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| Criteria for Duals Teams; Schoolboy, Cadet and Junior | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 20 2008, 08:49 AM (1,837 Views) | |
| vet | Jun 20 2008, 08:49 AM Post #1 |
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Minnesota has a heritage of sending quality dual teams to KC and OKC and Indie. Exactly how are these kids selected to be on these prestigious teams? How many get to go? Roster size per team? |
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| heavyweightdad | Jun 20 2008, 08:55 AM Post #2 |
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Coaches can pick whomever they want. They pick who they think can win, bottom line. However, If you win state FS or GR you are automatically selected, but not necessarily on the A team, or for the weight you went to state at. Things that increase your chances are EXPOSURE. Go to ALL the practices and opens you can. Go to as many regional tourneys/Natls as you can, this will greatly increase your chances of being selected. I would like to see participation greatly increase for opens/state/regional events. I would say the MAJORITY of the kids on these dual teams consistantly do well in HS/College and the Olympics... Wrestle FS and GR, and you WILL improve for folkstyle, guaranteed. They generally have 2 kids per weight, per team, if they have enough kids to do that. There tends to be injuries, because they wrestle a TON of matches over a 4 day period. I do NOT know if there is roster size limits, but they want all the kids to get matches, so they may limit it so there isn't too many per weight class. SB duals there is 17 weights and I am not sure the total number in INDIANA right now but I am guessing in the 40's. (2 teams) |
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| vet | Jun 20 2008, 12:47 PM Post #3 |
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Well, what if you don't go to any regionals, state or local competition and you only go to 2 practices is that enough to be selected? |
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| coles fan | Jun 20 2008, 01:32 PM Post #4 |
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no you should have more than just 2 practices |
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| bschultz66 | Jun 20 2008, 01:40 PM Post #5 |
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If you are at a weight were we don't have any wrestlers it may be enough. |
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| X2WRESTLE | Jun 20 2008, 03:18 PM Post #6 |
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I know that on the sheet of paper that you turned in it asks for any titles or achievements in the last 2 years. |
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| heavyweightdad | Jun 24 2008, 05:58 AM Post #7 |
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Rules???? Don't you HAVE to be a Cadet age wise to wrestle on the cadet team? No Schoolboys? Same with the school Boy team, no Novices? (MN had NO kids on the SB teams that were not SB's, but I question some other teams) I know for the Jrs team you can be a 9th or 10th grade (but not an 8th grade?) Cadet and wrestle Jrs, but I thought for both cadet and SB duals you HAD to be in that specific age group. IS this a MN only rule or a USA wrestling rule? Because I see kids that are not in the correct age group wrestling. I personally like the rule and hope it is enforced. This enables MORE kids to participate in duals. If you allow studs to jump age groups left and right, you squeeze kids out...and the total studs are on multiple teams, 2-3 levels in one season, and as a result, another kid stays home, not right...IF this is a rule. |
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| nwsub | Jun 24 2008, 12:58 PM Post #8 |
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heavyweightdad You are correct on your rules and the age/division rules are national rules. I never remember or heard of anyone moving up when I was involved in USA Wrestling. Everyone knows what age kids are at so moving up is almost impossible to do except for the Cadets (as you mentioned). You need to talk to someone from MN USA Wrestling. I'd suggest Julie Munkelwitz. http://mnusa.wrestlingsystems.com/page/show/27519 |
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| Obsessed With Wrestling | Jun 24 2008, 01:16 PM Post #9 |
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I noticed ND has an 84 pounder on their cadet duals team that is a schoolboy, he won't be allowed to wrestle I'm sure. Some of the rosters are up on trackwrestling and he's wrestled a kid from our club. They likely didn't know the rules very well since it is their first year going to the duals. |
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| Jfjjames | Jun 25 2008, 01:41 PM Post #10 |
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Im wondering when Minnesotas lineup is going to be on Trek wrestling. Thankyou. |
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| wrestle22 | Jun 25 2008, 04:53 PM Post #11 |
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the boys dont even know what team there on and there in kansas |
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| Shane | Jun 25 2008, 07:19 PM Post #12 |
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It looks like the teams are listed at TrackWrestling. |
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| Jfjjames | Jun 25 2008, 08:42 PM Post #13 |
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Does anybody know why they do not have the Brackets posted yet. Thankyou. |
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| bschultz66 | Jun 26 2008, 12:41 AM Post #14 |
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Greco Link http://www.trackwrestling.com/teamtourname...namentId=182009 |
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| lilmatdog | Jun 26 2008, 07:28 AM Post #15 |
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Dylan Ness... Destin McCauley... two of the best in the nation and they have to be the same weight? Arg! OK, I'm done with my tantrum. Good wrestlers but I notice that only Minnesota and PA are fielding two teams, everyone else has loaded them up on one team. Go get them boys! |
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| cwillaert | Jun 26 2008, 07:48 AM Post #16 |
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We have never determined the final rosters for each team until the last minute possible. You never know who is going to have trouble making weight and things like that. |
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| crusader wrestling | Jun 26 2008, 08:08 AM Post #17 |
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Very smart decision on the cadet coaching staffs part to have both Ness and McCauly at the same weight. In any match, they still can have one wrestle at 130 and the other at 135. They are also ready if one gets injuryed or sick. Are Ness and/or McCauley wrestling Jrs. (???) If so, it would be a good idea to make sure they get some breaks during the cadet duals before the Jr. duals in Okla. A wrestler who does both the cadet duals and jr duals, greco/freestyle is looking at a possible 30-40 matches over a 10 day period. |
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| Jfjjames | Jun 26 2008, 08:20 AM Post #18 |
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I do not see any teams in brackets yet are they going to have it on Trek wrestling or is there some other website that will post results. Thanks. |
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| heavyweightdad | Jun 26 2008, 08:54 AM Post #19 |
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That is because MN and PA are deep enough to field 2 teams. Also, there are roster size limits. From a developmental standpoint as well as keeping kids interests high and forming friends/getting great wrestling in...I say hats off to MN, for continuing to send 2 teams at all 3 levels of duals....for the kids I think the duals are the most fun. If you only send 1 team, so many kids would be staying home, really good wrestlers too! This way if you are the 3rd best kid in MN at a stacked weight, and maybe you can beat 80% plus of the kids out there, you STILL get to participate on a duals team, and wrestle some kids who don't go to ind. Natl. tourneys or fargo for whatever reason, lots of different kids to wrestle. I think it is in the best interest of MN wrestling overall, to continue to sent 2 quality teams at every level to duals. It certainly didn't hurt the School boys! Double Champs. (And there was not one single injury either.) AND PA who also had 2 teams, was runner up....2 best states had 2 teams each! |
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| crusader wrestling | Jun 26 2008, 11:05 AM Post #20 |
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Funny story, two years ago, MN sent two teams to the cadet duals. In greco, the #1 team did not win thier pool and the #2 team took second in thier pool. The differnce was that MN #2 had a forfit at one weight which cost them a dual vs. NY and the pool championship, while MN #1 had the extra wrestler at this weight. MN #2 could of placed in greco that year, had they had a full team and not given up 6 pts. Sometimes, even though one team might be better than the other, depending on a teams pool placement and matchups, the second team can finish higher. |
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| lilmatdog | Jun 26 2008, 11:28 AM Post #21 |
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Dylan is... I haven't talked to Destin lately. I have said before that I like Minnesota taking two teams out to the competitions. I was making an observation on the other states more than Minnesota. I still think PA is one notch above Minnesota but it looks like the gap might be closing... congratulations to all the coaches and others that are helping to close that gap. |
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| heavyweightdad | Jun 26 2008, 11:32 AM Post #22 |
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Funny story, two years ago, MN sent two teams to the cadet duals. In greco, the #1 team did not win thier pool and the #2 team took second in thier pool. The differnce was that MN #2 had a forfit at one weight which cost them a dual vs. NY and the pool championship, while MN #1 had the extra wrestler at this weight. MN #2 could of placed in greco that year, had they had a full team and not given up 6 pts. Sometimes, even though one team might be better than the other, depending on a teams pool placement and matchups, the second team can finish higher. Even so, I would pick more kids participating overall, (2 teams) than winning it. And absolutely, that could happen. However, with seeding, it isn't as likely that #1 team won't get 1-2 in their pool, but it could happen if an unranked team is particularily awesome and you happen to get them in your pool. When I saw the pool placements for SB duals, I was 99% certain Gold would place 1-2 and Marroon would be 2-4 based on seeding/luck of the draw etc. However, this year, regardless of pool placing Gold would have been fine, and Marroon could have made top 8 with a different draw....wrestling each other wouldn't be fun though, but it is extremely unlikely that will ever happen. |
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