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| Tibeco | Feb 1 2015, 06:57 PM Post #3781 |
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1st two rounds are at top seeded teams location...semis and finals are at Mankato East. Individuals are at Delano this year. |
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| !!!!! | Feb 1 2015, 07:16 PM Post #3782 |
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Thank you. What time do the semi's start in Mankato? |
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| Tibeco | Feb 1 2015, 07:22 PM Post #3783 |
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Mshsl website doesn't say. |
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| BLuth | Feb 2 2015, 07:28 AM Post #3784 |
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The final 4 will be held at Mankato East on Feb 14th. I believe the schedule is semi's at 4 and finals at 6
Edited by BLuth, Feb 2 2015, 07:30 AM.
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| buwahkon | Feb 4 2015, 04:56 AM Post #3785 |
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New Prague Scott West Waconia Hutchinson Most logical |
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| Chavez | Feb 4 2015, 09:59 AM Post #3786 |
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I am not sure what is most logical? Each team has quality wins, and will have to wrestle extremely well to get out of section 2AA. I think NP, SW and Hutch all have a chance to advance to State, but have to give SW the edge. I wasn't at the dual, but rumor has it that SW wrestled fairly poorly against NP, and was still in a position to win. I also heard that the ref had a tough time slapping the mat, and more than likely the 132 match should have been a pin, instead of a TF. Again, I wasn't there and give full credit to NP for winning the dual, but believe it could go very differently next time. Thoughts? |
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| MNGrapler1 | Feb 4 2015, 10:10 AM Post #3787 |
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The ref did seem to have a hard time slapping the mat, but for both sides. 120 and 160 could have really gone either way, this time NP came out on top there. But... 126, and 195 could have also gone either way, and SW won those weights this time. Should be a very interesting/exciting section finals (if they make it that far)! |
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| grand marshall | Feb 4 2015, 03:45 PM Post #3788 |
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I hope the Refs at Sections are able to get into position to see FALLS faster than the ones we have been seeing thus far. |
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| Bauerpower | Feb 4 2015, 04:26 PM Post #3789 |
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I've also noticed it throughout the year that most refs are not in position to see the fall and then when they get into position they have already missed it! Hopefully grand marshall your hopes come true for sections but I'm betting not. It should be the kids determining the outcome of these matches and not the refs! |
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| IMONTOPSTEP | Feb 5 2015, 02:18 PM Post #3790 |
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I agree the mat slapping on both sides seemed more like a youth tournament. I thought the quality of wrestling was good on both sides, as did not see any real "upsets" from either side. Could say Reyant over Piche was - but he was only ranked 9th - not a major upset, and Reyant did win by a 4-5 point margin. 126 was extremely tight match - with Logelin giving every point to Scott West - 2 penalty, and cutting him - do not see that happening next time. 160 was very exciting - would not want to predict who would win 2nd time around. IF SW and NP wrestle again - I expect it to be very tight again - just the way the two teams match up. Also - flip is a big thing - and Scott West won that! If NP would have won the flip - they may have lost? Strange to say - but looking back it appears that way. Who will win the flip this time - could be deciding factor. |
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| buwahkon | Feb 9 2015, 01:37 PM Post #3791 |
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seeding meeting tonight? |
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| !!!!! | Feb 9 2015, 02:46 PM Post #3792 |
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Or they may have won by more ;) Yes, the seeding meeting is tonight. I hope they get it posted as quick as the other sections. 2AA always seems to be the last one to have them posted. |
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| Chavez | Feb 9 2015, 04:31 PM Post #3793 |
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My guess is: NP SW Waconia Hutch |
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| .75 Nelson | Feb 9 2015, 09:33 PM Post #3794 |
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http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/showbrackets.asp?tournid=90 NP SW WAC Hutch WM GSL TCU StP Del MW ME Chaska |
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| bananasplits | Feb 10 2015, 10:06 AM Post #3795 |
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I don't see New Prague beating Hutch, Scott West and Hutch will be wrestling for a state tournament bid. |
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| Cattle Catcher | Feb 10 2015, 10:24 AM Post #3796 |
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OK, I will take a bite at the bait that you dangled, although I am a bit disappointed that your premise is based on what appears to be a belief and is not supported by any observation of performances between New Prague and Hutchinson. I expect the outcome on Saturday between New Prague and Hutchinson will flip from their prior match a month ago on January 9th. First, Longelin was not in the line-up so that match will flip to New Prague. Secondly, New Prague had two JV wrestling in the lineup which will not happen, provided there are no injuries. Thirdly, Knutson wrestled up two weights and was at 182. New Prague has seen what Hutchinson has up top and will be set with better matchups. It will be a close meet but I have to give the edge to New Prague. Edited by Cattle Catcher, Feb 10 2015, 10:42 AM.
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| Jared | Feb 10 2015, 11:32 AM Post #3797 |
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Knutson was up 3 weight classes. |
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| bananasplits | Feb 10 2015, 11:51 AM Post #3798 |
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Sometimes belief is all you have to go on. Riley Drew has been wrestling at 126 now so I wouldn't jump to giving that Logelin match to NP. I understand Knutson was up a few weights, but he did score a major so that didn't hurt them. Gullickson in at 220 could make a difference, i guess we will see come this weekend. I would be interested if Hutch thinks about wrestling Tate against Woodyard and moving Luthens up against Rutt to try and win both matches this time. |
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| !!!!! | Feb 10 2015, 12:07 PM Post #3799 |
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Or it is possible they lose both that way. |
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| Jared | Feb 10 2015, 12:27 PM Post #3800 |
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Hutch wont get both match ups with Drew vs Logelin and Filk vs. Gullickson. I think both semifinal matches will be intense. Waconia might give Scott West all they can handle as well. |
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| Cattle Catcher | Feb 10 2015, 03:29 PM Post #3801 |
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We are both on the same page. Most likely both teams will have a different look to get some different matchups. Some of the matchups will probably be determined by who has to go out first. The number of wins will probably be an even split again with the deciding factor who gets the most bonus points. |
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| Bauerpower | Feb 10 2015, 05:22 PM Post #3802 |
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I would say Luthens will stay at 106 and Mateski at 113 for Hutch. Mateski beat K. Nowlan W-M 10-4 mid Janurary and is wrestling tough. Anderson was at 113 when Hutch and NP wrestled earlier in the year. |
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| .75 Nelson | Feb 12 2015, 08:29 AM Post #3803 |
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Team sections start today and nobody has anything to say??? No smacktalk? This thread is getting real boring. |
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| Chavez | Feb 12 2015, 10:19 AM Post #3804 |
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Assuming the top 4 teams advance to Saturday, how does Waconia and SW matchup? I haven't seen much of Waconia this year, but they are obviously competitive as they have some nice wins. Projections, matchups, predictions? I think the NP/Hutch match will be a dog fight, and could come down to the wire. Hutch should dominate the match in the upper weights, but will need to win a few down low to give their big guys a chance. |
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| Cattle Catcher | Feb 12 2015, 10:20 AM Post #3805 |
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Fine, I will pick up the gauntlet and channel Nostradamus to throw down some predictions. Although Watertown-Mayer will be a good challenge to Hutchinson, Hutch will prevail as they did two weeks ago. The score may be a bit closer but probably still at least a ten point separation. Hutch will go against New Prague in the semi’s but the line ups will look quite a bit different from their meet a month earlier on January 9th. In general the strengths of New Prague do not match up well with Hutch but with Longelin in the line-up (and possibly Arquedas and the younger Kvam) the favor will go to New Prague for a close win of a couple points, maybe 31-29. Waconia will meet up with Scott West in the semis but Waconia will not be able to keep things close enough so Scott West wins with about a ten point margin. In the earlier January 29th match between Scott West and New Prague they pretty much wrestled their line-ups as printed in the program. There may be some slight changes but nothing very significant so it will come down to who wrestles better, or worse, the second time around. I could see Scott West potentially not giving up some of the bonus points but I do not see them gaining any additional bonus points either. There are also a couple of weights that could flip to New Prague (126 and 195 for example) that would make up for any bonus points that New Prague recieved in the January match. The winner will probably again be determined at the conclusion of the 220 class but New Prague will again be ahead enough to win by a point or two. |
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| Chavez | Feb 12 2015, 11:00 AM Post #3806 |
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I agree with just about everything you said Cattle Catcher, good job on the predictions. I do however see that there are 2 matches that could go in SW favor this round, 120 and 160. So if the swing matches: 120/126/160/195 get split evenly again, this is going to be a very tight match. Also, the only place I can see SW getting extra bonus points that they didn't in round #1 would be at 113 and 160/170(fogarty). |
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| Cattle Catcher | Feb 12 2015, 01:01 PM Post #3807 |
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I have contemplated those matches but I think many have under estimated both Reyant and Arquedas and therefore have been surprised at their performance in January. Sam is a very good wresler at a really tough weight and has been on varsity since 8th grade. Although he may not havet dominated his match against Piche, he apeared to be in better control while riding. His win/loss ratio is deceptive since he has gone against quite a few highly ranked wrestlers during New Pragues dual meets this year as well as at the Cheesehead. New Prague has a tough schedule with ten of New Prague's 23 duals against ranked teams and another three duals were against Lean and Mean teams. Nick Arguedas has the unfortunate postion of being behind teh trio of Knutson, Parriott and Berg so he is not often seen since most his matches have been on JV. For somebody that went to 9th grade state as both a 8th and 9th grader (placing 7th last year) for many teams he would be on the varsity team. Unfortunately for New Prague, he is now on the radar of other teams when he steps out on the mat and is no longer an unkown JV wrestler filling a spot. Edited by Cattle Catcher, Feb 12 2015, 01:02 PM.
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| dolce vita | Feb 12 2015, 01:20 PM Post #3808 |
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I don't think you guys should be looking past Hutch and Waconia so easily. Hutch matches up very well with NP and it could very well be a repeat win for Hutch. Although Scott West and Waconia have not wrestled this year, if you compare both of their matches with Shakopee, Hutch and New Prague they have almost identical outcomes. So maybe you should wait to get past round 0ne first! |
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| !!!!! | Feb 12 2015, 01:26 PM Post #3809 |
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I don't think cattle catcher is looking past Hutch as he predicted it to be a 29-31 dual. |
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| Cattle Catcher | Feb 12 2015, 01:59 PM Post #3810 |
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You will also notice my statement that New Prague's strengths do not match up well against Hutchinson. This is another way of stating that the advantages of strengths go to Hutch. I am not putting the cart ahead of the horse in my predictions. If I did have that type of intuition into the future I would be $500 M richer this morning :-/ . I am merely stating an opinion. I thnk the general stream of thought here is that both semi's and the finals will all be close. This also does not take into account the variable that Watertown-Mayer may really create an upset. This would probably be unlikely but is not necessarily crazy talk. |
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