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Transfers; a new age
Topic Started: Jun 4 2018, 03:03 PM (7,685 Views)
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We have definitely entered as new phase of college wrestling. I can not remember when we had this many transfers. This year

Today:
Joe Guenther to Illinois
Keegan Moore to UNI

College wrestling has moved into two different recruiting cycles.
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Gary Wayne Harding to North Carolina
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here is a list I found

Ethan Andersen - Iowa State
Connor Brown - Wisconsin
Christian Colucci - Rutgers
Lorenzo De La Riva - NDSU
Austin DeSanto - Iowa
Dakota Geer - Oklahoma State
Fred Green - Oregon State
Joey Gunther - Illinois
Gary Wayne Harding - North Carolina
Billy Miller - VA Tech
Zeke Moisey - Nebraska
Keegan Moore - No. Iowa
Korbin Myers - VA Tech
Justin Oliver - NC State
Sa'Derian Perry - Old Dominion
Sean Russell - Minnesota
Connor Schram - Lehigh
Devin Skatzka - Minnesota
Tom Sleigh - VA Tech
Mason Smith - Arizona State
Tanner Smith - Chattanooga
Kanen Storr - Michigan
 
Andrew Dunn ???
Jason Renteria ???
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Edited by thegambler, Jun 13 2018, 10:30 AM.
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Jun 13 2018, 10:27 AM
Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Is it the kids or the parents (entitlement)? Seems like a learned issue. The way kids are is usually what they have learned at home.
Edited by tr29, Jun 13 2018, 11:35 AM.
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Inside the NCAA

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DI Council adopts proposal that allows student-athletes to transfer and receive a scholarship without asking their school for permission. The rule change goes into effect in October:
https://
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11:19 AM - Jun 13, 2018

New transfer rule eliminates permission-to-contact process
Beginning in October, Division I student-athletes will have the ability to transfer to a different school and receive a scholarship without asking their current school for permission.
ncaa.org
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I believe this means we will have two recruiting seasons. I also think we will see less kids early commit. They will wait to see what happens in the transfer season
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Being a Gopher fan I think that adds a lot more excitement to the sport, we always have ways of adding to our lineup and all Top 10 programs will have that opportunity. This will definitely hurt smaller colleges though and it will make it tougher for teams under top 20 to keep their kids. If a kid has a good year at like Drexler (DeSanto) maybe he wants to wrestle for a better school and wrestle the toughest competition (Iowa).

But this also gives that kid that wasn't recruited hard by top colleges to still obtain that dream of wrestling for their school of choice if they come outof the gates like an animal
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Jun 13 2018, 10:27 AM
Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
This is the same mentality that creates all these articles titled "Millennials are killing (insert any industry or type of business that has not adapted to its customers or young talented workers)". If my skills are in demand I am going where I want and getting the best value for my time. In this case talented wrestlers will go where they get the mat time, culture, academics, etc. they value and that may change year over year... especially when coaches leave.

Businesses are the same way talented people will go where the money, better hours, or most often, where better management is. Then poor management blames it on poor loyalty of this generation or "they aren't willing work hard enough" or they didn't pay their dues. In reality these are all excuses for the business or management themselves not adopting to what its workers or customers that they want to keep truly value. Sports teams are no different, if you have the talent it is on the coaches and the school to keep them there. They don't owe the school anything, scholarships and the other aspects that go with selecting a school/team are just compensation for those skills and if someone else has a better offer don't blame them for taking it.
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Jun 13 2018, 10:27 AM
Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Bull crap! There have always been entitled people in this world and it's not just a millennial issue.

I see the change driven by a few different circumstances.

1. The NCAA sees the writing on the wall and doesn't want to get into a legal dispute over athletes being controlled by colleges. This type of litigation could help define athletes as employees and negatively effect the "armature" label the NCAA likes to advertise.

2. Little Johnny's dad has been jumping clubs and high-schools to get Johnny the best environment to excel in. Why would Johnny all of a sudden have loyalty when he goes to college? He is a special one of a kind athlete and will go to any length to achieve his dreams.

3.there are legitimate reasons to transfer and a coach with a grudge should not stop an athlete from seeking a healthier environment.

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Jun 13 2018, 10:27 AM
Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Bull crap! There have always been entitled people in this world and it's not just a millennial issue.

I see the change driven by a few different circumstances.

1. The NCAA sees the writing on the wall and doesn't want to get into a legal dispute over athletes being controlled by colleges. This type of litigation could help define athletes as employees and negatively effect the "armature" label the NCAA likes to advertise.

2. Little Johnny's dad has been jumping clubs and high-schools to get Johnny the best environment to excel in. Why would Johnny all of a sudden have loyalty when he goes to college? He is a special one of a kind athlete and will go to any length to achieve his dreams.

3.there are legitimate reasons to transfer and a coach with a grudge should not stop an athlete from seeking a healthier environment.

If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Bull crap! There have always been entitled people in this world and it's not just a millennial issue.

I see the change driven by a few different circumstances.

1. The NCAA sees the writing on the wall and doesn't want to get into a legal dispute over athletes being controlled by colleges. This type of litigation could help define athletes as employees and negatively effect the "armature" label the NCAA likes to advertise.

2. Little Johnny's dad has been jumping clubs and high-schools to get Johnny the best environment to excel in. Why would Johnny all of a sudden have loyalty when he goes to college? He is a special one of a kind athlete and will go to any length to achieve his dreams.

3.there are legitimate reasons to transfer and a coach with a grudge should not stop an athlete from seeking a healthier environment.

If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
Or just give "little Johnny's Dad" a job running a wrestling camp and you'll keep him there all 4 years.
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Jun 13 2018, 05:44 PM
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Jun 13 2018, 10:27 AM
Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
This is the same mentality that creates all these articles titled "Millennials are killing (insert any industry or type of business that has not adapted to its customers or young talented workers)". If my skills are in demand I am going where I want and getting the best value for my time. In this case talented wrestlers will go where they get the mat time, culture, academics, etc. they value and that may change year over year... especially when coaches leave.

Businesses are the same way talented people will go where the money, better hours, or most often, where better management is. Then poor management blames it on poor loyalty of this generation or "they aren't willing work hard enough" or they didn't pay their dues. In reality these are all excuses for the business or management themselves not adopting to what its workers or customers that they want to keep truly value. Sports teams are no different, if you have the talent it is on the coaches and the school to keep them there. They don't owe the school anything, scholarships and the other aspects that go with selecting a school/team are just compensation for those skills and if someone else has a better offer don't blame them for taking it.
Yes Grasshopper :huh:
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
This is the same mentality that creates all these articles titled "Millennials are killing (insert any industry or type of business that has not adapted to its customers or young talented workers)". If my skills are in demand I am going where I want and getting the best value for my time. In this case talented wrestlers will go where they get the mat time, culture, academics, etc. they value and that may change year over year... especially when coaches leave.

Businesses are the same way talented people will go where the money, better hours, or most often, where better management is. Then poor management blames it on poor loyalty of this generation or "they aren't willing work hard enough" or they didn't pay their dues. In reality these are all excuses for the business or management themselves not adopting to what its workers or customers that they want to keep truly value. Sports teams are no different, if you have the talent it is on the coaches and the school to keep them there. They don't owe the school anything, scholarships and the other aspects that go with selecting a school/team are just compensation for those skills and if someone else has a better offer don't blame them for taking it.
^^ truth.

Gettin' tired of old people complaining about millenials, and I'm getting pretty old myself.
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Spare us all this BS.

Do you work for a boss you dont like or a company that doesnt fit your needs? (If so you are a fool)
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Bull crap! There have always been entitled people in this world and it's not just a millennial issue.

I see the change driven by a few different circumstances.

1. The NCAA sees the writing on the wall and doesn't want to get into a legal dispute over athletes being controlled by colleges. This type of litigation could help define athletes as employees and negatively effect the "armature" label the NCAA likes to advertise.

2. Little Johnny's dad has been jumping clubs and high-schools to get Johnny the best environment to excel in. Why would Johnny all of a sudden have loyalty when he goes to college? He is a special one of a kind athlete and will go to any length to achieve his dreams.

3.there are legitimate reasons to transfer and a coach with a grudge should not stop an athlete from seeking a healthier environment.

If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
I like that you say a contract is a contract unless they cut you. That seems pretty one sided no? Why would anyone willfully advocate for such ridiculous terms. One side needs to honor it because it's a contract while the other side who also agreed to such a contract gets to toss it aside because they determined they didnt like their side any more

How asinine.
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Bull crap! There have always been entitled people in this world and it's not just a millennial issue.

I see the change driven by a few different circumstances.

1. The NCAA sees the writing on the wall and doesn't want to get into a legal dispute over athletes being controlled by colleges. This type of litigation could help define athletes as employees and negatively effect the "armature" label the NCAA likes to advertise.

2. Little Johnny's dad has been jumping clubs and high-schools to get Johnny the best environment to excel in. Why would Johnny all of a sudden have loyalty when he goes to college? He is a special one of a kind athlete and will go to any length to achieve his dreams.

3.there are legitimate reasons to transfer and a coach with a grudge should not stop an athlete from seeking a healthier environment.

If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
I like that you say a contract is a contract unless they cut you. That seems pretty one sided no? Why would anyone willfully advocate for such ridiculous terms. One side needs to honor it because it's a contract while the other side who also agreed to such a contract gets to toss it aside because they determined they didnt like their side any more

How asinine.
Says the millennial ......... :huh:
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I don't like this. Kids should be free to go wherever they want, but they should be held accountable to their rules and "contract", UNLESS something major changes. That's obviously a gray area, but the reason schools have the upper hand in any contract: They're giving that student financial support to attend an institution of academics.
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I don't like this. Kids should be free to go wherever they want, but they should be held accountable to their rules and "contract", UNLESS something major changes. That's obviously a gray area, but the reason schools have the upper hand in any contract: They're giving that student financial support to attend an institution of academics.
Many are not getting much financial help....so should they be held to the same standards?
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If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
I like that you say a contract is a contract unless they cut you. That seems pretty one sided no? Why would anyone willfully advocate for such ridiculous terms. One side needs to honor it because it's a contract while the other side who also agreed to such a contract gets to toss it aside because they determined they didnt like their side any more

How asinine.
Says the millennial ......... :huh:
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It does not matter if you like the transferring freely or not. The rule is now that any kid can transfer. The question is what effect does this have on coaching, recruiting, early commitments? Is it good for the gophers? Do the rich get richer? Do smaller programs get kids from big programs that no they will not start? Do coaches have to change the way they address kids, so they don't just up and leave. How do you recruit, just high school or active with kids who are backups at good programs?
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Bull crap! There have always been entitled people in this world and it's not just a millennial issue.

I see the change driven by a few different circumstances.

1. The NCAA sees the writing on the wall and doesn't want to get into a legal dispute over athletes being controlled by colleges. This type of litigation could help define athletes as employees and negatively effect the "armature" label the NCAA likes to advertise.

2. Little Johnny's dad has been jumping clubs and high-schools to get Johnny the best environment to excel in. Why would Johnny all of a sudden have loyalty when he goes to college? He is a special one of a kind athlete and will go to any length to achieve his dreams.

3.there are legitimate reasons to transfer and a coach with a grudge should not stop an athlete from seeking a healthier environment.

If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
I like that you say a contract is a contract unless they cut you. That seems pretty one sided no? Why would anyone willfully advocate for such ridiculous terms. One side needs to honor it because it's a contract while the other side who also agreed to such a contract gets to toss it aside because they determined they didnt like their side any more

How asinine.
Happens all the time in the real world. It's called an "at will" state. Employers can fire an employee for any reason. Did you just miss the Bon Homme Sheriff in South Dakota that just fired his deputy who ran against him 1 minute after the deputy defeated him by a 3-1 margin in the polls.

I don't agree with it but it happens.
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If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
I like that you say a contract is a contract unless they cut you. That seems pretty one sided no? Why would anyone willfully advocate for such ridiculous terms. One side needs to honor it because it's a contract while the other side who also agreed to such a contract gets to toss it aside because they determined they didnt like their side any more

How asinine.
Happens all the time in the real world. It's called an "at will" state. Employers can fire an employee for any reason. Did you just miss the Bon Homme Sheriff in South Dakota that just fired his deputy who ran against him 1 minute after the deputy defeated him by a 3-1 margin in the polls.

I don't agree with it but it happens.
Right. And employees are free to get a new job whenever they like too. That's the point.
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I like that you say a contract is a contract unless they cut you. That seems pretty one sided no? Why would anyone willfully advocate for such ridiculous terms. One side needs to honor it because it's a contract while the other side who also agreed to such a contract gets to toss it aside because they determined they didnt like their side any more

How asinine.
Happens all the time in the real world. It's called an "at will" state. Employers can fire an employee for any reason. Did you just miss the Bon Homme Sheriff in South Dakota that just fired his deputy who ran against him 1 minute after the deputy defeated him by a 3-1 margin in the polls.

I don't agree with it but it happens.
Right. And employees are free to get a new job whenever they like too. That's the point.
If more people got fired, the world would be a better place.

If more people quit, the world would be full of quitters.

What don’t you understand ?
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Bull crap! There have always been entitled people in this world and it's not just a millennial issue.

I see the change driven by a few different circumstances.

1. The NCAA sees the writing on the wall and doesn't want to get into a legal dispute over athletes being controlled by colleges. This type of litigation could help define athletes as employees and negatively effect the "armature" label the NCAA likes to advertise.

2. Little Johnny's dad has been jumping clubs and high-schools to get Johnny the best environment to excel in. Why would Johnny all of a sudden have loyalty when he goes to college? He is a special one of a kind athlete and will go to any length to achieve his dreams.

3.there are legitimate reasons to transfer and a coach with a grudge should not stop an athlete from seeking a healthier environment.

If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
Any PSA who stays at the institution of their NLI for one academic year has fulfilled their contact. The language of the NLI clearly states this and the NLI is the only contact PSA's sign.
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Enter the generation of the entitled wrestler. Today's kids want instant gratification.
Nobody willing to work for it. Everyone wants it handed to them. or thinks they deserve more attention without earning it.
Bull crap! There have always been entitled people in this world and it's not just a millennial issue.

I see the change driven by a few different circumstances.

1. The NCAA sees the writing on the wall and doesn't want to get into a legal dispute over athletes being controlled by colleges. This type of litigation could help define athletes as employees and negatively effect the "armature" label the NCAA likes to advertise.

2. Little Johnny's dad has been jumping clubs and high-schools to get Johnny the best environment to excel in. Why would Johnny all of a sudden have loyalty when he goes to college? He is a special one of a kind athlete and will go to any length to achieve his dreams.

3.there are legitimate reasons to transfer and a coach with a grudge should not stop an athlete from seeking a healthier environment.

If a coach has a grudge then there should be an appeal process, but other than that I disagree with your take.

When you sign an agreement you should be held accountable to it, unless a release is granted. All the transfers that have happened were granted, because most coaches don't want someone in the program who doesn't want to be. There are obviously exceptions, but if you start a program (walk on campus your freshman year) there needs to be a good reason, you shouldn't be a free agent your entire career. It's just not right.

You sign a contract in the Pros, you stay unless they either trade you, cut you or run out your contract. As it should be. A contract is a contract.

Little Johnnys dad needs to go away. And little Johnny needs to learn to work with a team.
These 'contracts' do not guarantee a starting spot, scholarship guarantees from year to year, and most importantly a healthy environment for the incoming athlete. Just like any job or any other student, the athlete should be allowed to leave and find another division 1 school that better suits their needs.
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Happens all the time in the real world. It's called an "at will" state. Employers can fire an employee for any reason. Did you just miss the Bon Homme Sheriff in South Dakota that just fired his deputy who ran against him 1 minute after the deputy defeated him by a 3-1 margin in the polls.

I don't agree with it but it happens.
Right. And employees are free to get a new job whenever they like too. That's the point.
If more people got fired, the world would be a better place.

If more people quit, the world would be full of quitters.

What don’t you understand ?
Lets be clear here, transferring is not quitting, it is bringing your talents else where. Would you call Bubba Jenkins a quitter for transferring to ASU and knocking off the person that was taking his spot in the line up at PSU? I bet he worked pretty damn hard to do that.

Now some would say this is Cael's fault that Bubba transferred and maybe it was but remember that still may have been the right decision. I would rather have Bubba transfer and beat me with his 1 year of eligibility left if the only other option is losing Taylor for the next 4 years. Obviously, no one knows all the details or possible outcomes but what I do know is that coaches are going to have to create a lot more reasons to keep the best in their programs because young adults these days are taking advantage of all of their opportunities... as they should.
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The most confusing argument that I've heard on this topic is the argument that there is a contact and it's against the rules. The rules and the contract just changed, so there's not longer an argument to be made on that front as far as I can see.
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Right. And employees are free to get a new job whenever they like too. That's the point.
If more people got fired, the world would be a better place.

If more people quit, the world would be full of quitters.

What don’t you understand ?
Lets be clear here, transferring is not quitting, it is bringing your talents else where. Would you call Bubba Jenkins a quitter for transferring to ASU and knocking off the person that was taking his spot in the line up at PSU? I bet he worked pretty damn hard to do that.

Now some would say this is Cael's fault that Bubba transferred and maybe it was but remember that still may have been the right decision. I would rather have Bubba transfer and beat me with his 1 year of eligibility left if the only other option is losing Taylor for the next 4 years. Obviously, no one knows all the details or possible outcomes but what I do know is that coaches are going to have to create a lot more reasons to keep the best in their programs because young adults these days are taking advantage of all of their opportunities... as they should.
Gonz was talking about employees

Everybody should quit if it means beating Cael. He sucks.
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