BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 01:04 PM

Here come the defenders. I am guessing that if he was from another town other than yours that you would be on board as well :).

You are completely correct rankings mean absolutely nothing, but why not reward the kids that are doing well and not the kids that are unable to contribute at that time for whatever reason (Injury, Skin issues, Illness, or Weight issues). Everybody likes to say that rankings mean nothing and they are right, but I find it hard to believe that you are not sitting by the computer on Friday mornings waiting to look at the new rankings when they come out.

Here is another point that I dont understand. Why do they continue to rank a kid at 113 when he has a hard time even make weight at 120 after the 2 lb. new years allowance. Not sure if it is true thats a rumor I heard.

OOPS same team. Here come the defenders again!!!!

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 01:04 PM

Here come the defenders. I am guessing that if he was from another town other than yours that you would be on board as well :).

You are completely correct rankings mean absolutely nothing, but why not reward the kids that are doing well and not the kids that are unable to contribute at that time for whatever reason (Injury, Skin issues, Illness, or Weight issues). Everybody likes to say that rankings mean nothing and they are right, but I find it hard to believe that you are not sitting by the computer on Friday mornings waiting to look at the new rankings when they come out.

Here is another point that I dont understand. Why do they continue to rank a kid at 113 when he has a hard time even make weight at 120 after the 2 lb. new years allowance. Not sure if it is true thats a rumor I heard.

OOPS same team. Here come the defenders again!!!!

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 12:32 PM

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 11:38 AM

I have never understood how a kid can be ranked for the entire year when he is not wrestling!!! Most kids have had 20+ matches already this year. Why is anybody ranked that is not wrestling? Every other kid in the state has to do both Make Weight and Prove themselves on a weekly basis in order to be ranked, but some kids just get a free pass. I am sure that his fans will come to his defense and say that he is getting close but he hasn't proven anything yet this year.

Why does it matter?

He is ranked because he is a returning place winner.

The rankings editors have also done this in the past for returning place winners who were recovering from injury and returned later in the year.

Rankings don't guarantee results. Its simply an opinion of where someone is based on the person ranking them.

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 03:04 PM

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 01:04 PM

Here come the defenders. I am guessing that if he was from another town other than yours that you would be on board as well :).

You are completely correct rankings mean absolutely nothing, but why not reward the kids that are doing well and not the kids that are unable to contribute at that time for whatever reason (Injury, Skin issues, Illness, or Weight issues). Everybody likes to say that rankings mean nothing and they are right, but I find it hard to believe that you are not sitting by the computer on Friday mornings waiting to look at the new rankings when they come out.

Here is another point that I dont understand. Why do they continue to rank a kid at 113 when he has a hard time even make weight at 120 after the 2 lb. new years allowance. Not sure if it is true thats a rumor I heard.

OOPS same team. Here come the defenders again!!!!

You came on here whining about the SW wrestler being ranked and asked a question as to why he was ranked when he hasn't wrestled.

I answered you with what I have seen in the past and the explanation the particular ratings editor provided when asked.

The wrestler has nothing to do with what the ranking editor put them at or decides to keep them at. If you feel the rating editor should make changes, sack up and send him an email to question him on it instead taking shots at the kids on here.

Are you just looking for an argument? Sure seems like it, the way you responded.

Curious as to why aren't you claiming Hutch should be above SW since they won that dual?

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 04:59 PM

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 12:32 PM

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 11:38 AM

I have never understood how a kid can be ranked for the entire year when he is not wrestling!!! Most kids have had 20+ matches already this year. Why is anybody ranked that is not wrestling? Every other kid in the state has to do both Make Weight and Prove themselves on a weekly basis in order to be ranked, but some kids just get a free pass. I am sure that his fans will come to his defense and say that he is getting close but he hasn't proven anything yet this year.

Why does it matter?

He is ranked because he is a returning place winner.

The rankings editors have also done this in the past for returning place winners who were recovering from injury and returned later in the year.

Rankings don't guarantee results. Its simply an opinion of where someone is based on the person ranking them.

Its a slap in the face to the kids that put the work in all season and don't get ranked. If he makes weight and wrestles more power to him but to be ranked for half of the season and not even wrestle a match is pretty ridiculous. Ranking don't guarantee results but apparently results don't guarantee rankings either.

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 04:59 PM

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 12:32 PM

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 11:38 AM

I have never understood how a kid can be ranked for the entire year when he is not wrestling!!! Most kids have had 20+ matches already this year. Why is anybody ranked that is not wrestling? Every other kid in the state has to do both Make Weight and Prove themselves on a weekly basis in order to be ranked, but some kids just get a free pass. I am sure that his fans will come to his defense and say that he is getting close but he hasn't proven anything yet this year.

Why does it matter?

He is ranked because he is a returning place winner.

The rankings editors have also done this in the past for returning place winners who were recovering from injury and returned later in the year.

Rankings don't guarantee results. Its simply an opinion of where someone is based on the person ranking them.

Its a slap in the face to the kids that put the work in all season and don't get ranked. If he makes weight and wrestles more power to him but to be ranked for half of the season and not even wrestle a match is pretty ridiculous. Ranking don't guarantee results but apparently results don't guarantee rankings either.

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 05:16 PM

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 04:59 PM

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 12:32 PM

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 11:38 AM

I have never understood how a kid can be ranked for the entire year when he is not wrestling!!! Most kids have had 20+ matches already this year. Why is anybody ranked that is not wrestling? Every other kid in the state has to do both Make Weight and Prove themselves on a weekly basis in order to be ranked, but some kids just get a free pass. I am sure that his fans will come to his defense and say that he is getting close but he hasn't proven anything yet this year.

Why does it matter?

He is ranked because he is a returning place winner.

The rankings editors have also done this in the past for returning place winners who were recovering from injury and returned later in the year.

Rankings don't guarantee results. Its simply an opinion of where someone is based on the person ranking them.

Its a slap in the face to the kids that put the work in all season and don't get ranked. If he makes weight and wrestles more power to him but to be ranked for half of the season and not even wrestle a match is pretty ridiculous. Ranking don't guarantee results but apparently results don't guarantee rankings either.

Send a message to the ranking editor to complain.

You guys are acting like its the kids fault the editor has chosen to rank him even though he hasn't wrestled.

Coming on here to complain isn't going to change it.

I have sent suggestions/updates in the past and always received a response as to what they are going to do or not do. Heck I have sent messages to the ranking editors at Intermat and Flo to ask questions (better understanding a ranking) and graciously both times they responded to me with feedback. They don't bite.

And is it really a slap in the face? What happens if he is removed and they add someone you don't think belongs there? Is that a new slap in the face?

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 05:28 PM

I did read your first post and you didn't strike a nerve.

You asked why...I told you why, based on what I have seen in the past as I explained. You came back with a reply and added a second wrestler and cried fans are running to their defense. There was no defense in my message, it simply stated what I have seen in the past you and you didn't like it.

After that, you brought up Huss, so I called you out on your veiled attempt to point out your issues as being with Schatz and Huss. Just because you don't mention their names, doesn't mean everyone doesn't know who you are talking about.

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 05:35 PM

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 05:16 PM

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 04:59 PM

Jeep'n

Jan 12 2016, 12:32 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

Its a slap in the face to the kids that put the work in all season and don't get ranked. If he makes weight and wrestles more power to him but to be ranked for half of the season and not even wrestle a match is pretty ridiculous. Ranking don't guarantee results but apparently results don't guarantee rankings either.

Send a message to the ranking editor to complain.

You guys are acting like its the kids fault the editor has chosen to rank him even though he hasn't wrestled.

Coming on here to complain isn't going to change it.

I have sent suggestions/updates in the past and always received a response as to what they are going to do or not do. Heck I have sent messages to the ranking editors at Intermat and Flo to ask questions (better understanding a ranking) and graciously both times they responded to me with feedback. They don't bite.

And is it really a slap in the face? What happens if he is removed and they add someone you don't think belongs there? Is that a new slap in the face?

Not a slap in the face if the kid deserves it. I just don't think its right that someone could be ranked all season and not wrestle, it would be one thing if he wrestled a couple matches and had gotten hurt but to go off of last years results doesn't seem right this far into the season.

Guillotine reader

Jan 12 2016, 08:50 PM

For the record,Kyle Snyder is ranked #2 at hwt. in college without wrestling a match.You hutch guys should probably argue that one too. How dare they rank someone off past performance!

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 10:12 PM

There was an 8th grader ranked in Class A on the first poll this winter that hadn't wrestled a match since 5th grade

.75 Nelson

Jan 12 2016, 10:44 PM

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 10:12 PM

There was an 8th grader ranked in Class A on the first poll this winter that hadn't wrestled a match since 5th grade

No way. This cannot be accurate.

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 01:56 PM

Here are my current top 5 team rankings(Which mean nothing) :)
1. Waconia
2. Watertown/Mayer
3. Scott West
4. New Prague
5. Hutch

I think the order that you have the teams listed could very well be the way that it would be seeded, If the season was over today

Cyclone

Jan 13 2016, 12:45 PM

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 01:56 PM

Here are my current top 5 team rankings(Which mean nothing) :)
1. Waconia
2. Watertown/Mayer
3. Scott West
4. New Prague
5. Hutch

I think the order that you have the teams listed could very well be the way that it would be seeded, If the season was over today

A few matches left to decide this order:
Jan 14: NP@Wac
Jan 28: Wac@SW
Jan 28: NP@WM/ML
Feb 04: Hutch@WM/ML

Will be a lot of close matches; will depend on whose healthy, makes weight, coin toss......could see a couple of teams with 1 or 2 loses.

doubleleg344

Jan 13 2016, 11:27 AM

.75 Nelson

Jan 12 2016, 10:44 PM

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 10:12 PM

There was an 8th grader ranked in Class A on the first poll this winter that hadn't wrestled a match since 5th grade

No way. This cannot be accurate.

This would be very hard to believe

BRM8

Jan 14 2016, 09:22 AM

doubleleg344

Jan 13 2016, 11:27 AM

.75 Nelson

Jan 12 2016, 10:44 PM

BRM8

Jan 12 2016, 10:12 PM

There was an 8th grader ranked in Class A on the first poll this winter that hadn't wrestled a match since 5th grade

No way. This cannot be accurate.

This would be very hard to believe

Look at the 11-13-15 rankings, Class A 106 lb. 10th ranked form ACGC. He was injured most of 6th grade and broke his collarbone first week of practice as a 7th grader and didn't wrestle all year. He's a good wrestler but I'm just giving examples of flaws in the system.

JSMills

Jan 13 2016, 06:37 PM

Cyclone

Jan 13 2016, 12:45 PM

BLuth

Jan 12 2016, 01:56 PM

Here are my current top 5 team rankings(Which mean nothing) :)
1. Waconia
2. Watertown/Mayer
3. Scott West
4. New Prague
5. Hutch

I think the order that you have the teams listed could very well be the way that it would be seeded, If the season was over today

A few matches left to decide this order:
Jan 14: NP@Wac
Jan 28: Wac@SW
Jan 28: NP@WM/ML
Feb 04: Hutch@WM/ML

Will be a lot of close matches; will depend on whose healthy, makes weight, coin toss......could see a couple of teams with 1 or 2 loses.

Toughest section in the state - - - AGAIN!

Cattle Catcher

Jan 14 2016, 10:39 AM

BRM8

Jan 14 2016, 09:22 AM

doubleleg344

Jan 13 2016, 11:27 AM

.75 Nelson

Jan 12 2016, 10:44 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

This would be very hard to believe

Look at the 11-13-15 rankings, Class A 106 lb. 10th ranked form ACGC. He was injured most of 6th grade and broke his collarbone first week of practice as a 7th grader and didn't wrestle all year. He's a good wrestler but I'm just giving examples of flaws in the system.

I do not think it is so much a flaw in the system as much as the uncertainty inherent to a preseason ranking (especially for the lighter wieghts in which there will be more unknowns) and what the rankings are trying to demonsrate. You will notice that this wrestler was no longer on the list by the 12/11 ranking when actual performance during the season can be considered. The rankings will be no better than the amount and quality of information that is provided to the ranker. The question is should the rankings represent the perception of who are the top wrestlers that step out on the mat at this time in the season or a projection of the top wrestlers at the end of the season.

Jim Comet

Jan 14 2016, 01:05 PM

Should be a good match in Hutch tonight. Both Delano and Hutch are solid in the lower weights and top weights. 220 should be a great match with Kneisl undefeated and Stenzel with 1 loss. 126 could see Sjomeling verses Luthens. Jim

grand marshall

Jan 14 2016, 01:46 PM

Jim Comet

Jan 14 2016, 01:05 PM

Should be a good match in Hutch tonight. Both Delano and Hutch are solid in the lower weights and top weights. 220 should be a great match with Kneisl undefeated and Stenzel with 1 loss. 126 could see Sjomeling verses Luthens. Jim

I predict Kneisel pins Stenzel.

I also predict Tucker will follow suit.

B)

Daddy

Jan 14 2016, 02:16 PM

grand marshall

Jan 14 2016, 01:46 PM

Jim Comet

Jan 14 2016, 01:05 PM

Should be a good match in Hutch tonight. Both Delano and Hutch are solid in the lower weights and top weights. 220 should be a great match with Kneisl undefeated and Stenzel with 1 loss. 126 could see Sjomeling verses Luthens. Jim

I predict Kneisel pins Stenzel.

I also predict Tucker will follow suit.

B)

Last time Tucker and Luthens wrestled I believe it was a tech fall so....