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Mn Usa Freco Kids State 2018; Back to Rochester
Topic Started: Aug 21 2017, 08:15 PM (22,881 Views)
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Apr 16 2018, 01:00 PM
Rochester is 60 minutes south of the cities. You can't blame all 7 hours of driving from the border of Canada on the Rochester location.

Btw, the geographical center of the state is near Brainerd.
Minneapolis to Rochester is 1 hour 27 minutes. Its pretty misleading to say from the "cities to Rochester is 60 minutes."

Forest Lake is 1 hour 42 minutes to Rochester.

St Francis is 2 hours 6 minutes to Rochester

STMA is 1 hour 57 minutes to Rochester

Orono is 1 hour 47 minutes.

Woodbury is 1 hour 20 minutes

Shakopee is 1 hour 35 minutes

Apple Valley is 1 hour 14 minutes.

Delano is 2 hours.

Stillwater is 1 hour 36 minutes

Bemidji is 5 hours 26 minutes (Bemidji to Monticello is 3 hours, 5 min)

So where do you consider the "cities" starts? Because I am having trouble finding a good answer. However almost all of those cities I listed would not need to stay at hotels if it were in Monticello and those driving from far away could save 1.5 hours or so.
Edited by gopherfan149, Apr 17 2018, 03:40 PM.
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well, guess it all depends on who's drivin B)
Edited by Tiny Tornado, Apr 17 2018, 10:01 AM.
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Cities vs. Hotels, host hotels, rebates, rack rates, CVB's, sports commissions, slush funds. This is not the Olympic trials, the Final Four, the Super Bowl, the NCAA D1 tournament. This is a youth tournament which should be reasonably located so as to increase participation which Monticello did. A two year test and the brain trust says, "it did not increase as much as we thought it would". So, with all this information that has been thrown out, a simple solution would be for someone from mn/usa to compare the last year the freestyle/greco event was in Rochester to the 2 years it was in Monticello. Compare the profits and let the membership see how much money you are talking about. It would pale in comparison to the added cost and time for the participants.
Just trying to explain how it works. If you don't care, that's fine.

If you really believe that strongly about it, get on the board and get it moved. Complaining on here and saying "somebody ought to do something" isn't going to get it done.
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Was on the board and did get it moved. The frustration of working with the heirarchy that lives near Rochester is too much for myself and others to deal with. The first chance that was available to the rose colored Rochester people, they left Monticello in the dust. No credible reason was given to the membership.
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At least Junior State is in Minneapolis. Oh wait.....
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SAT’s across the State had to be rescheduled for this weekend, due to last weekends blizzard... this is the reason it’s been moved to May
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I drew a line across the state at Monticello and everything above that I considered a "Northern" team, anything below was "South". I also removed girls division since that's such a huge growing part of our sport that I didn't want it to skew numbers.

2015 (Rochester) - Total Wrestlers 489, 87 from "North" or 17.79%
2016 (Monticello) - Total Wrestlers 555, 128 from "North" or 23.06%
2017 (Monticello) - Total Wrestlers 510, 103 from "North" or 20.19%

We'll see what happens in 2018 in a couple weeks.
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Here is a example where if it was in Monticello instead of Rochester you might get more wrestlers.

7th grade Wrestler is running track Friday night before Greco Freestyle State track meet is 1 hour from his home.

Monticello to Home is 1 hr & 58 Min Via Map Quest Would have to Leave home @ 5:45 am and make it in time for Weigh ins

Rochester to Home is 3 hr & 50 Min Via Map Quest Would have to Leave home 3:45 am and make it in time for Weigh ins

Both are manageable and we are going to leave at 3:30am Saturday Morning and my son is going to sleep in the car on the way down. He is a long shot to place we are doing it because he wants to and we love it and are Diehards. It is not people like me and my son who we need to grow the sport. We need the kids and parents willing to leave at 5:30 -5:45 to help the sport grow and that is why a more central location is needed in my opinion.

Please respectfully email the board and let them know how you feel if you would like to see this Tournament more centrally located.

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May 2 2018, 10:01 AM
I drew a line across the state at Monticello and everything above that I considered a "Northern" team, anything below was "South". I also removed girls division since that's such a huge growing part of our sport that I didn't want it to skew numbers.

2015 (Rochester) - Total Wrestlers 489, 87 from "North" or 17.79%
2016 (Monticello) - Total Wrestlers 555, 128 from "North" or 23.06%
2017 (Monticello) - Total Wrestlers 510, 103 from "North" or 20.19%

We'll see what happens in 2018 in a couple weeks.
Well since that imaginary line cuts off 80% of the states population. I would say its pretty accurate
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I drew a line across the state at Monticello and everything above that I considered a "Northern" team, anything below was "South". I also removed girls division since that's such a huge growing part of our sport that I didn't want it to skew numbers.

2015 (Rochester) - Total Wrestlers 489, 87 from "North" or 17.79%
2016 (Monticello) - Total Wrestlers 555, 128 from "North" or 23.06%
2017 (Monticello) - Total Wrestlers 510, 103 from "North" or 20.19%

We'll see what happens in 2018 in a couple weeks.
Well since that imaginary line cuts off 80% of the states population. I would say its pretty accurate
I can move the line easily, I wasn't sure where to put it, what would you like to see?
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How did the numbers shake out according to last year?
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Using the same method larson 311 used (removing the girls division), the 2018 number is 439.

2015 (Rochester) 489
2016 (Monticello) 555
2017 (Monticello) 510
2018 (Rochester) 439

That is an average of 93 fewer wrestlers than the 2 years the event was in Monticello. The question is did mn/usa sign a 1 year or 2 year contract with
Rochester for this event?

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May 9 2018, 08:09 AM
Using the same method larson 311 used (removing the girls division), the 2018 number is 439.

2015 (Rochester) 489
2016 (Monticello) 555
2017 (Monticello) 510
2018 (Rochester) 439

That is an average of 93 fewer wrestlers than the 2 years the event was in Monticello. The question is did mn/usa sign a 1 year or 2 year contract with
Rochester for this event?

That seems like a huge drop! Hope it comes back to central next year. Doesn't appear to be helping the sport grow at all.
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May 9 2018, 08:09 AM
Using the same method larson 311 used (removing the girls division), the 2018 number is 439.

2015 (Rochester) 489
2016 (Monticello) 555
2017 (Monticello) 510
2018 (Rochester) 439

That is an average of 93 fewer wrestlers than the 2 years the event was in Monticello. The question is did mn/usa sign a 1 year or 2 year contract with
Rochester for this event?

That seems like a huge drop! Hope it comes back to central next year. Doesn't appear to be helping the sport grow at all.
Not sure if the numbers from this year are a 100% accurate on it being held in Rochester. With the weird spring that we had there's been a lot of sporting events pushed back in to May which also could effect the number of wrestlers registered. Not trying to defend to either side just throwing that out there
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May 9 2018, 08:09 AM
Using the same method larson 311 used (removing the girls division), the 2018 number is 439.

2015 (Rochester) 489
2016 (Monticello) 555
2017 (Monticello) 510
2018 (Rochester) 439

That is an average of 93 fewer wrestlers than the 2 years the event was in Monticello. The question is did mn/usa sign a 1 year or 2 year contract with
Rochester for this event?

478 for freestyle
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As I indicated previously, I used the same formula that larson used and removed the girls. Registered girls of 39,subtract that from 478 and you get 439.
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I will do the north/south comparison after the weekend.
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I will do the north/south comparison after the weekend.
Make sure you factor in kids that are playing baseball and doing track, lacrosse, and tennis. I know my son is playing almost every weekend because of the snow/rain outs. Don’t forget to factor the kids going to prom. Kids going to weddings, kids helping on the farm because of late planting, or kids that might just be working...........

Should be a very interesting spreadsheet
Edited by tr29, May 9 2018, 11:24 AM.
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My son had 35 kids in his bracket in Folkstyle and this weekend only 3. Waste of my time and money to drive almost 3 hours to Rochester and see less matches than we have in any other tournament all spring.
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Spreadsheet or no spreadsheet. It's simple...

Get St Cloud and Monticello to put together a bid that cannot be beaten, complete with hotel kickbacks, appropriate help setting up and tearing down the mats and tournament equipment, and reduced site rental fee.

If this happens, you will have your tournament in the central part of the state.

Until this happens and someone takes a leadership role on this...... Rochester it is. Stop complaining, and do the work.
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May 9 2018, 11:44 AM
Spreadsheet or no spreadsheet. It's simple...

Get St Cloud and Monticello to put together a bid that cannot be beaten, complete with hotel kickbacks, appropriate help setting up and tearing down the mats and tournament equipment, and reduced site rental fee.

If this happens, you will have your tournament in the central part of the state.

Until this happens and someone takes a leadership role on this...... Rochester it is. Stop complaining, and do the work.
So thats the answer? MNUSA just goes with Rochester and tough crap for the good of wrestling unless some other community steps up? Sounds stupid to me. The raw numbers and money lost by MNUSA this weekend should precipitate moving the tournament more central next year. It's laughable that people still defend it being in Rochester. You'd think MNUSA would actively seek a central location themselves.
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Spreadsheet or no spreadsheet. It's simple...

Get St Cloud and Monticello to put together a bid that cannot be beaten, complete with hotel kickbacks, appropriate help setting up and tearing down the mats and tournament equipment, and reduced site rental fee.

If this happens, you will have your tournament in the central part of the state.

Until this happens and someone takes a leadership role on this...... Rochester it is. Stop complaining, and do the work.
So thats the answer? MNUSA just goes with Rochester and tough crap for the good of wrestling unless some other community steps up? Sounds stupid to me. The raw numbers and money lost by MNUSA this weekend should precipitate moving the tournament more central next year. It's laughable that people still defend it being in Rochester. You'd think MNUSA would actively seek a central location themselves.
Be aware they are taking walk ups....I have heard of several who will register at the door. So those number for 2018 are not complete.
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Actually, yes, that is the answer. However, i am not speaking on behalf of anyone besides myself. In fact, it makes absolutely no difference to me where the state tournament is held, we will be there no matter the location.

What i am trying to convey is exactly what needs to happen for a location change. I know with 100% certainty that there are wrestling people in rochester that go above and beyond to make sure this tournament, and others, stay in rochester. These people are not affiliated with mnusa wrestling either. If st cloud or monticello, or even thief river falls wants a chance to host the tournament, they should do the things i listed above and express their desire to host this tournament instead. Right now the only thing that is happening is a bunch of complaining. Some of it is warrented, some of it is not warrented. Some of this comllaining will fall on deaf ears simply because these people complaining will not lift a finger to help move a mat, work a table, ref a match, look over bids, or organize the consessions.

To be 100% honest, i liked the tournament in monticello. But i also dont mind going to rochester. Again, if the central/northern people want this changed, they will have to go after it aggressively, because the rochester athletic commission isnt going to let up. They want the tournament to stay.
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All the numbers are from trackwrestling pre-registration, does not matter what year. If walk-ins are included it would increase for every year. Not even sure walk-ins are accepted for anything other than Juniors.
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May 9 2018, 12:41 PM
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Spreadsheet or no spreadsheet. It's simple...

Get St Cloud and Monticello to put together a bid that cannot be beaten, complete with hotel kickbacks, appropriate help setting up and tearing down the mats and tournament equipment, and reduced site rental fee.

If this happens, you will have your tournament in the central part of the state.

Until this happens and someone takes a leadership role on this...... Rochester it is. Stop complaining, and do the work.
So thats the answer? MNUSA just goes with Rochester and tough crap for the good of wrestling unless some other community steps up? Sounds stupid to me. The raw numbers and money lost by MNUSA this weekend should precipitate moving the tournament more central next year. It's laughable that people still defend it being in Rochester. You'd think MNUSA would actively seek a central location themselves.
Be aware they are taking walk ups....I have heard of several who will register at the door. So those number for 2018 are not complete.
Not according to the MNUSA website......



The only option for registering is Online registration. Online registration will close on May 7, 2018 at 10:00 p.m. (it is set up to automatically close, even if you are in the process of registering, so our suggestion is do not wait to start the process until the end).

Absolutely no late registrations will be accepted. Registration can only be made Online via TrackWrestling. No exceptions.
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Junior State Greco/Junior State FS, DOES accept walk-ins. So that could possibly include some Cadets, as well, but only for those 2 tournaments...
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This was posted on another thread


Happydance23

Just out of curiosity. Is there walk up registration for state? Looks like registration closes tonight and numbers look pretty low right now.

I will ask and reply if I can - 
Edit: I am checking, but I think it’s the same as years past- preregistering is encouraged, walk up is allowed but will cost you more $$

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JUNIORS ONLY registration closes at 5:00pm on THURSDAY, MAY 10th!
(Kids closes tonight)
http://www.trackwres...

Also, it IS more expensive to pay at the door (from mnusawrestling.org website:)

Pre Registration
Entry: Entry fee of $30.00 per wrestler, per style, if pre-registered. Onsite entry fee is $40 per wrestler, per
style. All wrestlers MUST have a current (2018) USA Wrestling athlete’s card. Pre-registration deadline is 5 pm
on May 10th
. Pre-registration can only be made Online via TrackWrestling. Onsite registration is $40 per
wrestler, per style.
https://cdn1.sportng...
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Happydance;

would you please delete this post ? It's very confusing....

I was replying to someone's question, ONLY about whether there was walk-up registration for JUNIOR STATE.....

this post is hard to follow, and is misleading....thanks
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Spreadsheet or no spreadsheet. It's simple...

Get St Cloud and Monticello to put together a bid that cannot be beaten, complete with hotel kickbacks, appropriate help setting up and tearing down the mats and tournament equipment, and reduced site rental fee.

If this happens, you will have your tournament in the central part of the state.

Until this happens and someone takes a leadership role on this...... Rochester it is. Stop complaining, and do the work.
So thats the answer? MNUSA just goes with Rochester and tough crap for the good of wrestling unless some other community steps up? Sounds stupid to me. The raw numbers and money lost by MNUSA this weekend should precipitate moving the tournament more central next year. It's laughable that people still defend it being in Rochester. You'd think MNUSA would actively seek a central location themselves.
Be aware they are taking walk ups....I have heard of several who will register at the door. So those number for 2018 are not complete.
My son is also registered and we aren't going, so could go either way.
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I will do the north/south comparison after the weekend.
Make sure you factor in kids that are playing baseball and doing track, lacrosse, and tennis. I know my son is playing almost every weekend because of the snow/rain outs. Don’t forget to factor the kids going to prom. Kids going to weddings, kids helping on the farm because of late planting, or kids that might just be working...........

Should be a very interesting spreadsheet
The date was the same last year and past years, so the trend should still be the same year to year with kids doing other sports at this time as well.
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