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Topic Started: Jun 4 2018, 10:14 AM (7,874 Views)
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mndak
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Jun 22 2018, 09:17 AM
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- getyourpoints
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- Jun 21 2018, 03:38 PM
Question if the other team has a good wrestler at that weight why would they need to cut the kids at 106?
They wouldn't. That's the whole point of this proposal. If both teams have good wrestlers there, there will be a varsity match there. What you narrow minded guys don't seem to understand is that this proposal will likely increase the number of matches each kid has every year, NOT decrease them. They may not all be on varsity, but who cares??? Development is development. A JV match is better than getting your hand raised via FF on varsity as far as development is concerned. Again, if any of you would rather see your kid get a varsity FF than wrestle a JV match...then your priorities are in the wrong place.
Again your wrong making blanket statements about what parents and coaches priorities are. This proposal wont magically create more matches like your claiming. It wont develop better wrestlers and it most likely wont change the out come of very many duals. What it does is punishes varsity caliber kids by taking away their opportunity to develop as wrestler. If your not going to wrestle the match on Varsity.....what makes you think there will be a match at jv??? Most likely not.....but if you have a kid at that weight....why not wrestle him on varsity??? Because one coach doesnt want to give up points????
I thought teams wanted to go to 12 weight classes because in their smaller communities they were struggling to get kids out? But now there will be enough opportunities for a 195 pounder to get a JV match? I would think both those kids most likely were on varsity already? So one team has a 195 pound stud, this kid has already committed to playing football at a D2 college and the other team has a 195 pound 8th grader with tons of upside but currently is a bit chunky and has only been wrestling for 1 or 2 years that team is going to allow them to wrestle a JV match?? I am guessing no, so in that situation I would think the wrestler and the team would prefer the varsity FF.
Typically in that situation they would bump the stud wrestler to the next weight class.
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Jun 22 2018, 09:41 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong but haven’t some of these schools already converted there wrestling rooms into class rooms.
You are opening a whole new can of worms here, where does the school get the money to start a wrestling program? Where do they find coaches prepared to coach and deal with HS issues? Where do they get the budget money to pay the coaches? How long will it take to start a youth program to feed the HS program?
These euphoric ideas are great and we should try and think big but many of the schools could not even field 12 wrestlers before they Co-Op’ed their programs. So could you imagine the impressive human it would take to reopen these programs??
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mndak
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Jun 22 2018, 09:52 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong but haven’t some of these schools already converted there wrestling rooms into class rooms.
You are opening a whole new can of worms here, where does the school get the money to start a wrestling program? Where do they find coaches prepared to coach and deal with HS issues? Where do they get the budget money to pay the coaches? How long will it take to start a youth program to feed the HS program?
These euphoric ideas are great and we should try and think big but many of the schools could not even field 12 wrestlers before they Co-Op’ed their programs. So could you imagine the impressive human it would take to reopen these programs??
When feasible separating co-ops would be a great way to grow the sport.
Wrestling doesn't just die off completely in a community when they co-op with a neighboring school.
Most youth programs either move with to the current host or keep running within their current community to keep kids wrestling. It takes a 7-8 year commitment to build a youth program that feeds a healthy Varsity program. It would be very difficult for any administration to turn down any extra curricular activity if you can show evidence of participation at the junior high and highschool levels.
The highschool will be obligated to provide a certain level of funding, but your already established club can help fund other areas, much mist booster clubs already do.
It's a long road but it could be possible in several of these larger school co-ops.
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Jun 22 2018, 10:26 AM
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You are totally looking at this 106 thing the wrong way. I am not looking at it as a match by match situation. Look at it as a whole season development for THE wrestler. Majority of our ELITE wrestlers to come through Minnesota started at the lowest weights of 103 or 106. They spend their whole season battling kids who are the top kids at that weight in the state whether they are in 7th, 8th, 9th grade. Kids that age and that small don't have the option of "bumping up". Kid weighs 100lbs and is forced to move up to 113, he's giving up over 10% of his own weight. That's like telling your best 152 lber to bump up and wrestle the best 170 lbers in the state. And your option for them is, go wrestle JV? Yeah cause that's going to do them a lot of good going the whole season wrestling most likely 30 second matches. It's a wasted year of development.
Stop thinking about match by match and think about the development of the actual wrestlers as a whole. Putting kids in position to wrestle the best competition is what it's about. And as a STATE as a whole having those younger kids wrestling the very best matches is very important.
At 195 scenario, they actually have options. If you wrestle 195 you are that heavy and are very capable of putting on weight to wrestle that next weight, and if you're on the smaller side you have the option of cutting. Taking away 106 gives that young wrestler zero option. They can't pack muscle on at that age and their is no weight to "cut" to.
Your option for them is JV...
Who do you think that superior 100 pound kid wrestles at practice everyday? 90% of the time it's probably the 113lber or even 120lber. The whole argument that kids get injured wrestling up a weight or two i don't understand. Personally weighed 180 as a freshman and consistently wrestled 215lbers that were older, bigger and stronger than me and never got hurt. Nor have i ever witnessed someone getting hurt simply because they were smaller.
The point was not injury, it was strength. When you weight 100 lbs, someone who is 10-15 lbs bigger than you is a huge disadvantage in size and strength
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Jul 5 2018, 08:15 AM
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You are totally looking at this 106 thing the wrong way. I am not looking at it as a match by match situation. Look at it as a whole season development for THE wrestler. Majority of our ELITE wrestlers to come through Minnesota started at the lowest weights of 103 or 106. They spend their whole season battling kids who are the top kids at that weight in the state whether they are in 7th, 8th, 9th grade. Kids that age and that small don't have the option of "bumping up". Kid weighs 100lbs and is forced to move up to 113, he's giving up over 10% of his own weight. That's like telling your best 152 lber to bump up and wrestle the best 170 lbers in the state. And your option for them is, go wrestle JV? Yeah cause that's going to do them a lot of good going the whole season wrestling most likely 30 second matches. It's a wasted year of development.
Stop thinking about match by match and think about the development of the actual wrestlers as a whole. Putting kids in position to wrestle the best competition is what it's about. And as a STATE as a whole having those younger kids wrestling the very best matches is very important.
At 195 scenario, they actually have options. If you wrestle 195 you are that heavy and are very capable of putting on weight to wrestle that next weight, and if you're on the smaller side you have the option of cutting. Taking away 106 gives that young wrestler zero option. They can't pack muscle on at that age and their is no weight to "cut" to.
Your option for them is JV...
Who do you think that superior 100 pound kid wrestles at practice everyday? 90% of the time it's probably the 113lber or even 120lber. The whole argument that kids get injured wrestling up a weight or two i don't understand. Personally weighed 180 as a freshman and consistently wrestled 215lbers that were older, bigger and stronger than me and never got hurt. Nor have i ever witnessed someone getting hurt simply because they were smaller.
The point was not injury, it was strength. When you weight 100 lbs, someone who is 10-15 lbs bigger than you is a huge disadvantage in size and strength
I understand and agree with your point, however I agree giving up 10-15 pounds of muscle and speed is an equal disadvantage at every weight class.
The NHFS came up with the weight classes based on a weight curve at age 16. They choose 16 because that is the average age a student/athlete makes varsity for the first time across all sports.
The 106 pound weight class was kept in place to help transition more girls in to the sport.
Again I am very against cutting of any weight classes to help keep dual scores closer and more competitive when other simple scoring changes fix a big part of the issue.
International dual scoring is a much smarter solution over eliminating kids from the sport.
5points for a pin.
4 points for a tech
3 points for a shutout
3 POINTS FOR ANY FF WEIGHT WITh OUT A WRESTLER THAT PINCHED FOR THAT WIGHT ON THE TEAM. This isn’t part of the scoring, this is a suggestion.
1 point to the defeated wrestler if he or she scored a 2 point score in the match
So if you can’t fill two weight classes it cost you only 6points. How is the simple change not better then cutting kids from the sport??
Last week we were in Ohio at Jordan camp and this idea was put out and 100% of the 12-15 coaches present including Coach Jordan felt it was a much better solution to a challenging topic.
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