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"circle to the center"; Who is the ref directing
Topic Started: Dec 7 2017, 08:31 PM (903 Views)
kidwrestlingcoach
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Outside wrestler is standing out of bounds.
Inside wrestler is standing in bounds.
Ref says "circle to the center."

Is he telling the outside wrestler to wrestle his way onto the mat?
Is he telling the inside wrestler to allow the outside wrestler onto the mat?
Is he telling both it time for a free pass to the center while the clock is running?

So this doesn't feel like a trap I'll state what I see. The outside wrestler can't be scored on in this situation. The inside wrestler can't pursue out of bounds and could even be tagged for a shoot out or stalling. The inside wrestler might be better served by moving forward and stepping out to save clock time if he is behind, which is probably the case if the outside wrestler is standing where he can't be scored on.

Is this something a ref should even be saying as it could give an advantage to one or the other wrestlers? Depending on how well either follows directions.
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I am not a fan of refs saying circle to the center. That is coaching and should be left to the coaching. I hear it said and I will challenge the ref why are you coaching. My feeling is you should say action as that can be directed to both wrestlers. And if you are the wrestler working to the edge with your butt pointing to the outside then you are the one most likely to be hit with stalling.

Not understanding why you feel the inside wrestler would be tagged for stalling if he pursues (which I assume you mean shoots)?

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As an official, I always try to the outside of the wrestlers who are near the edge, then instruct them to "work in" which is actually work away from me. The outside presence and the voice prevents many situations we want to avoid. Wrestling on the edge, the wrestler with his back to the center not allowing the other wrestler back into the wrestling area (which would be stalling on that wrestler - and could be even if he is shooting out of bound knowing there is no risk), and the wrestler who is or may be playing the edge. The location of the official giving the command is the key IMO. I learned this trick from two hall of fame Mn officials when I started officiating in the mid 70's and it works just as well today.
Edited by KodiakCoach, Dec 10 2017, 03:38 AM.
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Im trying to understand why the inside wrestler would get hit with stalling?
Are we not trying to promote aggressive wrestling? I can understand if you simply push a wrestler out. but if he shoots on his opponent and ends up out of bounds how would that be stalling? On the other hand do you hit the inside wrestler with stalling if he breaks contact and returns to the 10' circle? I guess what i really want to know is what info are you looking for from this post?
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I want to know how to avoid chasing a kid to the edge and then giving him a free pass back to center to chase him right back to the edge. The kid moving forward is the one stepping into danger while the kid backing up can shoot at anytime with his opponent moving into him. Standing in the center when the opponent backs away is no good if your kid is behind on the score board. I know they are different rules, but collage and international rules penalize the wrestler who leaves the circle.
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The rules state that backing up, avoiding wrestling, not wrestling aggressively to score points is stalling (or at time fleeing the mat). The referees should be calling the above situations. As for the Asic's statement and the middle wrestler stalling: Just because he is on the inside doesn't mean he is working to score. Shooting on the edge gives the impression that he is aggressively working to score, when actually he is simply trying. to give the impression with no real intent to score. Thus continued shooting out of bounds IS STALLING or could be considered intentionally going out of the wrestling area. Ding the individual once and although his coach will get upset, he'll pretty much stop and the action will move towards the center. It is judgement on the official on how to push the action on the mat not on the edge. Stalling on backing up, backing off the mat when in jeopardy can be called stalling or fleeing the mat and should be called. Constantly pushing the action to the edge and out of bounds could be called stalling and the wrestler should be warned and penalized if he continues. Aggressively wrestling to score is different than simply wrestling aggressively.
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