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| Mn Usa Freco Kids State 2018; Back to Rochester | |
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| Iowan@heart | Aug 26 2017, 06:51 AM Post #31 |
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I really don't understand why people keep referring to these volunteers as greedy and self-serving. Really? You think this group of people don't care about wrestling? They are trying to do the best they can for the sport and if you guys really cared about this topic, you'd address it with the board instead of whining about it here on the G. All the board members are listed on the MN USA website along with their contact information. I can guarantee you that no one on that board is getting rich from this event and that most of them would rather have a free weekend with their family versus a free room in Rochester and 12-hour work days. An no, USA wrestling is not going to send out a survey every time it needs to make a decision. You need to contact them if you want to express your opinion. And yes, USA Wrestling does try to make some money as an organization on their events to cover operational expenses. I can tell you that it's very tough to make money with a commuter tournament (where few people stay overnight). |
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| gopherfan149 | Aug 26 2017, 12:07 PM Post #32 |
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Why do they need to stay the night in order for the tournament to make money? That's insane. 99 percent of all tournaments are commuter tournaments. I'm pretty sure they make money too. |
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| Turd Bag | Aug 26 2017, 05:20 PM Post #33 |
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Maybe I will address it with the Board. Doesn't mean I can't complain about it here. Never called anyone greedy. Never called anyone self-serving. Never said they weren't doing what maybe they thought was best for wrestling. In fact, I acknowledged that they likely may think this is best. Reasonable minds can differ. |
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| Iowan@heart | Aug 27 2017, 09:09 AM Post #34 |
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I was responding to the two lines quoted above (not yours T-bag). Edited by Iowan@heart, Aug 27 2017, 09:11 AM.
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| kgeiser | Aug 28 2017, 03:38 PM Post #35 |
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I will kick this dead horse one more time. INSANE that MNUSA even considers Rochester for a site. I read all the board minutes and all I can come up with on why the tourney was moved back: internet wasn't good enough and the increase in participation was not enough. We had wrestlers go to MNUSA kids state the past 3 years. We loved Monticello. The Civic will be a poor venue, it will be in two gyms. Parking is terrible. This is a terrible move on MNUSA's part. I have sent emails, attended meetings, and voiced my concerns for years, this will not be good for the sport. End of story. Sad deal. Also, this got voted on in June but no news until August. |
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| kgeiser | Aug 28 2017, 03:40 PM Post #36 |
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I want to see the bids from Rochester and Monticello- it didn't seem like it took much to go back to Rochester but it was moving mountains to ever move out of there. Show the bids... |
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| Northwest | Aug 29 2017, 05:48 PM Post #37 |
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| Northwest | Aug 29 2017, 06:01 PM Post #38 |
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Nobody has suggested that volunteers are greedy and self-serving. Nobody has suggested this group does not care about wrestling or that anyone is getting rich. Nobody is suggesting that ALL decisions should be connected to a survey, however, what is wrong with a survey regarding venue locations? You are putting words in peoples mouths to make them look bad and it is not very classy on your part. Are you suggesting that MN/USA did not cover their operational expenses in Monticello? In order for wrestling to grow, events should be affordable for young families. Remember, you are representing people and athletes from the ENTIRE state. Sadly, when you look at the MN/USA website, the first four positions listed are people from or very near Rochester and two of these individuals have a spouse on the competition council. An old friend of mine told me years ago that no matter how honorable one is, just the appearance can be worse than the inability to be impartial. Individuals have complained about this for years, apathy has set in for many people and that is not good for the sport or the organization. |
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| Iowan@heart | Aug 30 2017, 07:57 AM Post #39 |
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Your response implies that there is the intent by the MN-USA Wrestling board members to place the tournament in Rochester against the best interest of the entire membership. Right? Am I misrepresenting that? Regarding the home locations of the board members, none of them are from Rochester. Owatonna Mankato, and Cannon Falls are as close or closer to the cities as they are to Rochester. I think it's important to at least have your facts right if you're promoting a conspiracy. More importantly I don't think it makes any difference where the board members live. The people in the list that I know personally have dedicated 100s if not 1000s of volunteer hours to the sport. However, I do think that it would be nice if the board issued a statement regarding why the tournament was moved back to Rochester. kgeiser seems to have done all the right things to try to get his/her opinion heard. I don't think a survey would hurt - just not sure how it would be conducted. |
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| gopherfan149 | Aug 30 2017, 09:55 AM Post #40 |
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regarding facts on conspiracy. Yours are wrongs as it pertains to the subject. Shorter Drive is bold, per mapquest. Owatanna to Monticello 1 hr 37 min Owatanna to Rochester 46 min Mankato to Rochester 1 hr 26 min Mankato to Monticello 1 hr 46 min Cannon Falls to Rochester 45 min Cannon Falls to Monticello 1 hour 20 min |
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| 3MTA3 | Aug 30 2017, 10:18 AM Post #41 |
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This could be the weakest attempt at proving something that's not even an issue. Look if you dont like the venue location, quit crying and stay home. |
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| DOUG | Aug 30 2017, 10:49 AM Post #42 |
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What if we all say that we are going to skip the Stat tournament due to location then maybe it will work for them to change it. Is that really what we want to do I don't think so. I feel the best approach is to email the board members let them know you are not favor with this decision and you hope in the future they would consider a more central location. I asked everyone of the parents who wrestle Freestyle and Greco to politely email Board members and ask them to reconsider in the future maybe if everyone who is unhappy does this they will make the necessary change. As a individual who has been on plenty of boards once a decision was made and if we did not receive feed back we consider it a right decision. Just my two cents but please consider emailing board members if you would like to see a change. |
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| CropDuster | Aug 30 2017, 11:04 AM Post #43 |
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Are you all just as upset that the U-23 World Team Trials got put in Rochester October 6th-8th? That's not very centrally-located for the US. |
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| Iowan@heart | Aug 30 2017, 12:06 PM Post #44 |
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I was measuring to the twin cities - it was held in MPLS before it moved to Rochester in the 80s. Moreover, I've seen the board members you're alluding to all over the country at USA events. I don't think they care one way or another about a few minutes. Doug has it right. Start an e-mail campaign to let the board members know that you'd like to see it more centrally located or even indicated Monticello specifically. Personally, I always lobbied to have it held in the Metrodome. I've always liked the room available at domed football fields like the UNI-dome for preseason nationals and of course the FargoDome. |
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| Northwest | Aug 30 2017, 12:31 PM Post #45 |
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Really, what does the Twin Cities have to do with this discussion? It may have been held there at one time but, it was also held in St. Cloud as well. We are talking about Rochester vs. Monticello. By the way, Stewartville to Rochester is 12 miles and Stewartville to Monticello is 126 miles. Iowan, you did say in one of your posts that you were from Rochester and that you have been on the board. Does that mean you are no longer on the board? Perhaps I made an assumption you were still on the board. Familiarity and proximity with a location can often times cloud ones perspective. This was a bad decision for the membership and the membership's interest is what should be priority one. |
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| kgeiser | Aug 30 2017, 12:40 PM Post #46 |
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I am not implying they have intent to put it in Rochester, I am outright claiming they are. I have listened to the arguments for 4 years, and they are crazy. It is a no brainer. We had a head MNUSA wonder if St. Cloud had enough hotel rooms or parking. Look how quick it moved back. Rochester is where they want it. |
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| gopherfan149 | Aug 30 2017, 01:00 PM Post #47 |
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You picked the twin cities to fit your argument. Monticello and Rochester have been the towns discussed. 1980 was 37 years ago. |
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| kgeiser | Aug 30 2017, 01:02 PM Post #48 |
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From the board minutes: Old Business: Bill/Dale/Tom- have been working on moving Kids Freestyle and Greco State back in Rochester for 2018 at Civic auditorium downtown, interesting possibility for venue with better internet access than Monticello had. Motion to move Freestyle/Greco State Tournament back to Rochester for 2018. Tom made a motion to accept the motion. Dan seconded the motion. Discussion: 2 Venues, 6 mats at each (can do 8). B/P/I on one side, School boy and Cadet on the other. Jeff- Are we concerned about feedback about decentralizing tournament? Dale- we didn’t pick up the numbers we were hoping for up north. Champ- The bottom line is that we need to get the kids out there wrestling, but don’t split the age groups. Voting: All in favor none opposed. Motion carried. Looks like three high up board members worked to get it back to Rochester. Pretty intentional. |
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| Iowan@heart | Aug 30 2017, 01:53 PM Post #49 |
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Thanks for posting those notes from the minutes. It looks like Tom Kuisle made the motion to move it Rochester. I believe that he is from Fairmont. It looks like Dan Chandler seconded it (and I doubt you're questioning his commitment to the sport). It also passed unanimously so even all the reps from the cities voted in favor of it. And to answer the question again - No, I'm not on the board and don't have any association to MN-USA except for being a referee. Sorry that I missed your point that the only two options are Rochester and Monticello. I though the argument was to have it more centrally located. I haven't actually been to the facility in Monticello where it was held. From the notes above, it sounds like they had to split up the age groups to make it work. (If I'm interpreting that wrong, I apologize). I only jumped into this conversation to try to explain how the process works so people could voice their concerns to the board instead of complaining on here. 35+ years ago (as was pointed out) I proposed moving it around the state every couple years to give a wider audience a chance to have it in their back-yard. The reality and logistics of doing that though, are a nightmare. I apologize again if anyone thinks that I'm lobbying for one location or another (please note my signature line). Edited by Iowan@heart, Aug 30 2017, 01:53 PM.
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| MNRodent | Aug 30 2017, 01:55 PM Post #50 |
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They don't have good internets up North there in Monticello? |
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| kgeiser | Aug 30 2017, 02:01 PM Post #51 |
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Thanks for the reply Iowan. I value your thoughts. I believe the 3 looking to move it back to Rochester were Dale Schmitz, Bill Hinchley, and Tom Kuisle. I don't doubt their commitment to the sport of wrestling, but I do disagree with them on where to host the tourneys. Another note- Monticello was as big and could host everything just like Rochester, nothing different there. On a different topic, I would like MNUSA to pursue US Bank Stadium for the 2019 MNUSA Folkstyle state |
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| Turd Bag | Aug 30 2017, 02:08 PM Post #52 |
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This is either (a) a poor attempt at trolling, or (b) evidence of your stupidity. Your PSU posts don't seem stupid, so you need to work a bit on your trolling game. |
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| CropDuster | Aug 30 2017, 02:21 PM Post #53 |
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My point is that if people are really upset about a lack of "centralization" and claiming it "isn't in the best interest of membership", then they should be upset about U-23's as well. The thing is, they probably aren't as upset (or upset at all) because it doesn't affect them. They are upset for personal reasons and dressing it up like there's something corrupt and terrible about Rochester holding tournaments. Northern Plains is there. Now MN/USA State is there. U-23's are coming. Not to mention Christmas and The Clash (which are private, but the point still holds)... There's a reason tournaments get awarded (meaning they bid) to Rochester, and it isn't corruption. |
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| gopherfan149 | Aug 30 2017, 04:15 PM Post #54 |
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Let's see the bids and put this all to rest then |
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| kgeiser | Aug 30 2017, 04:49 PM Post #55 |
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You're right, I'm upset for personal reasons. I love wrestling, that's my personal reason. U23 being in Rochester is much more central than MN USA Freco being in Rochester. Freco state in Rochester is not what's best. As a Penn State fan, I value your opinion less than most so take no offense to most of your points. (the last part is in jest) Edited by kgeiser, Aug 30 2017, 05:02 PM.
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| Northwest | Aug 31 2017, 07:34 AM Post #56 |
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No, not Fairmont, Kellogg. 36 miles from Rochester. |
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| tr29 | Aug 31 2017, 09:13 AM Post #57 |
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For every person that dislikes the tournament in Rochester, there is a person that likes it there. Personally, venue wise, i like Rochester better.
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| Turd Bag | Aug 31 2017, 09:42 AM Post #58 |
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U-23s is a nationwide tournament for young adults. FRECO kids state, plus cadet is a state tournament for kids under the age of 14. You see the difference, right? I don't know about corruption. I just know it would be nice to spread the love a little more around the State, like they had done with Kids + Cadets FRECO State the last couple of years. Now that is going back to Rochester again. All kids state events are now in Rochester, once again.; NYWA team, NYWA individual, MN USA kids folkstyle, and MN USA kids + cadets FRECO. Also, you can factor in that kids can wrestle at Northern Plains, and that is also at Rochester. For this guy, that is just a bit too much Rochester, and we will drop some of these opportunities for something else. Rochester is a fine town, but it isn't cheap, and I can't envision spending four weekends in an 11 week span in March, April, and May 2018 in Rochester (NYWA, MN USA folk, MN USA freco, and Great Plains). I am sure others can stomach that , but it ain't for me. I wish at least one of those were some place else, like MN USA FRECO had been for the last couple years. |
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| ERIC CREESE | Aug 31 2017, 10:06 AM Post #59 |
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I have no problems with it moving around the state for the state tourney. People who want to be there will be wherever it is. I do not believe Norther Plains will be in Rochester this year. I think it goes back to the rotation. Edited by ERIC CREESE, Aug 31 2017, 10:07 AM.
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| Northwest | Aug 31 2017, 10:22 AM Post #60 |
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Eric, yes it is true that people who are die hard wrestling families will go to wherever the tournament is at. The problem is not every family is a die hard wrestling family and not every family has the means to travel to Rochester every year multiple times. We need to grow the sport and one of the best ways to do that is to make events affordable. A more central location for freco is essential to get the numbers heading in the right direction. It is just insane to ask people from Greenbush, Thief River Falls, Moorhead, Detroit Lakes, Frazee, Perham, and many more to travel that distance. Full day of travel, possible extra night of lodging, gas, etc. is just too much for many young families that we need to attract. |
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