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2AA Team & Individuals; Top contenders
Topic Started: Jun 23 2008, 11:03 AM (737,734 Views)
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Feb 5 2014, 08:53 AM
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Feb 4 2014, 08:36 PM
My guess is one, maybe two of these guys (220lbers) will be at 285. Also tough at 285 will be Swanson from ME and Burns from TCU both finished ahead of Lafavor at sections last year.
285 won't be a cakewalk for any one.
And Dalton Clause from GSL will be a force at whatever weight he chooses to go. 220 or 285
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My educated guess would be that Delano 220 goes 285. He has loses this year to Filk and Clouse at 220.

Last year he was the section runner-up by pinning LaFavor, Russell and dec. Burns.

Other results this year are Burns pinned Swanson and Russell, and Swnason pinned Russell
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Question, I know for the regular season Chanhassen and Chaska have been one team. Will either team wrestle team sections or do they split up and only wrestle ind. sections?
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Question, I know for the regular season Chanhassen and Chaska have been one team. Will either team wrestle team sections or do they split up and only wrestle ind. sections?
They have split for team sections in the past, I assume the same would happen this year too. Chanhassen is still in AAA, Chaska AA.
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Everyone can rest easy the CC co-op has to split up so they will be a non-factor in team competition in either 2aa or 2aaa

The Co-op has great coaching and great kids just very low numbers.

C & C offer lots of options for High school kids and everyone is easier than wrestling.
Edited by grand marshall, Feb 5 2014, 10:04 AM.
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Feb 5 2014, 09:58 AM
Everyone can rest easy the CC co-op has to split up so they will be a non-factor in team competition in either 2aa or 2aaa

This is a sore subject I hope they will be able to send a few individuals to the EXCEL CENTER.

Its not a co-op....which is why they must split. It sucks, but it is what it is.
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Everyone can rest easy the CC co-op has to split up so they will be a non-factor in team competition in either 2aa or 2aaa

The Co-op has great coaching and great kids just very low numbers.

C & C offer lots of options for High school kids and everyone is easier than wrestling.
But the questions was...

Is either team going to wrestle as a team in their appropriate section?
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Everyone can rest easy the CC co-op has to split up so they will be a non-factor in team competition in either 2aa or 2aaa

This is a sore subject I hope they will be able to send a few individuals to the EXCEL CENTER.

Its not a co-op....which is why they must split. It sucks, but it is what it is.
I think the boys think they are 1 team at least as far back as I can remember.

This has happened to other schools and it will continue to happen I just think its a Drag.

it works for some sports but not for all especially hard sports such as gymnastics and wrestling.

Good thing the C-C football team was split this year at least for Brainerd and Owatonna.

go Hawks. ;)
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Feb 5 2014, 09:58 AM
Everyone can rest easy the CC co-op has to split up so they will be a non-factor in team competition in either 2aa or 2aaa

The Co-op has great coaching and great kids just very low numbers.

C & C offer lots of options for High school kids and everyone is easier than wrestling.
But the questions was...

Is either team going to wrestle as a team in their appropriate section?
yes both will be bringing teams.
Edited by grand marshall, Feb 5 2014, 10:13 AM.
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Feb 5 2014, 09:58 AM
Everyone can rest easy the CC co-op has to split up so they will be a non-factor in team competition in either 2aa or 2aaa

The Co-op has great coaching and great kids just very low numbers.

C & C offer lots of options for High school kids and everyone is easier than wrestling.
But the questions was...

Is either team going to wrestle as a team in their appropriate section?
yes both will be bringing teams.
Are either one close to filling a roster w/o the other?
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Feb 5 2014, 10:11 AM
I think the boys think they are 1 team at least as far back as I can remember.

That is cool, they should feel that way, they are a TEAM...
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Feb 5 2014, 10:14 AM
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grand marshall
Feb 5 2014, 09:58 AM
Everyone can rest easy the CC co-op has to split up so they will be a non-factor in team competition in either 2aa or 2aaa

The Co-op has great coaching and great kids just very low numbers.

C & C offer lots of options for High school kids and everyone is easier than wrestling.
But the questions was...

Is either team going to wrestle as a team in their appropriate section?
yes both will be bringing teams.
Are either one close to filling a roster w/o the other?
nope
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Feb 5 2014, 10:20 AM
nope
Wow, that sucks.
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Feb 5 2014, 10:26 AM
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Feb 5 2014, 10:20 AM
nope
Wow, that sucks.
Chan has a better chance

Chaska has about 10 kids out for wrestling and 4 of them are 1st year wrestlers.

Some rules are killing Wrestling at some schools but if you change the rules some schools will take advantage of the rule.
Some Big suburban schools just cant get kids to Wrestle I have my ideas of why but I will keep them to myself.


Thank god for Baseball and Football.
Edited by grand marshall, Feb 5 2014, 10:34 AM.
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I honestly didn't try to start a debate. I was just wondering with them being new to the section if they wrestled team sections. Thank You.
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I am not sure who Cattle Catcher is but I think that the time that was spent writing this could have been used by him reading his most resent Trojan Grappler newsletter that just came in his mailbox. I think it is a little to heavily populated by NP kids
Yeah, its really hard to figure out who are the NP dads on here!!

EIGHT Trojans, before you make a list, you might want to look at the other teams in the section, just a thought.
I find it interesting the number of people that come on here and grumble and complain about other people’s opinions but do not have the steel to post their own lineup. Plus, their complaints are based upon unsupported assumptions. I did not realize that we had to show our homework along with the answers. For those that try to track other teams you understand the difficulty of finding results. The forum provides an opportunity to share information.

We each have our own bias from which we put our own spin on our opinions. Some 2AA weights have a very clear favorite, some have two clear favorites, but all of them have tough competition. Unfortunately there will be some really good wrestlers who may not be able to get to state, some will even be from New Prague. In fact, there are some really good kids from the same school at the same weight. In alphabetical order:

106 - Gillette(St. Peter), Luthers (Hutch) 26-9, Nowlan (Watertown) 24-4, Reyant (New Prague) 22-10, Sjomeling (Delano) #1 and 33-0, Staffacher (Scott West)

113 - Jewett (Glencoe) #2 and 23-3, Kelvington (Scott West) 22-10, O'Neil (New Prague), Pundesack (Hutch) formerly #6

120 – Dundas (MW), Longelin (New Prague), Sweeney (Watertown) #10 and 23-7, Schultz (Waconia), Wadsworth (Hutch)

126 – Donnay (Glencoe), Drew (Hutch) formerly #8, Flynn (Scott West) #1 and 32-2, Knutson (New Prague) formerly #7

132 - Backlund (Scott West), Kostelecky (Hutch) 27-8, Loosbrock (Chaska) formerly #7, Parriott (New Prague) #1 and 32-1, Thompson (St. Peter)

138 - Berg (New Prague) #2 and 32-3, Brownlee (Tri-City) #4, Richter (Glencoe), Siegle (Scott West) #1 and 31-1

145 – Donnay (Glencoe), Steinbauer (Waconia) #3, Sweeney (Watertown) #5 and 26-7, Tesch (Glencoe)

152 - Reinartz (New Prague) #10 and 26-9, Rutt (Tri-City), Schmidt (Hutch) #6 and 24-7

160 - Fogarty (Scott West) #1 and 33-1, Green (Waconia) #8, Heinz (New Prague) 26-9, Hemze (Waconia) formerly #10, Vouk (Watertown)

170 – Bosacker (St. Peter) formerly #10, Cooper (Watertown) 23-9, Dahlke (Scott West) #6 and 27-4, Selly (Tri-City) #2 and 29-2

182 - Fraser (Hutch) formerly #8, G. Jordahl (Hutch) #6 and 25-6, Malovsky (ME), Waligoski (Waconia)

195 - Carter (Scott West) formerly #9. P. Jordahl (Hutch) #5 and 32-2, Schultz (Scott West) 23-10

220 - Clouse (Glencoe) #5, Filk (Hutch) #4 and 31-2, Kneisl (Delano) #8 and 22-6, Wittman (Chaska)

285 - Lafavor (New Prague) 25-8, Swanson (ME), Teeslink (Waconia), Vanderheiden (Hutch) #5 and 28-5

Edited by Cattle Catcher, Feb 5 2014, 11:20 PM.
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I am not sure who Cattle Catcher is but I think that the time that was spent writing this could have been used by him reading his most resent Trojan Grappler newsletter that just came in his mailbox. I think it is a little to heavily populated by NP kids
Yeah, its really hard to figure out who are the NP dads on here!!

EIGHT Trojans, before you make a list, you might want to look at the other teams in the section, just a thought.
I find it interesting the number of people that come on here and grumble and complain about other people’s opinions but do not have the steel to post their own lineup. Plus, their complaints are based upon unsupported assumptions. I did not realize that we had to show our homework along with the answers. For those that try to track other teams you understand the difficulty of finding results. The forum provides an opportunity to share information.

We each have our own bias from which we put our own spin on our opinions. Some 2AA weights have a very clear favorite, some have two clear favorites, but all of them have tough competition. Unfortunately there will be some really good wrestlers who may not be able to get to state, some will even be from New Prague. In fact, there are some really good kids from the same school at the same weight. In alphabetical order:

106 - Gillette(St. Peter), Luthers (Hutch) 26-9, Nowlan (Watertown) 24-4, Reyant (New Prague) 22-10, Sjomeling (Delano) #1 and 33-0

113 - Jewett (Glencoe) #2 and 23-3, Kelvington (Scott West) 22-10, O'Neil (New Prague), Pundesack (Hutch) formerly #6

120 – Dundas (MW), Longelin (New Prague), Sweeney (Watertown) #10 and 23-7, Schultz (Waconia), Wadsworth (Hutch)

126 – Donnay (Glencoe), Drew (Hutch) formerly #8, Flynn (Scott West) #1 and 32-2, Knutson (New Prague) formerly #7

132 - Kostelecky (Hutch) 27-8, Loosbrock (Chaska) formerly #7, Parriott (New Prague) #1 and 32-1, Thompson (St. Peter)

138 - Berg (New Prague) #2 and 32-3, Brownlee (Tri-City) #4, Richter (Glencoe), Siegle (Scott West) #1 and 31-1

145 – Donnay (Glencoe), Steinbauer (Waconia) #3, Sweeney (Watertown) #5 and 26-7, Tesch (Glencoe)

152 - Reinartz (New Prague) #10 and 26-9, Rutt (Tri-City), Schmidt (Hutch) #6 and 24-7

160 - Fogarty (Scott West) #1 and 33-1, Green (Waconia) #8, Heinz (New Prague) 26-9, Hemze (Waconia) formerly #10, Vouk (Watertown)

170 – Bosacker (St. Peter) formerly #10, Cooper (Watertown) 23-9, Dahlke (Scott West) #6 and 27-4, Selly (Tri-City) #2 and 29-2

182 - Fraser (Hutch) formerly #8, G. Jordahl (Hutch) #6 and 25-6, Malovsky (ME) Waligoski (Waconia)

195 - Carter (Scott West) formerly #9. P. Jordahl (Hutch) #5 and 32-2 Schultz (Scott West) 23-10

220 - Clouse (Glencoe) #5, Filk (Hutch) #4 and 31-2, Kneisl (Delano) #8 and 22-6, Wittman (Chaska)

285 - Lafavor (New Prague) 25-8, Swanson (ME), Teeslink (Waconia), Vanderheiden (Hutch) #5 and 28-5

Very good list, but it seems as though you are leaving Scott West in the dust here with contenders also at 106 (Staffacher), 133 (Backlund), and 220 (Schultz)
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It is my understanding that Staffacher is injured which is why he is not listed. If my information is incorrect then he definitely will be a contender at 106. My apologize about the oversight for Backlund at 132. You may notice that I have Schultz at 195. Of course both Schultz and Carter cannot both be there for individuals but it shows flexibility that Scott West will have for team since both are very strong wrestlers. Is Schultz able to go down to 182 versus up to 220?
Edited by Cattle Catcher, Feb 5 2014, 10:58 PM.
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Stauffacher wrestled Friday so unless he got hurt sense then I'm pretty sure he is fine. And I did not see that you had Schultz at 195 as I stopped looking once I saw carters name. Not sure if he is able to get down to 182
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Stauffacher wrestled Friday so unless he got hurt sense then I'm pretty sure he is fine. And I did not see that you had Schultz at 195 as I stopped looking once I saw carters name. Not sure if he is able to get down to 182
Thanks! I made the corrections for Backlund and Staffacher.
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It is my understanding that Staffacher is injured which is why he is not listed. If my information is incorrect then he definitely will be a contender at 106. My apologize about the oversight for Backlund at 132. You may notice that I have Schultz at 195. Of course both Schultz and Carter cannot both be there for individuals but it shows flexibility that Scott West will have for team since both are very strong wrestlers. Is Schultz able to go down to 182 versus up to 220?
Carter has wrestled at 182 this year.
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Any results from Watertown and Waconia?
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Any results from Watertown and Waconia?
31-29 Waconia
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sorry posted twice
Edited by Guillodean, Feb 6 2014, 10:58 PM.
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any results from glencoe and new prague last night
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any results from glencoe and new prague last night
50-17 NP
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Section seeding to give it a try:

1. Scott West
2. Hutchinson
3. New Prague
4. Waconia
5. Watertown
6. GSL/LP
7. Tri-City
8. Delano
9. St. Peter
10. Mankato West
11. Mankato East
12. Chaska


So, Pick away!!!!!
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I'd say 1-6 look dead on. After that I couldn't tell ya! I don't think St. Peter wrestled Delano or Tri-City this year?
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I would think GSL/LP would no worse than the 5 seed with an argument for the 4. I don't know all the criteria they use for seeding but they beat Watertown head to head. They did loose to Waconia but have wins over two teams Waconia lost to and also finished ahead of them in the WCC tournament. I would guess it will be 4. Waconia 5. GSL 6. Watertown.
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I would agree GSL would have an argument, but I assume that head-to-head would trump most arguments. They could say they had guys missing, but others could say the same at different times during the year and that was why they lost. The micro analysis would take forever. End of the day, they will wrestle each other most likely, just depends who hosts.
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