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Topic Started: Jul 19 2006, 06:35 AM (9,160 Views)
Shane
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At TheMat it looks like Mahan dec. Eid.
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could soneone please tell me were Minnesota finished in the team standings. Thankyou.
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Jul 25 2006, 04:08 PM
At TheMat it looks like Mahan dec. Eid.

Sweeet. :)
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Here are the top 10 match points

CADET GRECO

662 New York
647 Pennsylvania
623 Ohio
572 California
515 Illinois
434 Missouri
430 Oregon
405 Iowa
382 MINNESOTA
366 Washington

JUNIOR GRECO

632 New York
624 California
598 Ohio
478 Florida
471 MINNESOTA
435 Washington
429 Idaho
419 Oregon
407 Iowa
385 Pennsylvania

Remenber these are match points. Tracks wrestling has alot of team & individual stats.



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Sanders cut a ton of weight- 2.5 pounds

He looked tiny out there in his round robin match and his 5/6 place match. He controlled both of them from the feet. He is ready for freestyle and should do very well where strength isn't as big of a factor. I am amazed at how strong and cut some of these high school kids are. Great job by the minnesota boys. They still gutted everybody and had the best par terre defense.
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thankyou for posting that. Minnesota did very well.
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Team point race has nothing to do with classification points. It has to do with place-winners. California should have more classification points as they always seem to have the most kids in the tournament. The team title is based on 8 points for a champion down to 1 for an 8th place winner. Every AA earns points based on that place. MN finished 3rd...Iowa won Juniors and they also won Cadets. CA is almost never in the top 3 in the actual team race...and I think they may have finished around 7th or 8th this year but don't remember for sure.
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thanks...cwill

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Jul 25 2006, 02:37 PM
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Jul 25 2006, 08:38 AM
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I heard that Sander is only weighing 117 natrally but he is wrestling up at 119, does he look as big as any of the guys he is wrestling?


You heard wrong.

I have a very good source you should respect.

No, really... you're wrong.
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Overall, Minnesota had some of the best gutwrench defense in the tournament. Won a LOT of matches that came down to defending last. I'll be posting the Eidy vs. Mahan finals match and a video of the all americans later this week, and give some other thoughts then.
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Jul 25 2006, 11:32 PM
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Jul 25 2006, 02:37 PM
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Jul 25 2006, 08:38 AM
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I heard that Sander is only weighing 117 natrally but he is wrestling up at 119, does he look as big as any of the guys he is wrestling?


You heard wrong.

I have a very good source you should respect.

No, really... you're wrong.

Well then you or Schrupp go tell CW that you shouldn't respect him.
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Jul 25 2006, 11:42 PM
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Jul 25 2006, 02:37 PM
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Jul 25 2006, 08:38 AM
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I heard that Sander is only weighing 117 natrally but he is wrestling up at 119, does he look as big as any of the guys he is wrestling?


You heard wrong.

I have a very good source you should respect.

No, really... you're wrong.

Well then you or Schrupp go tell CW that you shouldn't respect him.

I'm so confused.
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Jul 25 2006, 10:35 PM
I'll be posting the Eidy vs. Mahan finals match and a video of the all americans later this week, and give some other thoughts then.

Thanks a lot for posting the videos. For those of us who can't get there to watch, this is the next best thing. Keep 'em coming!
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Who made the Junior Freestyle team?
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Questions: Why isn't Danny Zilverberg on the Cadet team? Is he still hurt?

I didn't see a single 98 or 105 for MN for Juniors? (Freestyle) We really didn't have ANYONE those weights?

How many are automatically allowed per weight? It seems some states have as many as 63 kids and we have 47 registered.

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cwillaert
Jul 26 2006, 01:43 AM
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Jul 25 2006, 11:42 PM
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Jul 25 2006, 11:32 PM
lilmatdog
Jul 25 2006, 02:37 PM
cschruppMSU
Jul 25 2006, 08:38 AM
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I heard that Sander is only weighing 117 natrally but he is wrestling up at 119, does he look as big as any of the guys he is wrestling?


You heard wrong.

I have a very good source you should respect.

No, really... you're wrong.

Well then you or Schrupp go tell CW that you shouldn't respect him.

I'm so confused.

In that case maybe those guys are right. :D :lol: :P
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Jul 25 2006, 06:59 PM
Team point race has nothing to do with classification points.  It has to do with place-winners.  California should have more classification points as they always seem to have the most kids in the tournament.  The team title is based on 8 points for a champion down to 1 for an 8th place winner.  Every AA earns points based on that place.  MN finished 3rd...Iowa won Juniors and they also won Cadets.  CA is almost never in the top 3 in the actual team race...and I think they may have finished around 7th or 8th this year but don't remember for sure.

well thats lame!because we didnt have very many points then most our kids placed 5th or lower other than 2 first and a second the rest were 5th or lowerin cadet and juniors!.So how could we place third?
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How could we place 3rd? Look at how many All-Americans each state has. We may have had more than any of them except maybe Iowa. Iowa's guys were higher placing AA's though.

The entire point of this tournament is to get as many AA's as you can. That is why the team points are set up as such.

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Jul 26 2006, 06:36 AM
Questions: Why isn't Danny Zilverberg on the Cadet team? Is he still hurt?

I didn't see a single 98 or 105 for MN for Juniors? (Freestyle) We really didn't have ANYONE those weights?

How many are automatically allowed per weight? It seems some states have as many as 63 kids and we have 47 registered.

Yes he's hurt.
No, we really don't have anyone...for the past few years any guy we had at those weights were actually Cadets who went up.

Maximum of 4 per weight (not counting automatics). 45 is the roster limit (quick math tells you that if you had the same number of kids at every weight you can only have 3 at each). Any wrestlers over the total of 45 must be automatic qualifiers meaning they placed in the top 3 at a USA Wrestling Junior Regional tournament (Junior Northern Plains for example) in that particular style. For Cadets the roster limit is 51 because they have 2 more weights than Juniors. Top 3 at a Cadet Regional in that particular style makes the kid an automatic qualifier. So if CA cadets have 63 kids that means they have at least 12 kids who placed in the top 3 in a USA Wrestling Cadet Regional in that style.
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Thanks for the info.
Is there no Cadets able/willing to fill those weights this year? Is BOTH cadet/jr tourneys going on at the same time or are they back to back so it would be possible?
Or is it not a concern because then you can send more at other weights? (Is there a limit per weight, of non automatic qualifiers?)
What is ideal scenerio? 2-3 per weight plus all the automatics?

Lets say you have 2 kids at 98, 1 at 105 and 15 at 130? Would you automatically take the 2 at 98, 1 at 105, and the top 3-4 at 130 (not including automatics?) Even if the top 7-8 at 130 would be potential AA's? and even if the 98s were cadets, or not as big of a standout? Just curious as how you work the selection process because some weights have a glut some have few to none. (bottom and top) Is the goal to get as many potential AA's as possible, or to get a representation frome each weight, if possible? or both?

Thanks for answering these questions!!!
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Maximum of 4 per weight excluding Regional Qualifiers. Under your scenario we'd take the 2 at 98, the 1 at 105 and 4 at 130.

The answer is both. Ideally we'd have 2-3 kids at each weight that were Regional Qualifiers. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that people are as concerned with the Regional tournaments as they should be. MN Juniors are not going to Northern Plains anymore and that's a shame. Especially when you consider we had a couple of 8-man plus brackets just for wrestle-offs to make the team. Some kids could have saved themselves a lot of hassle at camp by going to Northern Plains.
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CW...you are correct!!! I just checked track wrestling for BOTH JR Northern Plains and Southern Plains and there was a pile of small brackets. If you place in the top 3 at ANY of these and some had 3 or less in the bracket!, (They are open so you can go to multiple regionals if you want) you earn an addtional spot for MN at your weight. If this is the case, and some states had 63 entrants because of it...shouldn't we really encourage everyone to go to these? Maybe provide a bus? Just a thought.

Can cadets attend JR qualifiers? Esp at lower weights we are having trouble filling?
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It say mn has 73 entrants for juniors couldnt believe 14 -160 pounders!
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I'm pretty sure the names on trackwrestling are still the camp participants. There are names on there that I know aren't on the team. They probably don't update it until after the boys register today.
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section1mom
Jul 26 2006, 01:31 PM
I'm pretty sure the names on trackwrestling are still the camp participants. There are names on there that I know aren't on the team. They probably don't update it until after the boys register today.

Correct. I just turned in the final roster about an hour ago. Should be updated very soon if it isn't by now.
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It's 6:30 and the freestyle team has been posted. click on team and members. the brackets arent up yet.
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Brackets won't be done until weigh-ins and skin checks are done.
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Mn juniors should fair real well we have the second most wrestlers with Ohio only having more!
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Questions:
What are classification points and what are they used for? Why is a stat on the list for team stats?

What are match points and what are they used for? Why is a stat on the list for team stats?

I see MN Juniors placed 3rd in Greco. Is there a list of all teams and their final placing?

Do they give team awards?

Never did much Freestyle and Greco when I was young but I am starting to follow it now in my old age. Just do not understand why they have stats for classification and match points but they do not relate to the team placing? Find it interesting that I can not find a list of team places.

Sorry to be naive about this but would appreciate the education.
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I have an even better source and he says you don't know what you're talking about.
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