbers again.
2013 (Iowa)
33 Bant
48 Inter
79 Nov
104 SB
169 Cad
JR?
6 Girls
439 total entries at Northern Plains

2014 (North Dakota)
28 Ban
59 Inter
85 Nov
87 SB
158 Cad
? JR
8 Girls
425 total entries at Northern Plains

2015 (IL)
38 Ban
80 Inter
129 Nov
178 SB
185 Cad
108 JR (first time together at least on track)
2 Girls
746 total entries for Northern Plains

2016 (MN)
44 Ban
78 Inter
123 Nov
186 SB
230 Cad
170 JR
? Girls were not on track
825 total entries for Northern Plains

2017
32 Ban
76 Inter
116 Nov
164 SB
244 Cad
219 JR
30 Girls
881 total entries for Northern Plains

2018 (mn)
20 Ban
61 Inter
107 Nov
189 SB
276 Cad
210 JR
66 Girls (nice jump ladies)
929 entries for Northern Plains
For those who are keeping tabs that is a 116% growth in 5 years. The tournament grew 65% after moving the tournament location to MN and since it's been here the tournament has steadily grown each year by 6.5%.
You are definitely seeing new strategy's in each state on when and how wrestlers are getting qualified for Fargo. In 2017 Flo Wrestling claimed over 80% of all NCAA qualifiers competed in Fargo in there HS career.
So you are saying centralization of the NP tourney helped numbers? Novel concept!
Braves- Have you done anything to be a part of the state freestyle tournament solution, or have you only complained? Did you help set up mats at Monticello? I assume you did because of the intense anger you still have after the site was moved this last year. What if I told you that your backhanded comments and sarcastic posts are actually doing more harm then good in regards to achieving the goal you think would be best for the mn/usa wrestling organization? Would that be a novel concept?
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May 16 2018, 08:07 AM
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May 16 2018, 07:28 AM
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May 16 2018, 06:16 AM
The all-time record for Northern Plains is this year...
Freestyle in the US is Booming and the regional numbers across the nation show the top kids are doing it in record numbers again.
2013 (Iowa)
33 Bant
48 Inter
79 Nov
104 SB
169 Cad
JR?
6 Girls
439 total entries at Northern Plains

2014 (North Dakota)
28 Ban
59 Inter
85 Nov
87 SB
158 Cad
? JR
8 Girls
425 total entries at Northern Plains

2015 (IL)
38 Ban
80 Inter
129 Nov
178 SB
185 Cad
108 JR (first time together at least on track)
2 Girls
746 total entries for Northern Plains

2016 (MN)
44 Ban
78 Inter
123 Nov
186 SB
230 Cad
170 JR
? Girls were not on track
825 total entries for Northern Plains

2017
32 Ban
76 Inter
116 Nov
164 SB
244 Cad
219 JR
30 Girls
881 total entries for Northern Plains

2018 (mn)
20 Ban
61 Inter
107 Nov
189 SB
276 Cad
210 JR
66 Girls (nice jump ladies)
929 entries for Northern Plains
For those who are keeping tabs that is a 116% growth in 5 years. The tournament grew 65% after moving the tournament location to MN and since it's been here the tournament has steadily grown each year by 6.5%.
You are definitely seeing new strategy's in each state on when and how wrestlers are getting qualified for Fargo. In 2017 Flo Wrestling claimed over 80% of all NCAA qualifiers competed in Fargo in there HS career.
So you are saying centralization of the NP tourney helped numbers? Novel concept!
Braves- Have you done anything to be a part of the state freestyle tournament solution, or have you only complained? Did you help set up mats at Monticello? I assume you did because of the intense anger you still have after the site was moved this last year. What if I told you that your backhanded comments and sarcastic posts are actually doing more harm then good in regards to achieving the goal you think would be best for the mn/usa wrestling organization? Would that be a novel concept?
I am always about solutions. However, on this issue over the years- Rochester sites for state- Their are so many apologists such as yourself that stick their heads in the sand and refuse to admit the issue is so huge two 4 year olds could figure it out.

State just had a 20% reduction in numbers in one year and you have people still refusing to admit the site is the #1 issue. I am just trying to keep everyone's eyes on the ball.

The apologists answers are always like yours. I assume their is so much help in Rochester that they have 4 refs per mat and 5 tableworkers and so many people putting mats down they run into eachother.

I want a solution- their has been some good discussion on this thread. The answer is quite simple and the solution quite easy.
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My take on the issue of MNUSA state as a parent, coach, and fan of wrestling.

1. The site needs to be more central, I believe that is obvious. However, it seems that when people say this nicely they are chastised or told to help or get on the board. I live 5-6 hours from the cities, have 5 kids, and work full time and coach full time. Easier said than done- are we only allowed an opinion if we can help?

2. We need to try and finish out the regular season folkstyle sooner. Our club has been pushing MNUSA Folkstyle state and it seemed to do wonders for our Freco Club- we had 20-30 kids a night and currently hav over 40 members with USA cards this year

3. Consider moving Freestyle/Greco state up one week and continue to have Juniors with the rest, I think this turned out to be a good move for families and everyone else for that matter. Get it off of Mother's Day and Fishing opener plus away from NP by one more week

4. Maybe consider making state matter more? Room for discussion here, but if it is not going to at all centralized then I would not be for this.

5. Increasing numbers should be the primary goal of all of us involved in USA wrestling. I feel up north we have seen tremendous gains the last 4 years and am proud of our Club. I would like to see increasing numbers on of the main goals at the state level as well
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MNDAK,
That is a solid observation, my question or thought is do you think that is do to the lack of private clubs in that area? within an hour of the hart of the twin cities, there are 5 or 6 private clubs that seem to attract the early season wrestlers.
The only private club is tech team in West Fargo. I also believe Concordia does something but I don't know the details of it.

I think it has more to do with geography. Unless you want to travel alot there aren't many early tournament options. And you have to remember we are traveling 40 to 60 miles+ for local tournaments during the peak of our season in February and March.
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The all-time record for Northern Plains is this year...
Freestyle in the US is Booming and the regional numbers across the nation show the top kids are doing it in record numbers again.
2013 (Iowa)
33 Bant
48 Inter
79 Nov
104 SB
169 Cad
JR?
6 Girls
439 total entries at Northern Plains

2014 (North Dakota)
28 Ban
59 Inter
85 Nov
87 SB
158 Cad
? JR
8 Girls
425 total entries at Northern Plains

2015 (IL)
38 Ban
80 Inter
129 Nov
178 SB
185 Cad
108 JR (first time together at least on track)
2 Girls
746 total entries for Northern Plains

2016 (MN)
44 Ban
78 Inter
123 Nov
186 SB
230 Cad
170 JR
? Girls were not on track
825 total entries for Northern Plains

2017
32 Ban
76 Inter
116 Nov
164 SB
244 Cad
219 JR
30 Girls
881 total entries for Northern Plains

2018 (mn)
20 Ban
61 Inter
107 Nov
189 SB
276 Cad
210 JR
66 Girls (nice jump ladies)
929 entries for Northern Plains
For those who are keeping tabs that is a 116% growth in 5 years. The tournament grew 65% after moving the tournament location to MN and since it's been here the tournament has steadily grown each year by 6.5%.
You are definitely seeing new strategy's in each state on when and how wrestlers are getting qualified for Fargo. In 2017 Flo Wrestling claimed over 80% of all NCAA qualifiers competed in Fargo in there HS career.
So you are saying centralization of the NP tourney helped numbers? Novel concept!
That's not what I was saying!!!
I said Freestyle is booming.
I also think elite kids don't like banging up there bodies two weeks in a row especially when the later tournament is more important, so a lot of them held off doing state. I am not saying a better location on a better weekend isn't an ideal scenario.
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My take on the issue of MNUSA state as a parent, coach, and fan of wrestling.

1. The site needs to be more central, I believe that is obvious. However, it seems that when people say this nicely they are chastised or told to help or get on the board. I live 5-6 hours from the cities, have 5 kids, and work full time and coach full time. Easier said than done- are we only allowed an opinion if we can help?

2. We need to try and finish out the regular season folkstyle sooner. Our club has been pushing MNUSA Folkstyle state and it seemed to do wonders for our Freco Club- we had 20-30 kids a night and currently hav over 40 members with USA cards this year

3. Consider moving Freestyle/Greco state up one week and continue to have Juniors with the rest, I think this turned out to be a good move for families and everyone else for that matter. Get it off of Mother's Day and Fishing opener plus away from NP by one more week

4. Maybe consider making state matter more? Room for discussion here, but if it is not going to at all centralized then I would not be for this.

5. Increasing numbers should be the primary goal of all of us involved in USA wrestling. I feel up north we have seen tremendous gains the last 4 years and am proud of our Club. I would like to see increasing numbers on of the main goals at the state level as well
These suggestions I can get behind. However, I honestly think that people are chastised because of their tone and assumptions toward the organization, and not so much that they are expected to get on a board or volunteer to help out more. In my opinion you have a right to your opinion, but when some people make their opinions seem like it such an easy decision and everyone is an "apologist" because they don't agree with a recommended change, that is boarderline arrogant, and yes, maybe they should sit in on a board meeting just to see how decision are arrived.

I will add my personal thoughts to your list, respectively:

1. Location for Freestyle and Greco state should change. I agree completely. However, the financial, logistical, and hospitality aspects have to line up as well. I wouldn't mind one bit to have this event in St. Cloud or even someplace in a suburb of the cities.

2. Finish regular season folkstyle sooner. Again, I agree completely. MN/USA state finishes their state tournament in early march. NYWA districts are just beginning though, so it is tough. Folkstyle nationals is the same weekend as NYWA state if I remember correctly. So, clubs will either run folkstyle training through state, forego folkstyle nationals and switch over to FS the section week of march to align themselves with your thought. Easy fix if you are a MN/USA club only. Much more difficult if you are involved with NYWA.

3. Move FS/GR State up. I agree again. I actually had a conversation about this topic last weekend, and the individual I spoke to made it sound like the board had already discussed this topic. Back to back weekends is not a good deal. Mothers day, fishing opener only add to decreased numbers and quality of competition.

4. Making state matter more... Not sure I understand, but I have my own thoughts on this. NYWA State, Folkstyle state, gopher state, hawkeye nationals, buffalo nationals, badgerland nationals, FS/GR State, Folkstyle nationals..... Which one is the important one again? This has to be confusing for youth wrestlers. Furthermore, it is absolutely impossible to train and peak for all of these events. I do not have a solution, because none of these are going away. When I get asked, I recommend to put a calendar together and identify the tournament, or tournaments (2-3 max) that you are going to consider THE state tournament or the most important and put the emphasis on.

5. Increasing numbers and keeping wrestling alive is always the goal.
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May 16 2018, 09:38 AM
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May 16 2018, 08:51 AM
My take on the issue of MNUSA state as a parent, coach, and fan of wrestling.

1. The site needs to be more central, I believe that is obvious. However, it seems that when people say this nicely they are chastised or told to help or get on the board. I live 5-6 hours from the cities, have 5 kids, and work full time and coach full time. Easier said than done- are we only allowed an opinion if we can help?

2. We need to try and finish out the regular season folkstyle sooner. Our club has been pushing MNUSA Folkstyle state and it seemed to do wonders for our Freco Club- we had 20-30 kids a night and currently hav over 40 members with USA cards this year

3. Consider moving Freestyle/Greco state up one week and continue to have Juniors with the rest, I think this turned out to be a good move for families and everyone else for that matter. Get it off of Mother's Day and Fishing opener plus away from NP by one more week

4. Maybe consider making state matter more? Room for discussion here, but if it is not going to at all centralized then I would not be for this.

5. Increasing numbers should be the primary goal of all of us involved in USA wrestling. I feel up north we have seen tremendous gains the last 4 years and am proud of our Club. I would like to see increasing numbers on of the main goals at the state level as well
These suggestions I can get behind. However, I honestly think that people are chastised because of their tone and assumptions toward the organization, and not so much that they are expected to get on a board or volunteer to help out more. In my opinion you have a right to your opinion, but when some people make their opinions seem like it such an easy decision and everyone is an "apologist" because they don't agree with a recommended change, that is boarderline arrogant, and yes, maybe they should sit in on a board meeting just to see how decision are arrived.

I will add my personal thoughts to your list, respectively:

1. Location for Freestyle and Greco state should change. I agree completely. However, the financial, logistical, and hospitality aspects have to line up as well. I wouldn't mind one bit to have this event in St. Cloud or even someplace in a suburb of the cities.

2. Finish regular season folkstyle sooner. Again, I agree completely. MN/USA state finishes their state tournament in early march. NYWA districts are just beginning though, so it is tough. Folkstyle nationals is the same weekend as NYWA state if I remember correctly. So, clubs will either run folkstyle training through state, forego folkstyle nationals and switch over to FS the section week of march to align themselves with your thought. Easy fix if you are a MN/USA club only. Much more difficult if you are involved with NYWA.

3. Move FS/GR State up. I agree again. I actually had a conversation about this topic last weekend, and the individual I spoke to made it sound like the board had already discussed this topic. Back to back weekends is not a good deal. Mothers day, fishing opener only add to decreased numbers and quality of competition.

4. Making state matter more... Not sure I understand, but I have my own thoughts on this. NYWA State, Folkstyle state, gopher state, hawkeye nationals, buffalo nationals, badgerland nationals, FS/GR State, Folkstyle nationals..... Which one is the important one again? This has to be confusing for youth wrestlers. Furthermore, it is absolutely impossible to train and peak for all of these events. I do not have a solution, because none of these are going away. When I get asked, I recommend to put a calendar together and identify the tournament, or tournaments (2-3 max) that you are going to consider THE state tournament or the most important and put the emphasis on.

5. Increasing numbers and keeping wrestling alive is always the goal.
kgeiser,
You are spot on... I was complaining about some of the topic's you listed and still feel there are better options, however, since I started helping at MNUSA I have a better understanding of things being more difficult than just a quick fix. They are investigating options and it's hard to line up dates and times they need. Financials are the smallest issue that seems's to be coming up, many venues don't want to host the event.
And what does central really mean? central to the state or central to a majority of the member base?
How do they pick dates when they have to work with USA wrestling dates?
Many of the best venues for seating don't have the mat space, many of the best venues for mats space don't have the seating they need.
Where can they find affordable hotels for the members and don't forget they need a crapload of hotels for workers and referees.
Some of the older stadiums don't have the required internet needed.
The U of M has a field house that could potentially work but it has big parking issues.
Many of the universities have graduations on the same weeks they would need the facility's so they are out.
There are legitimate options out there (including Rochester) but it's not as simple as just a booking a new spot and the best options are 2 years out on booking dates.
On a personal note, if you move the tournament to a new city, the city and the venue need to be more then just convenient they need to be a draw to help build the event.
I also think kgeiser is spot on with it needing to feel like a special event.

Edited by getyourpoints, May 16 2018, 11:25 AM.
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Not speaking for everyone, but I think most northern folks would agree center of the state is not ideal. Something more to the center of the population would make sense. The median center population in MN is right between Rogers and Albertville according to the 2010 census. Anything north of that would be a bonus :) https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=45.20378252870361%2C-93.57119999999998&spn=0.015512%2C0.038581&msa=0&mid=1phkCRpkrGVbPYMYPUSxptUI2RZE&z=15
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First, we need to focus on what this discussion was about in the beginning and that is the location for state freestyle/greco. This is not a new subject, in fact it has been going on for as long as Rochester has been hosting state events. Mn/usa did the right thing when this tournament was moved to Monticello. Every venue has some problems, the fact is Minnesota does not have a perfect venue. There is no FargoDome and Us Bank is just too costly. Creativity is what is needed to make a central location work. When the tournament was in Monticello, there was not weeks and weeks of comments on this forum complaining about the venue. In fact, the comments were very positive and the only complaint I heard was that there were not comp. rooms available to the organizers. There are some cities just that should not be in the equation because of geography and Rochester is one of them. I would also include Mankato, Duluth, Moorhead, Winona, Thief River, and Bemidji. The difference this time around is the membership has a taste of a more central location and the Board was not listening and got caught in a very bad decision. Whatever the board thought was wrong with Monticello, fix it and the numbers will go back up. Gopher State has had a good relationship with Monti for years, rarely ever hear anything negative about that tournament. Most people say it is one of their favorites. I have heard all the things that are wrong with certain venues, nothing that can't be overcome.
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Was anyone able to do a breakdown of the final Northern Plains numbers?

It looks like they had a great turnout.

It was a great idea for USA wrestling to have the WTT at the same location. I also believe it could be beneficial to have the final X matches run with the remaining regional tournaments, but that's a separate topic of discussion.
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I agree as well. I have been critical of mn/usa for having state events in Rochester but, having Northern Plains in Rochester is a real bonus for Mn. kids. And adding the WTT was just frosting on the cake for all that attended. Hats off to the organizers of this event, job well done!!
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Comparison of travel distance and number of participants between MN/USA and Wisconsin/USA, states are very close in population. Wisconsin does not offer Freestyle or Greco for PeeWee and Bantam age groups.

Population Center in Minnesota is approx. Rogers which is 111 miles from Rochester.
Geographic Center of Mn. is approx. Brainerd which is 217 miles from Rochester.

Population Center in Wisconsin is approx. Markeson which is 50 miles from W. Dells.
Geographic Center in Wisconsin is approx. Pittsville which is 69 miles from W. Dells.

Participation numbers exclude PeeWee and Bantam since Wisconsin does not offer those divisions (perhaps not such a bad idea). 2018 state events results from trackwrestling.

Minnesota:

Intermediate-66
Novice-88
Schoolboy-104
Cadet-114
Junior-117
Girls-34
TOTAL=523

Wisconsin:

Intermediate-102
Novice-144
Schoolboy-206
Cadet-270
Junior-214
Girls-67
TOTAL=1,103

Yes, Wisconsin does not have a NYWA and perhaps have not been as successful at national events but, this is very sad. St. Cloud is a good compromise between the geographic center and the population center in Minnesota. Monti is better than Rochester as well.
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Comparison of travel distance and number of participants between MN/USA and Wisconsin/USA, states are very close in population. Wisconsin does not offer Freestyle or Greco for PeeWee and Bantam age groups.

Population Center in Minnesota is approx. Rogers which is 111 miles from Rochester.
Geographic Center of Mn. is approx. Brainerd which is 217 miles from Rochester.

Population Center in Wisconsin is approx. Markeson which is 50 miles from W. Dells.
Geographic Center in Wisconsin is approx. Pittsville which is 69 miles from W. Dells.

Participation numbers exclude PeeWee and Bantam since Wisconsin does not offer those divisions (perhaps not such a bad idea). 2018 state events results from trackwrestling.

Minnesota:

Intermediate-66
Novice-88
Schoolboy-104
Cadet-114
Junior-117
Girls-34
TOTAL=523

Wisconsin:

Intermediate-102
Novice-144
Schoolboy-206
Cadet-270
Junior-214
Girls-67
TOTAL=1,103

Yes, Wisconsin does not have a NYWA and perhaps have not been as successful at national events but, this is very sad. St. Cloud is a good compromise between the geographic center and the population center in Minnesota. Monti is better than Rochester as well.
Wisconsin hosted the Northern plains event consistently in the late 90's/early 2000s

It is also easier to sell a wrestling trip to the water park capital vs Rochester. Rochester is a very nice city but it isn't exactly a tourist destination.
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First, we need to focus on what this discussion was about in the beginning and that is the location for state freestyle/greco. This is not a new subject, in fact it has been going on for as long as Rochester has been hosting state events. Mn/usa did the right thing when this tournament was moved to Monticello. Every venue has some problems, the fact is Minnesota does not have a perfect venue. There is no FargoDome and Us Bank is just too costly. Creativity is what is needed to make a central location work. When the tournament was in Monticello, there was not weeks and weeks of comments on this forum complaining about the venue. In fact, the comments were very positive and the only complaint I heard was that there were not comp. rooms available to the organizers. There are some cities just that should not be in the equation because of geography and Rochester is one of them. I would also include Mankato, Duluth, Moorhead, Winona, Thief River, and Bemidji. The difference this time around is the membership has a taste of a more central location and the Board was not listening and got caught in a very bad decision. Whatever the board thought was wrong with Monticello, fix it and the numbers will go back up. Gopher State has had a good relationship with Monti for years, rarely ever hear anything negative about that tournament. Most people say it is one of their favorites. I have heard all the things that are wrong with certain venues, nothing that can't be overcome.
You do realize that it was in Montecello before it moved to Rochester 20 years ago. Right?
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From "One-on-One with Hayden Zillmer" in the current printed issue of the Guillotine: You won the World Team Trials in Rochester to make the FInal X. How much did it help to have the event in your home state?

Zillmer: It was great ... I've been wrestling in Rochester since I've been in like the first grade.
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May 16 2018, 05:24 PM
First, we need to focus on what this discussion was about in the beginning and that is the location for state freestyle/greco. This is not a new subject, in fact it has been going on for as long as Rochester has been hosting state events. Mn/usa did the right thing when this tournament was moved to Monticello. Every venue has some problems, the fact is Minnesota does not have a perfect venue. There is no FargoDome and Us Bank is just too costly. Creativity is what is needed to make a central location work. When the tournament was in Monticello, there was not weeks and weeks of comments on this forum complaining about the venue. In fact, the comments were very positive and the only complaint I heard was that there were not comp. rooms available to the organizers. There are some cities just that should not be in the equation because of geography and Rochester is one of them. I would also include Mankato, Duluth, Moorhead, Winona, Thief River, and Bemidji. The difference this time around is the membership has a taste of a more central location and the Board was not listening and got caught in a very bad decision. Whatever the board thought was wrong with Monticello, fix it and the numbers will go back up. Gopher State has had a good relationship with Monti for years, rarely ever hear anything negative about that tournament. Most people say it is one of their favorites. I have heard all the things that are wrong with certain venues, nothing that can't be overcome.
You do realize that it was in Montecello before it moved to Rochester 20 years ago. Right?
Have no clue what point you are trying to make. Do you mean 20 years ago when numbers were perhaps better?
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May 16 2018, 05:24 PM
First, we need to focus on what this discussion was about in the beginning and that is the location for state freestyle/greco. This is not a new subject, in fact it has been going on for as long as Rochester has been hosting state events. Mn/usa did the right thing when this tournament was moved to Monticello. Every venue has some problems, the fact is Minnesota does not have a perfect venue. There is no FargoDome and Us Bank is just too costly. Creativity is what is needed to make a central location work. When the tournament was in Monticello, there was not weeks and weeks of comments on this forum complaining about the venue. In fact, the comments were very positive and the only complaint I heard was that there were not comp. rooms available to the organizers. There are some cities just that should not be in the equation because of geography and Rochester is one of them. I would also include Mankato, Duluth, Moorhead, Winona, Thief River, and Bemidji. The difference this time around is the membership has a taste of a more central location and the Board was not listening and got caught in a very bad decision. Whatever the board thought was wrong with Monticello, fix it and the numbers will go back up. Gopher State has had a good relationship with Monti for years, rarely ever hear anything negative about that tournament. Most people say it is one of their favorites. I have heard all the things that are wrong with certain venues, nothing that can't be overcome.
You do realize that it was in Montecello before it moved to Rochester 20 years ago. Right?
Have no clue what point you are trying to make. Do you mean 20 years ago when numbers were perhaps better?
"The difference this time around is the membership has a taste of a more central location and the Board was not listening and got caught in a very bad decision."

You said that like the tournament had never been anywhere else. It was in Montecello and the cities before and was moved for various (mainly financial) reasons.

I, personally, have always supported the idea of moving the tournament around the state to possibly generate interest in some lessor served areas. The key thing though, is that a lot of venues have been used int he past and they all have their own issues.
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You are putting words in my mouth, I never said the tournament had never been anywhere else. 20 years ago was 20 years ago and the bulk of that membership is long gone. Sure, there are still some of the same volunteers in place but, the membership consists of the wrestlers (and their families). Heck, 30 years ago the tournament was in St. Cloud, so what. Venue shortcomings can be a problem but, problems can be solved if the desire is there. Defaulting to Rochester is not in the best interests of the membership and the need to provide affordable tournaments to grow the membership and the sport.
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You are putting words in my mouth, I never said the tournament had never been anywhere else. 20 years ago was 20 years ago and the bulk of that membership is long gone. Sure, there are still some of the same volunteers in place but, the membership consists of the wrestlers (and their families). Heck, 30 years ago the tournament was in St. Cloud, so what. Venue shortcomings can be a problem but, problems can be solved if the desire is there. Defaulting to Rochester is not in the best interests of the membership and the need to provide affordable tournaments to grow the membership and the sport.
Very well put. Defaulting to Rochester is wrong. I usually enjoy Iowan's point of view, but everytime he passive aggressively supports Rochester while pretending not to. Where is the tournament next year? Our club would like to start planning...
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Interesting that Iowan states "mainly for financial reasons". Mn/usa CEO has stated both privately and publicly that financial concerns are "not a driving factor". Again, it has been asked several times by myself and others, how long of a contract was signed for Rochester this time around? Is Rochester the location for 2019 as well?
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Geez guys, I was just saying that every venue has issues and that many locations have been tried in the past and no place will be perfect for everyone. I don't have any kids in youth wrestling anymore and have no reason to care where the tournament is held (other than I'd personally like to see it rotate around the state) to draw more kids into the sport.
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Jun 19 2018, 08:52 AM
Interesting that Iowan states "mainly for financial reasons". Mn/usa CEO has stated both privately and publicly that financial concerns are "not a driving factor". Again, it has been asked several times by myself and others, how long of a contract was signed for Rochester this time around? Is Rochester the location for 2019 as well?
There were financial issues at the time -- sounds like that's not a problem now.

Your second part of your post is a very valid question. I think the membership should demand to know where upcoming tournaments will be held (or if it's still open for debate).
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Last year (June 27th 2017) is the date they voted on moving the Freestyle/Greco site from Monticello to Rochester. They haven't posted meeting minutes since January 2018 so I'm not sure when we will know. Probably need to reach out and contact them soon. Presenting them the huge drop in numbers from last year to this year would be a good starting point.
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