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attendance at freestyle qualifers; attendance at freestyle qualifers
Topic Started: Apr 30 2006, 11:27 AM (2,972 Views)
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region 3 hasting had 144 wrestlers pretty light how were the other regions

we had 15 brackets with 1 wrestler 16 with only 2 wrestlers we were all done by 1:30
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87 at Region 1.
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I think we had about 150 to 160 at region 5 in St Francis.
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About 175 at 6/7.
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Wild card was lucky to have 100
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Those aren't bad numbers. Remember the kids are spread out over the six regions and then the wildcard.
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... I say to heck with the qualifiers.. <_< .. let's just have an open tournament and be done with it. At least until we figure out a way to increase interest in this(ie numbers).

Hope no one takes offense. Just food for thought :D .
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I think you need to keep qualifiers. This is the only way to "seed."
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I heard there was 60 kids at WildCard - I thought I was at a funeral. I think if they are going to continue to hold a wild card - it has to be a different weekend - the reason that someone probably didn't go to regions was that they were busy that WEEKEND. So holding it the next day doesn't make sense - they can't make that either - just my thoughts. Maybe skip regions - have preregistration - send in credentials like Liberty Nationals - you get seeded, and everyone can go to state. Hardly enough kids to pay the light bill at Wildcard. You also may get more participation at state if all you have to do is preregister and show up. And for the anti-preregister gang - it works in all other states and National Tourneys - just have to get use to doing it.
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I think you need to keep qualifiers. This is the only way to "seed."

... you are probably right about the seeding. But maybe we should just have four regions and let everyone qualify. Then still use the placing at regions to seed at STATE...just getting a little tired of seeing two or three people per bracket <_< .

...remember I am not trying to offend :D just doing a little brainstorming :rolleyes:
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I would have to agree with IMONTOPSTEP do away with the qualifiers let everyone come to State. The more kids in a bracket the more mat time a wrestler gets if they are the ones that will move on to the podium. This would also free up a weekend that some club could offer one more Open when the season now is so short. Some clubs have to put out some good change to host a tournament and then to lose money on it due to poor turnout is not good. I realize that the club gets to keep some of the money from registrations but that may not pay some or all of the expenses the club may have. As to seeding it could be done as USA Folkstyle Nationals is done and if you wrestled last year and placed that is your seeding, if two kids end up in the same bracket this year that placed the same last year just separate them. All Americans are to be separated. It did not always happen but changes were made after brackets were posted.


Then remember the new way of bracketing will be done this year and this will change things as the computer program is going to be used at State. The new method of pairing was to be posted at each Qualifier and I think it only involved separating 1 placers from regions and using no draw numbers.
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How can the computer seperate kids from the same club, as well as #1 placers?
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I think you need to keep qualifiers. This is the only way to "seed."

... you are probably right about the seeding. But maybe we should just have four regions and let everyone qualify. Then still use the placing at regions to seed at STATE...just getting a little tired of seeing two or three people per bracket <_< .

...remember I am not trying to offend :D just doing a little brainstorming :rolleyes:

Two or three people in a bracket, how about all the one man brackets, this is dumb! Drive, pay, and don't even get a match and they announced no exibitions. $30 for gas, ten to wrestle, admission for us to get in and no match. Gotta love it. They could have used this weekend for more open tournies and we could have had an eight man bracket and actually wrestled more than one match. Freestyle and greco. The season is short enough.
I say get rid of the qualifiers and just let everyone go to state. Seed by last years placers. I'm sure there's a way to do it on the computers, if not do it by hand!
Wisconsin just had a huge state freestyle tourney done on track wrestling and they have no qualifiers and they did it all in one day! I think we can do this too. The only other state off hand that I can think of that has qualifiers is MI. If the rest of the country can do it so can we.
As for numbers being down, I think people just get sick of traveling down to Rochester for everything and the added expense of a hotel. There's no reason we can't do this all in one day! Freestyle one day and greco the other.
All the small brackets could be done in one day greco in the morning and freestyle at night and send those people home. Lots of options to make this easier on people's time and pocketbooks and bring the numbers up. I can't believe how small the brackets are this year. 2 years ago we had a 19 man bracket.
Somethings gotta change.
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i like the idea of having qualifers. at gopher state there was alot of wrestlers there that were very soft at least this way u can thin the feild and u have your best wrestlers showing up
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"Soft"? Your going to get ripped on for that comment on here. I think everyone starts out soft, I know my kids did. Not every kid starts when there 4 or whatever. Alot of kids start when their older. Does that mean they shouldn't make it to a state tourney? It's a big confidence booster for a kid. These qualifiers are set up so that almost every kid qualifies anyways and if they don't and want to go-go to the wildcard. So almost everyone ends up there anyway.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.... these tournaments need to be centralized! We travel to Rochester for USA Folkstyle, AAU, MYWA and USA Freestyle. For us people up North, we are only going to do once or twice at the most.

There are alot of quality wrestlers at the North end of the state, but we are not going to drive 5-6 hours or more, stay at a hotel, eat out...etc four times.

If these tournaments were held in say St. Cloud, I know we would have a better turn out for the AAU and USA Freestyle.

The Gopher State was held in Coon Rapids, I thought the turnout was great.

Rochester is just too far to travel that many times to a state tournament!

Sorry Rochester, I know you like the income from all of the families coming, I think it's time to think about the families coming. Some of us just are not going to do it!

I think that is why we have poor turnouts at some of these tournament!

Just my thoughts -
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What a shame, less than 10 kids in my son's brackett and he is not able to wrestle due to a commitment last weekend. The qualifier is a joke and has been the last 2 years, everyone qualifies. Rename it appropriately, seeding tourney.
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I think for Roseau it is a 9 hour drive, Greenbush, around 8 hours, and Thief River falls it must be 7. And that is without stopping to eat. I laugh when people say that they had a 3 hour drive. I don't know if it would be possible to hold it somewhere else but it sure would be nice. Would the southern people come to Thief River Falls if it were held in that new arena I've heard so much about? Or is there another place that has lots of room like that? Does St. Cloud or Detroit Lakes maybe? What about workers? Would MN/USA even attempt to try something else? Just curious. And tired of taking an extra whole day off just to travel to a tournament! But of course WE will continue to do it.
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I agree with Obsessed as far as qualifiers and number of days the Freestyle and Greco tournemant should be. I can't verify his claims about State Tournements in other states but it sounds legit and seems to work.

As far as seeding goes, I really don't care. Some years my son is one of the tops in his group other years he's not, no big deal. A number draw is fine with me. He has to beat the best to win anyway.

Hand control is repeating what we have been hearing all year. CENTRALIZE some of these tournements. If it increases attendence how can it hurt. Rochester is great but every big tournie every year is alot.

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Bottom line is that Rochester/Chuck Sierfert/Amateur Sports Commission has put forth the most effort to bring tournaments to Rochester. They have great facilities, plenty of hotels, and the tournaments are run extremely well. There's no place in northern MN that can offer these amenities. That's why the majority of the tournaments are held in Rochester.
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May 2 2006, 10:28 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.... these tournaments need to be centralized! We travel to Rochester for USA Folkstyle, AAU, MYWA and USA Freestyle. For us people up North, we are only going to do once or twice at the most.

There are alot of quality wrestlers at the North end of the state, but we are not going to drive 5-6 hours or more, stay at a hotel, eat out...etc four times.

If these tournaments were held in say St. Cloud, I know we would have a better turn out for the AAU and USA Freestyle.

The Gopher State was held in Coon Rapids, I thought the turnout was great.

Rochester is just too far to travel that many times to a state tournament!

Sorry Rochester, I know you like the income from all of the families coming, I think it's time to think about the families coming. Some of us just are not going to do it!

I think that is why we have poor turnouts at some of these tournament!

Just my thoughts -

Hmmm.. where to start.. I've refrained from commenting on this, but just can't do it any longer....

First, if you are volunteering to host any of these tournaments in St Cloud, Coon Rapids, or anywhere else, then great. Go for it. Personally, I agree that events would get better participation if they were distributed around the state. Nonetheless, these are not money-makers for Rochester or the 100s of volunteers that help put them on weekend after weekend. The McDonalds that you stop at on the way out of town doesn't contribute a penny towards wrestling. None of the Rochester wrestling people involved make one cent off of any of these events.

Secondly, the reason why many of these tournaments have gravitated to Rochester is because we've raised money and purchased mats, clocks, and equipment so that groups can host events at a minimal cost (time and money). Anyone who has hosted a tournament knows that hauling mats and getting all the paraphernalia together that is necessary to run a tournament can be a pain in the butt. Along with the facility and the equipment, we've also put together a (sometimes) organized group of volunteers that jump at the opportunity to do whatever is necessary to promote wrestling.

Thirdly, when USA State used to be held in the cities, hotel and parking expenses were significantly more than in Rochester. Unfortunately, I'm reminded of this every time I have to take my kids up to Blaine for soccer tournaments. Here in Rochester, we've worked with the hospitality industry over the years to keep room prices for these events at an affordable level. Hopefully, that helps offest some of the gas expense.

My suggestion would be to contact the organization (NYWA, MYAS, MN/USA, AAU) that is running the event that you'd like to see moved and volunteer to help host the event in your community. Get the agreements, contracts, equipment, insurance, volunteers, and throw the dice.
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I agree. It sounds good to have these tournaments in different places, but who is going to do it? I would not know where to start. I just wish it could be different! And like I said before, we'll keep coming because that's just the way it is. I just wonder how many of the southerners would come north if that is the way it was. And who knows. maybe they would!
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May 2 2006, 10:28 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.... these tournaments need to be centralized! We travel to Rochester for USA Folkstyle, AAU, MYWA and USA Freestyle. For us people up North, we are only going to do once or twice at the most.

There are alot of quality wrestlers at the North end of the state, but we are not going to drive 5-6 hours or more, stay at a hotel, eat out...etc four times.

If these tournaments were held in say St. Cloud, I know we would have a better turn out for the AAU and USA Freestyle.

The Gopher State was held in Coon Rapids, I thought the turnout was great.

Rochester is just too far to travel that many times to a state tournament!

Sorry Rochester, I know you like the income from all of the families coming, I think it's time to think about the families coming. Some of us just are not going to do it!

I think that is why we have poor turnouts at some of these tournament!

Just my thoughts -

Hmmm.. where to start.. I've refrained from commenting on this, but just can't do it any longer....

First, if you are volunteering to host any of these tournaments in St Cloud, Coon Rapids, or anywhere else, then great. Go for it. Personally, I agree that events would get better participation if they were distributed around the state. Nonetheless, these are not money-makers for Rochester or the 100s of volunteers that help put them on weekend after weekend. The McDonalds that you stop at on the way out of town doesn't contribute a penny towards wrestling. None of the Rochester wrestling people involved make one cent off of any of these events.

Secondly, the reason why many of these tournaments have gravitated to Rochester is because we've raised money and purchased mats, clocks, and equipment so that groups can host events at a minimal cost (time and money). Anyone who has hosted a tournament knows that hauling mats and getting all the paraphernalia together that is necessary to run a tournament can be a pain in the butt. Along with the facility and the equipment, we've also put together a (sometimes) organized group of volunteers that jump at the opportunity to do whatever is necessary to promote wrestling.

Thirdly, when USA State used to be held in the cities, hotel and parking expenses were significantly more than in Rochester. Unfortunately, I'm reminded of this every time I have to take my kids up to Blaine for soccer tournaments. Here in Rochester, we've worked with the hospitality industry over the years to keep room prices for these events at an affordable level. Hopefully, that helps offest some of the gas expense.

My suggestion would be to contact the organization (NYWA, MYAS, MN/USA, AAU) that is running the event that you'd like to see moved and volunteer to help host the event in your community. Get the agreements, contracts, equipment, insurance, volunteers, and throw the dice.

You shouldn't take offense really to people wanting it to be centralized. No one is saying that Rochester isn't a great venue and you don't do a great job. We've been down for The Clash, the Christmas tourny, MN/USA state folkstyle, and now for FS/Greco just this year and have been more than satisfied. Like "Youaremyidol" says we just wish it could be different! People are just thinking this is one of the reasons numbers could be down the last couple of years.
After all, we just want the most matches /mattime our kids can get with the amount of money being spent. Can gas prices get any worse?
It's MN/USA's job to build our freestyle/greco program because I know they want alot of good competetive kids coming out of our state for all these national tournaments. So maybe they have to start to look at how we can make it easier for people. I feel it's also our job to make the FS/Greco program go and we really tried. We got a bunch of kids to rideshare to practice this year and handed out flyers and we thought we'd have a good group going. But in the end with spring sports and parents not wanting more expense to travel we ended up with the same couple kids we have every year because everyone else dropped off. Every parent gave the reason of cost.
Again like "Youaremyidol" says we're still coming, we just wish we were coming for more than a couple matches. Brackets are really small this year.
You'd have to agree that somehow small changes could be made to benefit people and offset cost. I still think regionals are a waste of time too.
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Sorry Rochester, I know you like the income from all of the families coming, I think it's time to think about the families coming. Some of us just are not going to do it!

I didn't mean to sound defensive, but I did take offense to the part that I just quoted. The implication was that someone in Rochester was getting rich off of these tournaments. I did say that I agree that tournaments should be more spread out around the state.

I'd even go as far as saying that I'd be glad to help anyone that wants to make the effort to pull one together in another community.
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I have to say that Rochester has by far done the best job at any wrestling tournament we have gone to. All I am saying is that I would like to see it centeralized.

Iowan@heart - I didn't try to get anyone mad. I just think we would draw more wrestlers if some of these tournaments were held in the middle of the state. That's all.

My comment about Rochester liking the income.... well, I think you would have to agree that the community of Rochester gains alot from any tournament coming to town. Hotels, food, etc. That is what I was talking about. I wasn't even thinking about the club it self.... I know this weekend, my family alone drop at least $300 not including gas money into the Rochester community. Wasn't there a survey going out (I think for the MYWA) where they wanted to see what an impact this tournament had in Rochester? $$$ wise!

As far as the guys/gals hosting the tournaments, I think you do an awesome job.

Iowan@heart - you are right, there is alot more that goes on behing the mats then one realizes - (agreements, contracts, equipment, insurance, volunteers) I understand that...

I don't want to see the tournaments up North - even though that would be closer to me - I want to see them in the middle of the state! Thats all!

I would be willing to help out any way possible at a tournament. I can keep score, be a runner etc... I would love to do that kind of stuff rather then just sitting around. I bet there are alot more parents out there, that would do the same.

At the Gopher State tournament - they put a call out for volunteers. I stepped in, I wanted to help... but at some tournaments you feel like you are stepping on toes and not welcome to do that. And in some cases, like Rochester - they have everything set, very well orginized.

Youaremyidol - said it - We'll keeping coming - But in my case, were only going to one or two.

Just trying to find a way to get more numbers, not trying to make anyone mad!
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Monticelo has a huge gym and I think hotels within 20 minutes?? St.Cloud seems to me to be like a Rochester. I think we have plenty of spots for a good STATE gig. Coon Rapids has proved to be a good location with hotels near by.

I will say this Rochester and its worker/organizers/promotors have set the tone...
the per-say pace of putting on a heck of a barn burner. When you can run the NJCAA and highschool sections the same time and still have plenty of room you mights say wrestling also likes Rochester as much as Rochester likes wrestling.

I 100% agree with the upnort folks and truely feel bad for the Worthington, Hutch,Frazee, Greenbush, type towns..........gas, time and flip'n money. No doubt you win the arguement on the "LOCATION" issue.
No simple answer this is also true.
One thing I have notice in my short time with wrestling is it always takes someone to step up to the plate and lay a pair on the table.........some places will cater to ya some will not.

Do not have the answer by no means but I feel Rochester as a city works to get wrestling to come to them. Marketing, hotels and good clean venues.

Just my thought........just talk to much :blink:
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It's MN/USA's job to build our freestyle/greco program because I know they want alot of good competetive kids coming out of our state for all these national tournaments. So maybe they have to start to look at how we can make it easier for people.

I just quoted this one part because it really jumped out at me. Who is MN/USA? Who are the "they" that you refer to in the 2nd sentence there?

I'll answer those questions. MN/USA is you. "They" are you. If you carry a coaches or athletes card and compete in/attend the events sanctioned by MN/USA you are a member of the organization and you are one of the people that can be in on looking at the ways to make it easier for people.

MN/USA is not a company/corporation with full time employees that exists to make money. MN/USA is a non-profit organization that exists to give wrestlers the opportunity to become better wrestlers with a support staff that is completely VOLUNTEER BASED.

Here is the brief story of how I became so involved with this organization. I was at a tournament down in Las Vegas coaching Cory Harnitz. There were a bunch of other MN coaches and wrestlers down there as well as a few adults who were at the time on the MN/USA board of directors. I was there to coach as that is what I love to do. But there was a 4-minute conversation that took place down there between a couple of people including myself. The basics of the conversation is that one of the guys was telling 2 of us younger guys that the organization needed guys like us (both of us were at the time married but didn't have any kids yet) to get involved. 1 month later I attended my first board meeting...not at the invitation of anyone but just because I wanted to see what it was about. I went back the next month...and the next. I wasn't going to these meetings because I love to sit in meetings (I get enough of that at work) but because I thought I had something to offer to the organization...ideas, man-power, etc.

If you are someone that needs to be asked, I'm asking you right now...please help us. Help yourselves. Help wrestling. I will be down in Rochester all day Friday...please track me down, introduce yourself and tell me what you can do or would be willing to do. Not just at the tournament but in general. Maybe you can make a few phone calls every year to help out your Region Director. Maybe you're able to help me find 1 or 2 advertisers for the 2006-07 MN/USA schedule poster that I'd like to create. Anything at all. I have a number of fund-raising ideas that I simply can't get off the ground because there is not enough people volunteering to help. We need help. We need individuals to step up. If every parent with a child in this organization were to make it a point to volunteer at 1 tournament (if even for just 1 hour) throughout the year we'd be in great shape. Or give 1 hour helping in a non-tournament situation such as those phone calls I mentioned.

Again, please introduce yourselves to me and let's talk about how you can help. Tell me what you'd be willing to do. Any help at all will make a difference to this organization. The better we can make it overall, the more your children will get out of it. The more kids we can attract the more the organization can do. I would love to see us having so many kids attending tournaments that we could fully fund every team trip to things like the national duals. The more money we would have to establish more Regional Training Sites ALL OVER THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

There is so much we could do to make it better for everyone if we had enough people working to make it happen. Just think of what we could do as far as bringing one of these large tournaments to St. Cloud or Moorhead or Duluth or Mankato or Brainerd if we had people volunteering to help make it happen. Rochester is getting all these tournaments from all these organizations because they have the people that are working to make it happen.

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cwillaert,

If what you are saying is true, how do "we" have a say where the event should be held, or how long the season is? Is "our" goal to have the best quality competitors at the national events or should or focus be on the dwindling number of competitors at the STATE level. :unsure:

Are there monthly meetings that would allow "us" to voice our concerns :blink: ???
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cwillaert,

If what you are saying is true, how do "we" have a say where the event should be held, or how long the season is? Is "our" goal to have the best quality competitors at the national events or should or focus be on the dwindling number of competitors at the STATE level. :unsure:

Are there monthly meetings that would allow "us" to voice our concerns :blink: ???

You get involved, you show up to our monthly Board of Director/Membership meetings and you help us in figuring out viable solutions to all these issues. Meetings are held every month, usually the 2nd Sunday of the month. This months meeting is actually being held down in Rochester on Sunday morning. The primary location for these meetings is at The Blue Fox up in Arden Hills (one of MN/USA's pull-tab sites) but we have had them in other areas of the state as well. In a month in which we have a big tournament we try to hold the meetings at those events...held one after JR state this year as well as during folkstyle state. Last year one was held during Norther Plains.

As for the goal...with an increase in the number of competitors will come an increase in the quality...and we already have some pretty good quality.

If it sometimes seems to people as though our organization is stuck in a rut it's because it is. The intentions of everyone at the meetings is nothing but good for MN wrestling. But when you have the same 10-15 people at every meeting it's hard to come up with new ideas or think outside the box that you already thought you were thinking outside of. With new people come new ideas.

Ok, here's something to give a little incentive to those of you that read this board and don't know me. The first 3 people whom I have never met that come up to me on Friday and introduce themselves while offering to help out this organization will get a free MN/USA Wrestling/MN Storm shirt.
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If what you are saying is true, how do "we" have a say where the event should be held, or how long the season is? Is "our" goal to have the best quality competitors at the national events or should or focus be on the dwindling number of competitors at the STATE level. :unsure:

Are there monthly meetings that would allow "us" to voice our concerns :blink: ???

Nice job cwillert. I would agree 100% with what you said. The answer to any question about influencing the actions or directions of a volunteer organization is to get involved.

I'd go even one step further though than cwillert as far as volunteering. You don't have to have kids in the program to be a volunteer or to be on the board. Right out of high school or college or empty-nesters are great. They tend to have more time and less bias than parents.

Get involved and stay involved.
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