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| why Blaine wrestlers leaving to go to Coon Rapids; per XHockeyDad's request | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 23 2008, 09:39 AM (3,997 Views) | |
| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 09:39 AM Post #1 |
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According to XHockeyDad, there are 10 state placers who should be going to Blaine, but have gone to Coon Rapids. If those 10 wrestlers were at Blaine, just the parent support alone would make a huge difference in the program. Let's here some reasons. |
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| duty | Apr 23 2008, 09:49 AM Post #2 |
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Name one........ |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 09:50 AM Post #3 |
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Ask XHockeyDad. |
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| duty | Apr 23 2008, 09:54 AM Post #4 |
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XHockeyDad ??? |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 10:02 AM Post #5 |
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In this post http://z7.invisionfree.com/The_Guillotine_...showtopic=18238 XHockeyDad and myself got into a discussion about wrestlers who have left Blaine to go to Coon Rapids. It was stressed that money is not the issue, but rather atmosphere that is pulling kids away from Blaine. I know that the Blaine youth and freestyle coaches have done a good job communicating with their youth parents, and the atmosphere has been very positive. Therefor, I highly doubt that any of these 10 wrestling parents (or most of them) have probably never even been in the room at Blaine. So, as a supporter for Blaine wrestling, I want to get some feedback as to why these wrestlers feel there is no opportunity to succeed in the Blaine Wrestling program. |
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| HDPOLFOOTBASEWREST | Apr 23 2008, 10:04 AM Post #6 |
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we go to a different city to wrestle because they have a better youth program they do team events they have coaches at open tournaments they look like a team even at none team events. some youth programs are coached by people that are more involved in the high school level than the youth part. some clubs are real Clicky and if your new it is hard to get in the mix even if your a friendly person. just my opion. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 23 2008, 10:24 AM Post #7 |
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Your first correction you need to make from your other thread is that CR stole us. This is not true, the fact is you lost us. Your program was used as a fund raiser to finance the high school. It was never about developing young wrestlers. There were days no coaches showed up to practice, and days the kids coaching chose to play games instead of teach wrestling. The coaches never showed up to any tournaments, the club never scheduled any tournament, and the one the club put on there weren't even any coaches at. Our kids showed up to the tourney, and they didn't even understand the basic of a match or scoring. Your second correction is that there is a great financial benefit to a youth wrestler. Some day my son may get some scholarship money, but as for now what I put in out weights what we get out. The long term benefits probably will still be a financial negative as well. It is a big commitment to get my child over to Coon rapids for school for 6 years, but with all they have done for my kid as a wrestler and a person, I would feel very guilty about sending him to Blaine. I see good changes happening at Blaine now, but its to late as we have already committed to Coon Rapids, but it was their people, and not their money that won us over. I didn't even know about the money until we were there for two years. Good luck to you and your program, but look inside your program, before you place blame outside. |
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| HDPOLFOOTBASEWREST | Apr 23 2008, 10:31 AM Post #8 |
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what money are you referring too? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 23 2008, 10:32 AM Post #9 |
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Charitable gambling money. |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 11:10 AM Post #10 |
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I guess I don't know when and where you experienced all of these thing you mention, but I think that your comments are out of line, at least under the current coaching staff. The Blaine youth coaching staff has been dedicated to attending tournaments, and bringing kids to tournaments, both team and individual, for the last 3 years (essentially the bulk of the youth program.) The high school staff has only been around for the last 4 years. Blaine had 12 wrestlers at MN/USA Folkstyle State, which is more then double the participants for half the teams represented in Rochester. Add the 10 kids who never bothered to give Blaine a shot, and that's 22. Subtract those 10 from Coon Rapids, and it's a 22/30 split. Those 12 were a fraction of the particiation, as the program is full of beginner wrestlers as well. It's hard to get a new wrestler onto the wrestling mat for a tournament. I guess I don't know where your "clicky" remark is coming from either. Blaine is a far cry from a "click" in any regard. The "appearance" of the teams at tournaments I guess just depends on how much money you can throw into suiting your wrestlers up with gear. Maybe Blaine needs to put a nicer cover on its book. Rebutal asside, when you sat down with the Blaine coaches to voice your concerns, how did they respond? |
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| XHockeyDad | Apr 23 2008, 11:13 AM Post #11 |
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gambler, I admire your loyalty to your program....but the issue isn't the Blaine program or the Coon Rapids program...the issue is bigger than the both of us.. We at Coon Rapids are trying currently to establish good working relationships with other Youth programs....that invovles us loading up a VAN full of our best wrestlers and bringing them to each other practices and having these programs bring kids over to our practices...building youth wrestling...that's what we are about. The fierce rivalries exist at the High School level...we are trying to keep our kids wrestling...that's the bottom line... A light bulb cam on when my son first started "pinnacle" wrestling three years ago...This is a direct quote from Jared Lawrence's mission statement "PINnacle Wrestling seeks and recruits the top wrestlers from around the region insuring the finest workout partners.The conjugation of elite wrestlers with the highest level of training provides the most efficient opportunity for advancement" This is what we want...we want our best wrestlers to get better. People that are a part of our program recognize our efforts and they want to be a part of it. Last year a great youth wrestler left our program to go to Anoka's...but we recognize that people come and go. I spoke with the family this weekend...I still consider them friends and they are truly thankful for the time the spent with us...and it was great having him in the room; he made our kids better....but stuff happens.. My reponse on the other thread was due to your continued accusations of us "stealing" wrestlers from Blaine...refer to BRDHTR's post..look within before you start accusing others. |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 11:18 AM Post #12 |
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Coon Rapids is the big boy in town, and I haven't seen Coon Rapids reach out to Blaine to work with any of their kids. Blaine's kids can't get any better at wrestling when the best kids leave to go wrestle somewhere else, then never step on Blaine mat again. Does Blaine dare bring wrestlers over to Coon Rapids to work out, if all they are going to see is Blaine parents bashing the Blaine program? More so, I feel bad for the kids at Northdale Middle School, because there aren't any Coon Rapids kids around to wrestle with. They would all rather leave and be B, C, or D teamers at Coon Rapids middle school, rather then lead a full squad of "A" teamers, and get better wrestling the best competition. But again, I'll go back to my original question, when you sat down with the Blaine coaches, and you expressed an interest in improving the quality of wrestling for your son, what was the response? |
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| XHockeyDad | Apr 23 2008, 11:42 AM Post #13 |
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...actually the kids that chose to come over from Northdale Middle School are part of our "A" squad....everyone is a part of our "A" squad.. Our "A" squad (50 kids in total) was rewarded with a trip to Michigan were we opened up for the Gophers and the Spartans...we dueled with the Lowel Red Arrows just prior to the duel. We take care of our own. |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 11:48 AM Post #14 |
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Again, "show me the money." I'm sorry that Blaine couldn't provide you with all of the nice things that Mat Bandits could. Maybe in the future, Blaine will find a way to raise money FIRST, then find able and willing bodies to support the program SECOND. If you have any suggestions on how to do that, I'm sure that Blaine would love to hear about it. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 23 2008, 11:53 AM Post #15 |
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I was told by a former wrestler whose father owns a bar in Blaine that he approached the coaches about pull tabs, and they were not interested. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 23 2008, 12:00 PM Post #16 |
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I said nothing about clicks in my post you referenced. As far as sitting down with the coached I tried at a tourney, but they weren't there. |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 12:00 PM Post #17 |
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If that's not the biggest joke in the world, I don't know what is. What former wrestler? What bar? |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 12:02 PM Post #18 |
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The Blaine wrestling room is just down the road, and the door is usually open. Did you try that? |
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| XHockeyDad | Apr 23 2008, 12:10 PM Post #19 |
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maybe its your friendly and approachable way you handle things...you seem like someone you could approach rather easily and would be willing to listen.....NOT. You have a man who is telling you why he has left your program, yet you openly chastise him for his comments...nice work...you are a born recruiter... |
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| Deleted User | Apr 23 2008, 12:15 PM Post #20 |
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Check your PM, its on the way |
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| HDPOLFOOTBASEWREST | Apr 23 2008, 12:20 PM Post #21 |
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I mentioned clicky and i am am not involved in either programs and live several miles away from that area i was just giving my past experience with the program we quit using which is not yours sorry for the confusion... |
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| HDPOLFOOTBASEWREST | Apr 23 2008, 12:25 PM Post #22 |
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I DO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THERE IS THIS KINDA ALL OVER MINNESOTA YOU ARE NOT ALONE ! I THINK PARENTS WANT TO GIVE THERE KIDS THE BEST POSSIBLE EXPERIENCE! SOUNDS LIKE YOU JUST NEED TO KEEP WORKING HARD AND GOOD THINGS WILL COME TO YOU AND YOURN |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 12:50 PM Post #23 |
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My last post, All answers point to money. Since when did wrestling become more important then community. When you talk about "opportunity", what does that mean? Coaches, money, tournament, what do you mean? Have you ever thought to ask for it? Maybe the money was even there, and you didn't even know it. How could you know? You never asked. Are there coaches around? Who knows, you never asked. Maybe the coaches then were different then the coaches now. Who knows, you never asked. Maybe the wrestling program was one or two dedicated parents away from taking off. Who knows, you never asked. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 23 2008, 02:53 PM Post #24 |
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The only one pointing to money is you. You asked for reasons, and I gave you some. We left Blaine because we didn't like the product, for all the reasons I told you. At that time I thought about St. Francis, Anoka, Forest Lake, and Coon Rapids. I chose Coon Rapids for convenience. All of these other programs have a lot of success, with out all the money. It's not about the money. I think your insistence on it is more for your benefit than anything. If you dismiss this to the money, then you don't need to address the concerns of those that have left. |
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| WePlayHockeyNow | Apr 23 2008, 02:58 PM Post #25 |
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I've been reading all these posts and I'm trying to figure out exactly what it is you are so bitter about? Aren't people allowed to enroll their children in whatever program they choose. For example: I live in SLP and my boys wrestle for Anoka. Am I obligated to send my boys to SLP? Based on the location of my home, I made a list of programs in the area and made a choice. SLP, Blaine, CR, Andover, Anoka? I wrestled at CR (from Mat Bandits on up through HS)....I know people there so, I gave them some consideration. I honestly didn't give SLP, Blaine, or Andover much, if any, consideration. I chose Anoka and I couldn't be happier with that decision. I made this choice for reasons I wouldn't post on a message board. Ultimately, it is our decision where to send our children. Am I wrong for choosing Anoka? I think it's my right. I wish your program the best of luck but, coming on here ripping on people and programs isn't going to help anything. Sorry to all for the rant....just my two cents. |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 03:33 PM Post #26 |
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I'm not trying to rip anyone for chosing what they want to do. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of why communication is such a problem. The only reason I point to money, is because all of your examples and suggestions COST money, and money has to be earned by people. Without people, there is no money. My only question, which has yet to be answered, is why you never asked? I just think you are taking too much credit away from yourselves in your arguements, and you should give a little credit to yourself in the success of your wrestling program. |
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| XHockeyDad | Apr 23 2008, 03:50 PM Post #27 |
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I have read this over five times...I have no idea whether you are ripping us or commending us.. |
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| thegambler | Apr 23 2008, 04:04 PM Post #28 |
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A little of both. It appears that you are a very dedicated to the sport of wrestling, improving on wrestling, and creating opportunity. Those are qualities that are lacking in many programs, including Blaine. So, when the dedicated individuals leave, it's difficult to draw interest from OTHER dedicated individuals. The program doesn't drive itself. Parents and wrestlers do. Call it a waterfall effect. Fortunately, that attitude is changing at Blaine, but ever so slowly, and it takes dedicated individuals to create interest and influence. Create demand, and you create supply. Without demand, there is no supply. Everything else after that (coaching, tournaments, opportunity) is EASY. You just have to want it. So, when you talk about Mat Bandits, make sure that you are really talking about Mat Bandits, and that you aren't really just talking about yourselves. Mat Bandits has been there for a long time, and will be there for a long time. Mat Bandits doesn't set and achieve goals. You do. If you are dedicate to something, you can can set and achieve goals anywhere you go. |
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| WrestlingDad | Apr 23 2008, 05:47 PM Post #29 |
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Coon Rapids isn't stealing any wrestlers from anyone. What we have is an open door for our youth program. We have wrestlers come to us for all different reasons. Some have parents that went to CR., some are looking for a practice partner (small or large kids), some even come to wrestle against kids they wrestled against at a tournament, & yes some are looking for a new club because of difference of opinions. Bottom line is we try to build wrestling up for kids to give it a try & hopefully get it some attention for those who know nothing about it except for Pro wrestling. Most wrestlers that come to Coon Rapids as youth for other reasons, don't stay they go were their schools are. We are ok with it for the reason of growing the sport. Yes we have perks that others don't but we also request our families to volunteer to give back, because a club is only as good as its volunteers. That is how we keep going. What we do to attract kids is get the word out with fliers to schools, hand outs at football, & soccer fields, & by word of mouth. We have coaches at all levels who talk to other athletes throughout the year to tell them about wrestling. Yes it takes volunteers, dedication, & commitment. But in the end it is all worth it. :D Yours truely Don Lubinski Coon Rapids Mat Bandit President |
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| hookemngo | Apr 24 2008, 07:41 AM Post #30 |
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just wanted to put my two cents in. cr mat bandits are a class act you will find nobetter people in youth wrestling.example my wife had my son at a tourny needed a coach cr steped up helped out made my son and wife feel good after the match. awsome! we left cr to wrestle else were they still are willing to coach help or do what they can. why wouldnt you want your kids to be around this money or not. we will always rember what this program did for us. thank you mat bandits. |
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