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Gophers seeded at big ten
Topic Started: Feb 5 2018, 05:45 PM (11,751 Views)
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Where will everyone be seed come tournament time
125 Ethan Lizak 5-6
133 McKee 3
141 Thorn 2-4
149 Brancale bottom
157 short 7-8
165 wanzek 5(unless he beats wick)
174 Pfarr 10
184 Krone 8-9
197
285 strifiel 7
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Land shark
Feb 5 2018, 05:45 PM
Where will everyone be seed come tournament time
125 Ethan Lizak 5-6
133 McKee 3
141 Thorn 2-4
149 Brancale bottom
157 short 7-8
165 wanzek 5(unless he beats wick)
174 Pfarr 10
184 Krone 8-9
197
285 strifiel 7
Seems about right.
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Feb 5 2018, 06:00 PM
Yikes
Doesn’t look pretty but they’re about right I suppose.
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Wanzek already lost to Wick, and won't see him again.

Edited by MNRodent, Feb 5 2018, 09:15 PM.
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Feb 5 2018, 05:45 PM
Where will everyone be seed come tournament time
125 Ethan Lizak 5-6
133 McKee 3
141 Thorn 2-4
149 Brancale bottom
157 short 7-8
165 wanzek 5(unless he beats wick)
174 Pfarr 10
184 Krone 8-9
197
285 strifiel 7
That is assuming they wrestle well against Rutgers and MD. McKee could have a decent match...

I would assume Bleise makes it back by then
Edited by DWB79, Feb 5 2018, 09:20 PM.
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Will Lizak get teched by Suriano?
Edited by DMC, Feb 5 2018, 09:28 PM.
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Didn't last year I don't believe...
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Feb 5 2018, 09:48 PM
Didn't last year I don't believe...
Last year Lizak lost 8-6 to NS.
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I see Suriano with four TDs and a tilt. Lizak with three escapes when Suriano cuts him, maybe a fourth escape. Lizak will need a tilt to prevent a major decision.
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I think that it is clear to most that the weight cut is really trying for Lizak this year. Last year he had 43 takedowns, yet only 13 so far this year.
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Yeah...I would bet a ton of money he is at 133 next year and Mitch redshirts...
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So, if you are correct, what are everyone's predictions if he will ever AA at 133? I don't see it happening.
Edited by 18576, Feb 7 2018, 10:39 PM.
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Feb 7 2018, 10:39 PM
So, if you are correct, what are everyone's predictions if he will ever AA at 133? I don't see it happening.
I believe he's beaten #9 ranked Jack Mueller at 133....outside of that, I don't know how many of the top 8 he has wrestled or would match up well. Bridges and DeSanto are Fr. so there might not be any history there. Brock, Micic , and Pletcher are all very good Sophs. (in order for Fix and Piccininni to make the lineup, I suspect Brock might have to go up to 141). Erneste has been solid for Missouri, Parker hasn't been in the lineup much this year. Some rumors are that Gross may go up to 141.

If Lizak finishes between 6th-8th and #9 Mueller replaces Parker and the top 8 ranked guys place at 133, I suspect with No graduating seniors and maybe 2 move ups, he'd still be in the 6th-8th ranked area. No idea for sure, but if he can translate his top game to the slightly taller guys (on average) 133lbers and do well, he could translate into a solid 133lber.
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He beat 7th ranked Josh Terao 15-6. His two wins over Jack Mueller were 7-0 and 10-2. He’d be just fine at 133.
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Feb 8 2018, 07:10 AM
He beat 7th ranked Josh Terao 15-6. His two wins over Jack Mueller were 7-0 and 10-2. He’d be just fine at 133.
He WILL be just fine at 133
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Intermat doesn't have him at #7...think he was outside the top 10
Edited by DWB79, Feb 8 2018, 10:02 AM.
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Feb 8 2018, 09:49 AM
Intermat doesn't have him at #7...
Flo does and they have Mueller at 8.
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I'd be interested to see if Lizak would be able to even sniff the 2nd period with Desanto.
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Feb 8 2018, 11:18 AM
I'd be interested to see if Lizak would be able to even sniff the 2nd period with Desanto.
If a lot of his issues are coming from the cut (which seems like a very reasonable assumption) I think that he could sniff a second period with Desanto. Maybe if Lizak was cutting to 125 and wrestling him, but if Lizak is able to wrestle 33 we really have no idea what he’s going to wrestle like.
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Feb 8 2018, 11:23 AM
Get after it
Feb 8 2018, 11:18 AM
I'd be interested to see if Lizak would be able to even sniff the 2nd period with Desanto.
If a lot of his issues are coming from the cut (which seems like a very reasonable assumption) I think that he could sniff a second period with Desanto. Maybe if Lizak was cutting to 125 and wrestling him, but if Lizak is able to wrestle 33 we really have no idea what he’s going to wrestle like.
Still like how everyone is an expert on how much each wrestler is cutting. As I've stated previously, it's very possible that his issues are in no way related to a cut.
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Feb 8 2018, 03:57 PM
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Feb 8 2018, 11:23 AM
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Feb 8 2018, 11:18 AM
I'd be interested to see if Lizak would be able to even sniff the 2nd period with Desanto.
If a lot of his issues are coming from the cut (which seems like a very reasonable assumption) I think that he could sniff a second period with Desanto. Maybe if Lizak was cutting to 125 and wrestling him, but if Lizak is able to wrestle 33 we really have no idea what he’s going to wrestle like.
Still like how everyone is an expert on how much each wrestler is cutting. As I've stated previously, it's very possible that his issues are in no way related to a cut.
I don’t think anyone is guaranteeing that’s the reason, but the drop off in his performance combined with the natural assumption that 18-23 year old men tend to grow over time, makes it entirely okay to speculate.
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It’s also possible certain challenges are related to the cut.

I vote cut.
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I have been wrong before but I don't see him AA as a 133. I hope I am wrong.
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Feb 8 2018, 05:35 PM
I have been wrong before but I don't see him AA as a 133. I hope I am wrong.
I mean, the way he’s wrestling lately do we see him AA’ing at 125?
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Feb 8 2018, 05:52 PM
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Feb 8 2018, 05:35 PM
I have been wrong before but I don't see him AA as a 133. I hope I am wrong.
I mean, the way he’s wrestling lately do we see him AA’ing at 125?
Yes, I see him as a low AA candidate at 125 and would be surprised if he didn’t. He doesn’t wrestle well against the elite, but to me, he’s on par with everyone else and he usually does well tournament time.

I also think he would low AA at 133 as well especially if he adds on muscle and more stamina. He won’t be a top guy but he’d certainly be ranked higher than McKee IMO
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Feb 8 2018, 04:01 PM
It’s also possible certain challenges are related to the cut.

I vote cut.
***Disclaimer*** I support this program 110%, and I am not criticizing the coaching staff. My comments below are thoughts I've had supporting others people's comments on this thread!

I hate to even dip my toes in the waters on this topic, but I have been wondering since the middle of last year, if some of our guys are cutting too much weight?

I think somebody on this thread made a great observation on Lizak' TD stats this year vs last year. I do think it could partially be due to the weight cut. He might not feel strong due to the weight cut, therefore he might be and consciously he might not

I feel like historically this program has a history of having the guys cut a lot of weight.

My personal wrestling experience taught me that cutting too much weight actually hinders my performance, but I did not wrestle in college and may have not been going about cutting weight correctly. I am sure at the D1 level, these programs have the weight cut process down to a science....
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Feb 8 2018, 07:55 PM
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Feb 8 2018, 04:01 PM
It’s also possible certain challenges are related to the cut.

I vote cut.
***Disclaimer*** I support this program 110%, and I am not criticizing the coaching staff. My comments below are thoughts I've had supporting others people's comments on this thread!

I hate to even dip my toes in the waters on this topic, but I have been wondering since the middle of last year, if some of our guys are cutting too much weight?

I think somebody on this thread made a great observation on Lizak' TD stats this year vs last year. I do think it could partially be due to the weight cut. He might not feel strong due to the weight cut, therefore he might be and consciously he might not

I feel like historically this program has a history of having the guys cut a lot of weight.

My personal wrestling experience taught me that cutting too much weight actually hinders my performance, but I did not wrestle in college and may have not been going about cutting weight correctly. I am sure at the D1 level, these programs have the weight cut process down to a science....
IF, and that's a big if, anyone is cutting too much weight it would be a very small group in my opinion. Maybe Lizak, but who knows. I think McKee is at the weight he should be at with his style, but if someone close to him said that he was cutting too much weight I would buy it. Other than those two I don't see it. Thorns got a slender build, Short wrestled the first half of his career at 149, Wanzek looks as good now as he ever has, and after Wanzek I think most people would agree that we look undersized more often than not.
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I agree that we look undersized often at most weights.
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Some guy on Iowa’s forum did the breakdown of allocation spots for the big ten weights. Doesn’t have Krone and Anderson listed, but gives a good idea.

After coaches rankings and RPI update:

125 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Suriano 100 2 2
Lee 92.31 3 N/A
Tomasello 83.33 14 N/A
Lizak 83.33 7 5
Rivera 86.96 8 4
Mattin 70.83 10 6
Welch 79.31 14 3
Piotrowski 72.22 18 N/A
Oliver 68.00 24 20
Foley 75.86 20 13
Maginnis 55.56 N/A N/A
Cray 47.62 N/A N/A
Jimenez 25.00 N/A N/A
Kuhn 00.00 N/A N/A

133 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Pletcher 100 2 2
Micic 88.24 5 1
McKee 75.00 12 N/A
DelVeccho 83.33 15 5
Thornton 74.19 21 23
Keener 66.67 21 17
Duncan 71.43 27 25
Valvidiez 60.00 26 31
Lantz 64.00 N/A 30
Pepple 44.44 N/A N/A
Glynn 42.86 N/A N/A
Santos 30.77 N/A N/A
Simmons 14.29 N/A N/A
Renteria 80.00 N/A N/A

141 Win% Coach Rank RPI
J McKenna 90.91 7 N/A
Lee 84.00 8 5
Thorn 68.00 11 15
Red 68.18 12 12
Van Brill 57.14 N/A 19
Gasca 55.00 23 26
Weaver 72.41 19 11
Stickley 71.43 22 17
Carr 76.47 15 10
Limmex 63.64 16 20
Diehl 50.00 N/A N/A
Happel 63.16 N/A N/A
Profaci 50.00 28 23
A McKenna 40.00 N/A N/A

149 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Retherford 100 1 5
Sorensen 100 2 1
Deakin 86.21 5 10
Hayes 83.33 6 7
McCrystal 83.33 11 9
Bannister 72.73 18 15
Deluca 53.33 12 N/A
Bleise 75.00 17 12
Amine 60.00 25 20
Martin 66.67 N/A N/A
Tunon 53.57 N/A N/A
Barone 42.11 N/A 32
Britton 44.44 N/A N/A
Nash 27.27 N/A N/A

157 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Nolf 94.74 1 2
Kemerer 100 2 3
Jordan 86.96 5 6
Pantaleo 75.00 7 N/A
Berger 77.27 8 5
Van Brill 66.67 16 9
Crone 74.07 18 20
Short 52.63 20 21
Langenderfer 58.82 28 N/A
Danishek 66.67 N/A N/A
Tucker 53.33 N/A N/A
Parriott 59.09 N/A N/A
Cochran 57.89 N/A N/A
Oster 37.50 N/A N/A

165 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Joseph 100 1 N/A
Martinez 100 2 N/A
Marinelli 100 6 N/A
Wick 90.91 4 8
Massa 71.43 7 N/A
Lewis 78.57 11 N/A
Wanzek 79.17 10 4
Campbell 65.00 15 2
White 80.95 12 6
Morrissey 57.58 26 21
Burnham 41.67 N/A N/A
Hiles 40.74 N/A N/A
Sepke 36.00 N/A N/A
Hoey 39.13 N/A N/A

174 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Hall 100 2 1
Jordan 85.71 3 7
Amine 76.19 6 6
Sebastian 75.86 17 13
Skatza 71.43 20 18
Lydy 72.97 11 15
Gunther 80.00 23 N/A
Grello 63.16 N/A 22
Christensen 62.96 27 25
Breske 50.00 N/A N/A
Pfarr 54.55 33 23
Ugalde 50.00 N/A N/A
Ritchie 37.04 N/A N/A
Riojas 14.19 N/A N/A

184 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Nickal 100 1 2
Martin 95.65 2 3
Abounader 85.00 4 4
Parker 94.44 5 N/A
Gravina 78.57 14 N/A
Robertson 84.62 8 11
Venz 78.26 7 6
Bowman 58.82 19 N/A
Lyon 57.14 N/A N/A
Sliga 56.00 27 25
Webster 72.73 N/A N/A
Conley 48.15 N/A 29
Shadaia 32.00 N/A N/A
Cappello 20.00 N/A N/A

197 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Moore 94.74 1 3
Cassar 88.24 5 4
Beazley 70.59 11 N/A
Wilcke 83.33 8 9
Brunner 75.00 22 11
Ritter 72.00 26 25
Schultz 70.00 24 26
Whisler 76.92 N/A N/A
Chakonis 50.00 N/A N/A
Hinz 46.67 N/A N/A
Lee 47.37 N/A N/A
Steveson 30.77 N/A N/A
May 28.00 N/A N/A
Messner 20.00 N/A N/A

285 Win% Coach Rank RPI
Snyder 100 1 N/A
Coon 100 2 1
Stoll 93.75 3 N/A
Nevills 82.61 8 7
Hermida 91.30 7 3
Streck 69.44 15 8
Jennings 68.00 20 15
Gross 58.33 N/A 26
Miller 58.33 N/A N/A
Jensen 50.00 N/A N/A
Rachal 47.37 N/A 32
Streifel 42.11 N/A 29
Stone 36.84 N/A N/A
Rebottaro 44.44 N/A N/A

Allocations per weight class if season ended today based on meeting 2 out of 3 criteria

125 —10
133 — 7
141 —10
149 —8
157 —8
165 —10
174 —8
184 —8
197 —7
285 —7
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