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| Mn Usa Freco Kids State 2018; Back to Rochester | |
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| Unit | Mar 15 2018, 04:00 PM Post #121 |
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Having traveled a good chunk of my life wrestling and with a son wrestling have been to several places that I told my self never again. Sitting on the floor, horribly run, could not hear the announcer, terrible food or no food and could go on with buckets more of negative things but........ Ya know when the next year rolled around we got ready and still did it. May not of went back to them all. Why, cuz there was not many places to go to get quality mat time, get good brackets and we simply loved it. Spent a good part of my time in empty gyms as well. Traveled 4 hours and Have 3 guys in my bracket or my own son's. Plenty of seating as no one was in them. Reading or scanning over these entire posts, reading back on page one and hearing echoes of it now. It takes a lot to run a trny, volunteers ect and I have done that as well plenty of times. Northern Plains for years have been in Waterloo IA and I still loved it but now its in Rochester and still love it. Love the U.S. Open in Vegas to be in Rochester as well As DI Nationals.(wishful thinking but will take world trials) many great venues in MN to host pretty much any size wrestling trny for the kids. I have been to events that have been bid to get them there and we had no refs, they called in the stands to get people, try to give them a class in 15 minutes. My god was that a horrific event. The kind you go to the pub after and ask your self did that just happened but thank god I spent a lot of money in air line tickets and hotel rooms so it could hurt that much more. I will echo Iowan@heart, it boils down to who and what venue has the best TEAM of people to run a turn key event. Rochester has ED Hruska, wrestling dad and the main sports Commissioner The refs in MN that travel and get treated like rock stars in Rochester are for the most the BEST in the region. Yes I know not every Zebra gets the 5star but truly, who wants that job. :) Volunteers........nuff said Wrestling mats are all ready in town waiting for tape. 1- huge venue not close to downtown and a second Venue that's pretty dang good connected by sky way to everything, hotels minutes away and airport 10 minutes away. Only thing better is if Rochester was where MPLS/St.Paul is and the twin cities was more by Oslo MN but not to close to Rockdell. Last year after page one I got the feeling the dead horse was getting kicked. Now......I just had to look and that's my fault so I'm very sorry to the posters that really wish it to be at a closer venue and feel your pain but.......looks like the dead horse is taking a second round of getting the boot. FYI, both Northern Plains and kids state will be packed again......to many cats like me out there that like to travel and watch a good fight no matter how terrible the surroundings are. Good luck this year! This spring we have some crazy good wrestling rolling into the region. Freestyle World Cup Team Duals in IA, Last chance world Cup trials at Northern Plains. Good stuff. Edited by Unit, Mar 15 2018, 04:01 PM.
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| huntfishwrestle | Mar 17 2018, 12:42 AM Post #122 |
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I always respect your posts (when I can comprehend them!). I have to disagree about kicking the dead horse. If we don't fight for wrestling we are doing our sport a disservice. Having state Freco in Rochester is rediculous. I have heard all the arguments. It's the "old guard" that keeps it there that is kcking the dead horse with all the BS excuses. Hats off the the team of people there who somehow pull the wool over everyones eyes time and time again and keep bringing state tournaments there. The rest of the state is to blame as well for allowing it to happen. My son is in 7th grade and we have made 12 trips to Rochester. 2 trips to Monticello. It was just as good in Monticello as Rochester. Tell me again how it got moved back? |
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| Unit | Mar 17 2018, 08:59 AM Post #123 |
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Start could be ask Monticello how they lost it? I googled Monticello sports commissioner to actually get a number, could not find one. Wish you luck Hunt on your mission. |
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| fatback | Mar 17 2018, 09:56 AM Post #124 |
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This is what I have come to realize. The northern wrestlers are pretty easily casted aside. To get to these elite tournaments parents have to have enough money to travel, not everyone does. To be a great wrestler it is becoming a rich man sport like hockey. When you live where we do it easily runs $700-$900 on a weekend for the big tournaments. When the kids are picked for national teams the northern kids are not even thought of especially the mnusa folkstyle duals. Many examples are out there of northern kids beating some southern kids that made the team and the northern kids were not even considered. |
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| Northwest | Mar 17 2018, 05:49 PM Post #125 |
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Monticello does not have a sports commissioner nor do they have a Chamber that seeks out athletic events. Mn/usa chose to work with the community ed. people and not the wrestling booster club as gopher state does. Big mistake as the booster club would have been very helpful and they were very hurt that they were not included in the negotiations with mn/usa. The football parents and athletes ran the concessions and the wrestling booster club was asked to only help with set up. For Gopher State the booster club runs the concessions, does the set up and tear down, provide most of the mats, provide table workers, help with security, etc. This could have been and should have been a long term mutual beneficial arrangement. First of all, you have to want it to work before it will work. |
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| huntfishwrestle | Mar 18 2018, 04:27 PM Post #126 |
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I think they didn't "lose it" and you know that unless you are not as in the know as I assume in SE MN wrestling. It stated in the MNUSA board minutes that poor internet and only a minimal increase in attendance was the reason it was removed back to Rochester. This is where the kicking the dead horse comes in. There are those at MNUSA that only want it in Rochester, so it is very easy to keep it there and bring it back. |
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| tr29 | Mar 19 2018, 09:05 AM Post #127 |
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Sometimes you have to be creative to save money on the trips. 1. Don't take the whole family. My sons and I have travel to a lot of tournaments by our self's. 2. Travel with another family. We have also traveled with other people and shared the expenses (Gas, Lodging). 3. Ask another family to take your son. We have taken others with us and have asked others if they could take our kids. 4.Take turns. One tournament you take the kids and the next someone else take the kids. Now a days you can sit home and watch a lot of the tournaments. My oldest son has traveled all over the country and i probably travel to less then half of them with him, sometimes because of work and sometimes because of cost. You dont have to be by your sons side and in his corner for every match. 5. Pack your own food. We do it all the time. Saves tons of money. Unfortunately most all youth sports can get expensive. |
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| Northwest | Mar 19 2018, 10:00 AM Post #128 |
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Really, you are assuming everyone has all these "money saving" options. Any suggestions for those that actually have to take a day off from work just to travel to an extreme location? How about working towards a more central location so these situations can be avoided? Yes. you may have to limit the number of participants but that can be worked out without loosing an event for the year. Limiting the number for state tournament participants opens up several different venue options. It is long overdue that location must be something that trumps other considerations or this topic will be argued year after year. There are solutions and Rochester is not part of the solution. |
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| fatback | Mar 19 2018, 11:20 AM Post #129 |
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MNUSA state folkstyle MNUSA Greco MNUSA Freestyle NYWA Northern Plains All of these elite tournaments in Rochester. You really think a wrestler from up North can get to all of these, and having to go to Rochester 4 times all within a couple of months is absolutely ridiculous. Can you see why some of us are squeezing about this. The southern part if the state is more than happy to beat their own chests with how their section does at the high school state tournament every year. Well all of these opportunities are in you back yard. No wonder..... |
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| fatback | Mar 19 2018, 11:44 AM Post #130 |
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Apparently, you are assuming everyone only has one wrestler in their family. Hard not to bring the whole family when the whole family wrestles. |
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| tr29 | Mar 19 2018, 12:10 PM Post #131 |
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I wasn't assuming anything. These are things that i have done and continue to do. I would think most people have to take off work when a tournament starts on a friday. Thats part of the sacrifice. Sorry but your not going to get a lot of sympathy from me. Over the years i have spent countless dollars on training and traveling from coast to coast. These are things we have decided to do to make our kids better. And along the way our family has made plenty of sacrifices because of it. Whether it is in Rochester or Monticello we are going to go. Edited by tr29, Mar 19 2018, 12:22 PM.
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| fatback | Mar 19 2018, 12:33 PM Post #132 |
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I have travelled with my kids coast to coast as well and have spent thousands as well. I understand the out of state travel, but it would be nice to have your own state tournaments more centerally located so they are not like traveling to an out of state tournament. Just curious. Would you travel to Greenbush 4 times in a couple in months to make all of these tournaments? Not looking for sympathy, but if you can't see where this us a problem, you must live in southern MN and are narrow-minded. |
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| huntfishwrestle | Mar 20 2018, 11:49 AM Post #133 |
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I love when people try to deflect by teaching us northerners how to save money! Keep the issue in the forefront- ROCHESTER needs to go as the site MNUSA tournaments! Deflection and ignorant arguments seem to win the day whenever anyone brings up moving out of Rochester. |
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| tr29 | Mar 20 2018, 12:22 PM Post #134 |
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Like i said, i don't care where it is at, we will go to it. If you have ideas on where it should be, i would suggest you join the MNUSA Board and help with the decision making. There are always openings on the board, and they are always looking for new faces. There are always advantages and disadvantages to where one might live. Looks like one of the disadvantages for you is you have to travel farther then most to have your kids wrestle in MNUSA State tournaments. Whoops, there is go again with ignorant arguments.... Edited by tr29, Mar 20 2018, 12:23 PM.
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| Lloyd Christmas | Mar 20 2018, 06:01 PM Post #135 |
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apparently you are not aware of who tr29 is. They have more than one wrestler as well. |
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| fatback | Mar 20 2018, 06:42 PM Post #136 |
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I guess every big tournament in the state should be in Rochester (oh wait, they are except gopher state) and nobody should have any issues with that. My question still stands: would you go 4 times in a couple months, 8 hours away for these tournaments? I don't care what you pack for food or how you try to cut corners. That is very costly. |
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| fatback | Mar 20 2018, 06:50 PM Post #137 |
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I could care less who he he is. The little money saving lecture may work for his family but that does not mean it works for everyone. There is zero chance my wife is staying home if her boys are wrestling. |
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| tr29 | Mar 21 2018, 04:57 AM Post #138 |
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Well, then I guess we will see you and your family in Rochester. |
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| fatback | Mar 21 2018, 07:18 AM Post #139 |
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You will see me there for the State Greco and freestyle yes. You will not see me there for any of the other tournaments due to the cost. We have to pick and choose and my kids loose out on opportunities. |
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| huntfishwrestle | Mar 21 2018, 09:47 AM Post #140 |
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For those of you who forgot where Rochester was: http://www.city-data.com/w9/bfm12006.gif Rochester location |
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| tr29 | Mar 21 2018, 10:45 AM Post #141 |
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In all seriousness, how much more does it cost someone to go to Rochester rather than Monticello from Greenbush? Like I said earlier, I really don’t care where they hold it. |
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| JEV | Mar 21 2018, 11:24 AM Post #142 |
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It's as much time as it is cost. When the Freco tournament was in Monticello, I could drive down there in the late afternoon and not have to miss much work. I was fine with that and we had a good time last year. This year, with Freco state and Northern Plains only a week apart there's no way we can do both. It's an 8 hour drive ONE WAY. I can understand why they want it in Rochester, but I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that it is for the better of the sport. Participation numbers might not go down in the southern half of the state, but it will surely go down in the northern half. |
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| huntfishwrestle | Mar 21 2018, 11:28 AM Post #143 |
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You hit the nail on the head. The time commitment is the key 2 good examples I can give 1. The last time it was in Rochester one of our better schoolboys had to miss out because of confirmation. Had it been in Monticello he could have made it work 2. One of our better novices this year has an orchestra concert that weekend. In Monticello he could have made it work. Why would it ever be in Rochester? Why would Rochester even be in contention for a STATE tournament? Having the state tournament in the WAY FAR CORNER of the state is asinine and rediculous. I get tired of all the Rochester apologists. Its time to do what is best for MN wrestling. I certainly hope this is the last year its in Rochester. |
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| fatback | Mar 21 2018, 11:55 AM Post #144 |
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This should also matter to MNUSA Wrestling due to the number of northern Cadets that likely will not be able to attend Northern Plains. This matters because it is very likely there will be less automatic qualifiers for the Fargo Nationals if the attendance is down. Tr29, Time and cost are substantial when you consider 4 of these big tourneys are held there. |
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| mndak | Mar 21 2018, 12:54 PM Post #145 |
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It's really difficult to sell mnusa wrestling in northern Minnesota with the current set up. Yes, there are parents that will travel wherever and whenever is necessary to compete at the state, regional and national level. In reality most families don't have the time and money to make all 4 tournaments. There's a thread on here about a club switching to nywa because they are sick of traveling 45 minutes to the closest USA qualifiers in the metro. Heck, 45 miles is the average distance for a regular youth Tournament up here in northern Minnesota. Edited by mndak, Mar 21 2018, 01:55 PM.
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| JEV | Mar 21 2018, 02:04 PM Post #146 |
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I can understand why they have Northern Plains in Rochester as it is a regional event, not just exclusive to MN. It wasn't that long ago Northern Plains wasn't even in MN. The state Freco tournament on the other hand makes very little sense geographically. |
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| Unit | Mar 21 2018, 02:21 PM Post #147 |
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State Freco for juniors is held in Mpls at Augsburg University. Nice to see. |
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| Northwest | Mar 22 2018, 09:48 PM Post #148 |
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Why Augsburg? Small tournament, just about any venue could handle this tournament. How about St. John's or St. Cloud State. Why are we always promoting Augsburg? St. Cloud is a multiple national champion with mostly Mn. kids, perhaps coach Costanza would be very helpful with an event like this. |
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| Unit | Mar 24 2018, 11:17 PM Post #149 |
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Sorry norteast, the dead horse was getting kicked down in the South East, thought I would drag it up to Mpls. My bad, guess there is going to be zero positive in this post. Feels like a CNN news channel......or Fox......no matter what ................ Grand Rapids ever have a state wrestling trny? , Fergus Falls, Detroit lakes? Great gyms. Love to see them Host a barn burner. |
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| Lt. Frank Drebin | Mar 26 2018, 09:02 PM Post #150 |
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Am I the only one sick and tired of these guys from dam near Canada complaining ever year about how far they have to drive and how it's not fair...cry me a river. |
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