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| fatback | Mar 27 2018, 06:40 AM Post #151 |
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If you are so sick and tired of it, don't read it. You don't like hearing people that want to make the system better? Cry me a river. |
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| huntfishwrestle | Mar 27 2018, 08:34 AM Post #152 |
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Are u serious? I am about solving problems and helping the sport of wrestling. What are you on here for? What's your point? Let me draw you southernors a picture: Central MN Rochester |
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| mndak | Mar 27 2018, 08:59 AM Post #153 |
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It's not a matter of whining. It's a matter of doing what is right! Rochester is a great host and they have multiple opportunities to host major wrestling events throughout the year. In my opinion MNUSA wrestling should make an attempt to create youth opportunities for the entire state of Minnesota. And currently those opportunities are lacking in the northern half. Having the state tournament moved to a more centralized location or even the metro would be beneficial to the entire state. And Yes it would be easy to create USA clubs up here in communities that currently do not have one. But why would any club want to invest in a club charter, charge all their kids membership fees, when they lack any close qualifiers and than the kids that qualify have to take an 7 to 8 hour trip to Rochester? If your club chooses to go the USA route you are increasing your membership price and maybe half a dozen families are willing to take advantage of it. |
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| tr29 | Mar 27 2018, 09:18 AM Post #154 |
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I think if you want change, the best solution is to become a MNUSA Board member. That would be the best place to voice your opinion. I believe they meet once a month, and i think they do most of them by conference call. So you probably don't have to travel for most of the meetings https://www.mnusawrestling.org/page/show/1034415-minnesota-usa-wrestling-board Edited by tr29, Mar 27 2018, 09:21 AM.
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| gopherfan149 | Mar 27 2018, 10:19 AM Post #155 |
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If you want change of locations don’t go to these tournaments in Rochester. If enough people don’t go they will be forced to move it. Keep showing up and MN/USA I mean Rochester/USA will keep having it. |
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| larson311 | Mar 27 2018, 10:39 AM Post #156 |
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ND has invited us to theirs, so there is potential to do that. Moorhead already goes I know. |
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| mndak | Mar 27 2018, 01:26 PM Post #157 |
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I have understand that is an option, but I think an argument can be made that it is beneficial to have northern Minnesota kids wrestle in Minnesota events. (in reality I don't think it matters as long as the kids are wrestling and elevating their competition level as they progress) Even North Dakota alternates tournament sites, I believe they hold their folkstyle state event in Bismark and hold their freestyle/greco state event in the east (Jamestown this year?). I am not trying to stir anything up here, I just believe an event in St. Cloud or even the metro area would attract a better representation of clubs in the state. |
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| NSWC | Mar 27 2018, 01:54 PM Post #158 |
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Also not trying to stir anything up, but a trip from Greenbush (for example) to Jamestown, ND is about 4 hours. A trip to Monticello, MN is about 5 hours according to Google maps. |
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| Northwest | Mar 27 2018, 06:32 PM Post #159 |
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Sounds easy doesn't it? Several past board members have voiced their opinions on this subject and the same old excuses come up from the "old guard". Look at the map and see just where your top mn/usa board members live and that should tell you something. I could name at least 8-10 past board members that left with a bad taste in their mouth about tournament locations just in the last several years. It takes a while for a new board member to realize just what is going on and after their wrestler or wrestlers have left the wrestling scene, they get frustrated and loose interest. The cycle continues, perhaps it is time for some board members to just retire. Yes, mn/usa may suffer for a year or two but, a better organization will emerge over time. |
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| mndak | Mar 27 2018, 06:44 PM Post #160 |
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Yes, but the Albertville outlet mall is a lot closer to Monticello than Jamestown. That alone makes it easier to convince the wife to make the trip. Although in the end it's about experience and not about the location. |
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| gopherfan149 | Mar 27 2018, 06:51 PM Post #161 |
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The only way they will reconsider is if people don’t go. Easy solution |
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| 3girlsanddad | Mar 27 2018, 07:15 PM Post #162 |
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Easy?? I would like to hear you tell your 8 year old that you guys are skipping the state tournament the next three years, because “dad is protesting the location”. Sounds easy!! |
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| gopherfan149 | Mar 27 2018, 07:25 PM Post #163 |
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Would only take one year. If skipping is not for you, then do what’s best for your family. I’m just saying it would work. |
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| Lt. Frank Drebin | Mar 27 2018, 08:20 PM Post #164 |
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I went to the Mn usa website and noticed the table worker director position is open. C'mon Northwest, step up. Put your money where your mouth is. Help improve mn usa. Edited by Lt. Frank Drebin, Mar 27 2018, 08:21 PM.
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| Turd Bag | Mar 28 2018, 07:25 AM Post #165 |
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My kids will be wrestling freestyle and greco this year, but we won't be going to the MN USA freco tourney in Rochester. The only reason we aren't going is because MN/USA has put this kids tourney back in Rochester. I am tired of all of the USA kids tournaments being in Rochester. There are opportunities elsewhere, and I am willing to drive extra hours and go out of state just to avoid supporting the move of this tournament back to Rochester. No, I don't live way up north. I live a little more than 2 hours from Rochester. |
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| Northwest | Mar 28 2018, 08:34 AM Post #166 |
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Interesting choice of words, "put your money where your mouth is". That is being done now and that is why Rochester keeps hosting these tournaments. The Rochester Amateur Sports Commission has thrown so much money at mn/usa that they have lost sight of what their mission is. The mission of serving what is in the best interests of the membership. Huntfishwrestle has posted the actual location of Rochester in relation to the entire state of Mn. The far southeast corner, how is that in the best interest of a statewide organization and it's members? I have supported this organization for over 30 years and, sadly, until they change their ways I have a hard time supporting the organization. My support has come in several ways including money, serving, and promoting. Too old and tired to support something where decisions are made based on primarily on money. Perhaps you should take up that tableworkers position it turns over every couple of years or so. A more central location for events would produce a whole new cast of characters that would volunteer. Are you the same Lt. Frank from Naked Gun? |
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| Lt. Frank Drebin | Mar 28 2018, 08:42 AM Post #167 |
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Turd Bag, your like a modern day bra burner. Way to stick it to the evil mn usa. |
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| Turd Bag | Mar 28 2018, 08:54 AM Post #168 |
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Never said they were evil. I just don't agree with the decision to return this event to Rochester, and am voting with my feet. They can have it in Rochester, but my dollars aren't going to support it. |
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| kgeiser | Apr 3 2018, 08:16 AM Post #169 |
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Haven't seen a schedule for Freestyle/Greco state yet. Anyone know where to find it? Trying to plan our trip. |
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| Gonzaga1603 | Apr 4 2018, 11:59 AM Post #170 |
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Wasnt the decision made because not enough more people went when it was in Monticello to offset the increased cost of having the tournament there? I thought I saw that in one of the previous iterations of this discussion. Maybe I am wrong. |
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| larson311 | Apr 4 2018, 01:20 PM Post #171 |
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From the meeting minutes, no mention of cost, just said they didn't get the increased attendance they were hoping for. Motion to move Freestyle/Greco State Tournament back to Rochester for 2018. Tom made a motion to accept the motion. Dan seconded the motion. Discussion: 2 Venues, 6 mats at each (can do 8). B/P/I on one side, School boy and Cadet on the other. Jeff- Are we concerned about feedback about decentralizing tournament? Dale- we didn’t pick up the numbers we were hoping for up north. Champ- The bottom line is that we need to get the kids out there wrestling, but don’t split the age groups. Voting: All in favor none opposed. Motion carried. Edited by larson311, Apr 4 2018, 01:21 PM.
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| larson311 | Apr 4 2018, 01:31 PM Post #172 |
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Here's the numbers back to 2012 if anyone was interested. 2012-2015 was in Rochester, 16-17 in Monticello ----------2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 PeeWee 19 21 21 17 10 17 Bantam 33 52 59 59 54 49 Interm 73 70 76 79 99 80 Novice 77 93 102 96 112 115 School 99 104 122 100 114 113 Cadet 148 132 134 138 166 138 Girls 8 13 16 16 29 36 Total 457 485 530 505 584 548 Edited by larson311, Apr 4 2018, 01:33 PM.
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| kgeiser | Apr 4 2018, 01:58 PM Post #173 |
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Just so everyone gets it- the two biggest years were both years in Monticello. An increase of 89 the first year, or an increase of 16%, and when comparing to 2012 it was an increase of 25%! That's fairly large in my mind!! Edited by kgeiser, Apr 4 2018, 01:59 PM.
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| averagewrestler | Apr 4 2018, 07:23 PM Post #174 |
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What kind of numbers were they hoping for? Folkstyle numbers? It would be interisting to see a breakdown of where the wrestlers were from? How many more northern wrestlers showed up? How many southern kids stayed home? |
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| getyourpoints | Apr 4 2018, 11:30 PM Post #175 |
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The location for the event is a difficult choice for sure, especially knowing the budget is a huge factor. For the past 10 years my family relocated to NE Wisconsin for my work and we just moved back so I am very new to many of these debates. In Wisconsin the state Greco/Freestyle tournament is held in Wisconsin Dells (far south west corner) and the only complaint I heard as a coach was the cost. No one ever had an issue with commuting for a state event even though the Dells are not close to any major population hub. The average commute was 3.5 hours. 8 hours is a crazy drive for those who have to make it no doubt. If I am not mistaken a majority of the revenues created from this event goes back into the athletes? Doesn't most of the money made go to helping support the State dual teams and the cadets and JR's that are attending Fargo? I know in many other states the Fargo costs are over 2500.00 for athletes to join. So in saying that finding affordable venues is very critical and if the Rochester travel bureau or commission is a factor in driving down costs shouldn't that be a legitimate reason to have it there? Now if other communities like St Cloud can offer the same or better it should be considered, but can they? Edited by getyourpoints, Apr 4 2018, 11:31 PM.
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| gopherfan149 | Apr 5 2018, 07:33 AM Post #176 |
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If the bottom line is to get the kids out there wrestling well it looks like Monti is the best spot. So it that the bottom line or not? |
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| Northwest | Apr 5 2018, 01:49 PM Post #177 |
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Your point is understood, however, why is it ok for the membership to have to spend thousands of dollars extra for traveling, lodging, gas, time of from work, etc. so mn/usa can make more money? How about just increasing the entrance fee by $5.00 which would help cover come of the perks Rochester keeps throwing at the organization? Reference is often made to "northern wrestlers", I beg to differ. Just about anyone north of I-94 would benefit by a more central location. There was a search for a new venue for freestyle/greco several years ago and Monti was chosen. St. Cloud was willing to almost match dollar for dollar what Rochester was offering. St. Cloud wants this tournament! One option in St. Cloud was the Herb Brooks National Hockey facility. Two Olympic size rinks and one had raised seating with seats that had backs, a very classy facility. The other practice rink had no seating but arrangements could have been made for temporary seating for the 4 mats that would have been in the practice rink. The rinks are attached. The University is academic year is over by the time this tournament takes place so, parking would not have been a serious issue. There was some that were determined not to have a wrestling event in a hockey arena. Also, it was determined that the event MUST be held at a venue where all mats are under one roof. The Civic Center in Rochester will be two rooms. Unfortunately, the search that took place was done merely because the RCTC was not available for the weekend it was needed. That fact was not revealed to the membership. |
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| getyourpoints | Apr 6 2018, 02:30 AM Post #178 |
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Transparency is always the key along with listing to the member base. It's also important that members understand what the tournaments are supporting, the future and the present wrestlers. These tournaments have a present and future benefit, I hope those choosing to boycott understand the two part focus of these events. I also don't think most in the rural areas understand how not attending USA Wrestling events hurts the big picture. I am not saying don't attend other wrestling leagues, just don't miss the USA events. I have spoken too a few folks at MNUSA and they came across to be open minded to listening to ways of enhancing the events to improve the members experience. Minnesota is very fortunate to have such a strong wresting community that cares enough to voices concerns and push for growth and improvement. |
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| Turd Bag | Apr 6 2018, 11:27 AM Post #179 |
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I know what my money supports by doing MN USA events. I am still not taking my family. If MN USA wants my money, they should have the tourney elsewhere. Just because they may have a benevolent purpose, doesn't make me obligated to support a bad decision to return to Rochester. Maybe enough people support it in Rochester and I am in the minority, and that is fine too. |
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| mndak | Apr 6 2018, 01:36 PM Post #180 |
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You have to remember USA wrestling was late to the folkstyle party. NYWA has been offering a folkstyle state tournament before USA wrestling. When NYWA started offering the event, USA wrestling only offered freestyle and Greco tournaments at all levels. I don't believe folkstyle was an option for mnusa until the very late 90s/early 2000s and it was only offered at the youth level. It wasn't until recent years that they added the option to cadet and juniors. It also seems like the local freestyle events list has shrunken significantly over the past few years. With out the ample opportunity to try freestyle it is difficult to get new families really involved in the post season schedule. However the "new rules" (more like a shift to the old rules) has made freestyle a more attractive option. It really is on mnusa to make their events attractive to the wrestling community, instead of the other way around. Don't get me wrong, I believe MNUSA wrestling is important for wrestling in Minnesota. Edited by mndak, Apr 6 2018, 03:55 PM.
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