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2AA Team & Individuals; Top contenders
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one bottom	Feb 12 2016, 06:40 AM Post #4201
Wrestling Fan Posts: 86 Group: Die Hard Member #10,350 Joined: January 26, 2008	Yes not sure why you would get so worked up when you have the match pretty much won already.



buwahkon	Feb 12 2016, 07:37 AM Post #4202
Super Fan Posts: 241 Group: Die Hard Member #20,453 Joined: October 19, 2012	ung519 Feb 12 2016, 06:34 AM ForTheLoveOfTheSport Feb 12 2016, 01:38 AM I hate to say it but fans from both parties were brutal in Waconia tonight. Hopefully kinks can get worked out before Saturday. I was embarrassed to be a fan in that gym. It is one person with Waconia that ruins it for all the fans. The rest of the Waconia parents are a tribute to the sport. Poor sportsmanship is an ugly thing, these are kids, not pro athletes. I bet I could point out that ONE parent too!!! He was brilliant at MSU Edited by buwahkon, Feb 12 2016, 07:47 AM.



.75 Nelson	Feb 12 2016, 07:53 AM Post #4203
Super Fan Posts: 436 Group: Die Hard Member #10,399 Joined: January 29, 2008	How about some results? Any upsets last night?



buwahkon	Feb 12 2016, 07:56 AM Post #4204
Super Fan Posts: 241 Group: Die Hard Member #20,453 Joined: October 19, 2012	.75 Nelson Feb 12 2016, 07:53 AM How about some results? Any upsets last night? https://theguillotine.com/2016-class-aa-section-2-team-tournament/ and still waiting results from Hutch



.75 Nelson	Feb 12 2016, 08:03 AM Post #4205
Super Fan Posts: 436 Group: Die Hard Member #10,399 Joined: January 29, 2008	Thanks, I found those, but was wondering what happened in Hutch.



buwahkon	Feb 12 2016, 08:16 AM Post #4206
Super Fan Posts: 241 Group: Die Hard Member #20,453 Joined: October 19, 2012	.75 Nelson Feb 12 2016, 08:03 AM Thanks, I found those, but was wondering what happened in Hutch. {{ it's a secret}}



Jared	Feb 12 2016, 08:27 AM Post #4207
Fantastic Posts: 1,639 Group: Fantastic Member #634 Joined: January 4, 2005	JSMills Feb 11 2016, 10:27 PM IMONTOPSTEP Feb 11 2016, 09:29 PM Jeep'n Feb 11 2016, 09:24 PM My guess...a good opportunity for Buesgens to see Schmitz before individuals. Guess that could be it - but that would not be my guess. My guess - Why risk losing 12 points (pins at 182 and 195) when Buesgens can give up 13 lbs. and still will at 195? Net is 9 points in SW's favor. It was just a question about Buesgens going up a weight, dont read into it to much. Buesgens and Schmitz are both at 182. I just figured Scott West had it sealed up why wouldn't they let a match up happen that will never happen again. Parriott is always looking for a good match (hense going up to 160 for Christmas tourney). He would of weighed in at 152 if he would of possibly got a match with Kelvington. If you don't think giving up 30 pounds to a highly ranked kid 3 weight classes higher then him would be a good match then I guess we will just agree to disagree. I guess Scott West just wanted to make a point on a wounded New Prague squad?



buwahkon	Feb 12 2016, 09:09 AM Post #4208
Super Fan Posts: 241 Group: Die Hard Member #20,453 Joined: October 19, 2012	Jared Feb 12 2016, 08:27 AM JSMills Feb 11 2016, 10:27 PM IMONTOPSTEP Feb 11 2016, 09:29 PM Jeep'n Feb 11 2016, 09:24 PM My guess...a good opportunity for Buesgens to see Schmitz before individuals. Guess that could be it - but that would not be my guess. My guess - Why risk losing 12 points (pins at 182 and 195) when Buesgens can give up 13 lbs. and still will at 195? Net is 9 points in SW's favor. It was just a question about Buesgens going up a weight, dont read into it to much. Buesgens and Schmitz are both at 182. I just figured Scott West had it sealed up why wouldn't they let a match up happen that will never happen again. Parriott is always looking for a good match (hense going up to 160 for Christmas tourney). He would of weighed in at 152 if he would of possibly got a match with Kelvington. If you don't think giving up 30 pounds to a highly ranked kid 3 weight classes higher then him would be a good match then I guess we will just agree to disagree. I guess Scott West just wanted to make a point on a wounded New Prague squad? I don't understand how you cant see that a match against a possible individual sections opponent next week would be MUCH more beneficial to Buesgens an a meaningless match against a #3 Ranked in the Nation, Division 1 recruit... He didn't run. He even asked the coaches but was told this would be more beneficial. Lighten up NP Fans



Jeep'n	Feb 12 2016, 09:13 AM Post #4209
Fantastic Posts: 2,151 Group: Die Hard Member #10,213 Joined: January 17, 2008	You mean you assumed SW wanted to make the point in your head? What benefit was it to Buesgens to wrestle Parriott? As mentioned earlier, he is an incredible wrestler and young man (I already have my tickets to watch and cheer for him against team USA next month). Yes it may have given him a better match, but by going with Schmitz, Buesgens gets to see someone he may very well meet next week. In my opinion, that's a better match for Buesgens. At least note its your opinion SW did something than trying to state it as fact.



buwahkon	Feb 12 2016, 09:18 AM Post #4210
Super Fan Posts: 241 Group: Die Hard Member #20,453 Joined: October 19, 2012	BLuth, Got any Hutch results?



BLuth	Feb 12 2016, 09:23 AM Post #4211
Wrestling Fan Posts: 73 Group: Die Hard Member #20,869 Joined: January 31, 2013	buwahkon Feb 12 2016, 09:18 AM BLuth, Got any Hutch results? I dont have all of the individual matchups. I will encourage the right people to get that posted. I can take a guess at it. If needed



buwahkon	Feb 12 2016, 09:24 AM Post #4212
Super Fan Posts: 241 Group: Die Hard Member #20,453 Joined: October 19, 2012	BLuth Feb 12 2016, 09:23 AM buwahkon Feb 12 2016, 09:18 AM BLuth, Got any Hutch results? I dont have all of the individual matchups. I will encourage the right people to get that posted. I can take a guess at it. If needed I assume your team will be moving on?



BLuth	Feb 12 2016, 09:29 AM Post #4213
Wrestling Fan Posts: 73 Group: Die Hard Member #20,869 Joined: January 31, 2013	buwahkon Feb 12 2016, 09:24 AM BLuth Feb 12 2016, 09:23 AM buwahkon Feb 12 2016, 09:18 AM BLuth, Got any Hutch results? I dont have all of the individual matchups. I will encourage the right people to get that posted. I can take a guess at it. If needed I assume your team will be moving on? Hutch 66- Waseca 7 was the final



Salto	Feb 12 2016, 09:33 AM Post #4214
Newbie Posts: 2 Group: Member Member #23,591 Joined: February 9, 2016	buwahkon Feb 12 2016, 07:37 AM ung519 Feb 12 2016, 06:34 AM ForTheLoveOfTheSport Feb 12 2016, 01:38 AM I hate to say it but fans from both parties were brutal in Waconia tonight. Hopefully kinks can get worked out before Saturday. I was embarrassed to be a fan in that gym. It is one person with Waconia that ruins it for all the fans. The rest of the Waconia parents are a tribute to the sport. Poor sportsmanship is an ugly thing, these are kids, not pro athletes. I bet I could point out that ONE parent too!!! He was brilliant at MSU Not him. Unless you're a ref. ;) It is shocking how fired up and nasty parents have become. I could rattle off a half dozen jaw dropping stories I've seen this year. And it spills into the kids -- Twitter is a war zone. I hope Saturday in Hutch is well-behaved.



buwahkon	Feb 12 2016, 09:40 AM Post #4215
Super Fan Posts: 241 Group: Die Hard Member #20,453 Joined: October 19, 2012	BLuth Feb 12 2016, 09:29 AM buwahkon Feb 12 2016, 09:24 AM BLuth Feb 12 2016, 09:23 AM buwahkon Feb 12 2016, 09:18 AM BLuth, Got any Hutch results? I dont have all of the individual matchups. I will encourage the right people to get that posted. I can take a guess at it. If needed I assume your team will be moving on? Hutch 66- Waseca 7 was the final Thanks



IMONTOPSTEP	Feb 12 2016, 09:55 AM Post #4216
Fantastic Posts: 1,165 Group: Die Hard Member #1,101 Joined: January 17, 2005	Jeep'n Feb 12 2016, 09:13 AM You mean you assumed SW wanted to make the point in your head? What benefit was it to Buesgens to wrestle Parriott? As mentioned earlier, he is an incredible wrestler and young man (I already have my tickets to watch and cheer for him against team USA next month). Yes it may have given him a better match, but by going with Schmitz, Buesgens gets to see someone he may very well meet next week. In my opinion, that's a better match for Buesgens. At least note its your opinion SW did something than trying to state it as fact. I think the benefit would have been to the fans and the sport of wrestling. A Scott West coach (that I highly respect) - told me at the Christmas tournament that he was "glad Griffin went up to wrestle Berge - and wished more coaches and wrestlers would do that, that is what fans want to see - and that it is good for the sport of wrestling". But then this opportunity came along, and it did not happen. The dual had already been determined - it was not going to effect either for their seeding at sections. It may have been a little excitement in a dual that was pretty lopsided. JMO



Jeep'n	Feb 12 2016, 10:02 AM Post #4217
Fantastic Posts: 2,151 Group: Die Hard Member #10,213 Joined: January 17, 2008	I appreciate your opinion. But if you are a week away from individuals and you get chance to wrestle someone you may very well see, wouldn't you as a coach ensure the wrestler gets that experience? The kids don't wrestle for the fan's entertainment. Most have an end goal of making it to state and finishing as high as they can. In doing so, they and their coaches, will do what best to achieve that goal.



Jared	Feb 12 2016, 10:42 AM Post #4218
Fantastic Posts: 1,639 Group: Fantastic Member #634 Joined: January 4, 2005	Jeep'n Feb 12 2016, 10:02 AM I appreciate your opinion. But if you are a week away from individuals and you get chance to wrestle someone you may very well see, wouldn't you as a coach ensure the wrestler gets that experience? The kids don't wrestle for the fan's entertainment. Most have an end goal of making it to state and finishing as high as they can. In doing so, they and their coaches, will do what best to achieve that goal. JMO, my senior year when I wrestled 171, I would of loved to see a wrestler that weighed 140 come up and try to wrestle me. That would of been a highlight of my wrestling career possibly beating a nationally ranked wrestler. If people would of told me he would pin me, especially from my own team, I would of laughed in there face. If you think wrestling the same kid over and over has more "benefit", then obviously we have different views. In a time we need to grow wrestling, I hate to tell you Jeep, the fans help grow wrestling. Money grows wrestling, the more fans, the more money. If wrestling a national ranked wrestler is going to prevent you from making it to state, then there are bigger problems.



Jared	Feb 12 2016, 10:50 AM Post #4219
Fantastic Posts: 1,639 Group: Fantastic Member #634 Joined: January 4, 2005	Jeep'n Feb 12 2016, 09:13 AM You mean you assumed SW wanted to make the point in your head? What benefit was it to Buesgens to wrestle Parriott? As mentioned earlier, he is an incredible wrestler and young man (I already have my tickets to watch and cheer for him against team USA next month). Yes it may have given him a better match, but by going with Schmitz, Buesgens gets to see someone he may very well meet next week. In my opinion, that's a better match for Buesgens. At least note its your opinion SW did something than trying to state it as fact. Please note that's your opinion. Back at you ;) I'm a wrestling fan, I know you are hot headed and use to getting your way. I was just asking a question, after you stated "your" opinion, I still don't see a point to take advantage of the opportunity. I'm giving Buesgens a lot of credit, I'm a fan of his and I know it wasn't his choice to move up to 195. I still think it would of been a great match, and I guess that's just my "opinion".



BigPoppa11	Feb 12 2016, 11:10 AM Post #4220
Fantastic Posts: 1,705 Group: Die Hard Member #4,855 Joined: February 3, 2006	Jared Feb 12 2016, 10:42 AM Money grows wrestling, the more fans, the more money. I guess more fans would've shown up if that match up happened? Especially when no one had any idea it could be a possibility. Cmon Jim...see ya Saturday.



perfect circle	Feb 12 2016, 11:15 AM Post #4221
Super Fan Posts: 128 Group: Die Hard Member #4,675 Joined: January 25, 2006	I would have paid big money to watch Jared in 2003 wrestle a nationally ranked kid that weighed 140.



Jared	Feb 12 2016, 11:25 AM Post #4222
Fantastic Posts: 1,639 Group: Fantastic Member #634 Joined: January 4, 2005	perfect circle Feb 12 2016, 11:15 AM I would have paid big money to watch Jared in 2003 wrestle a nationally ranked kid that weighed 140. I wasn't the best wrestler but it sure as hell would of been a good match. If I could catch him he isn't getting out.



Jared	Feb 12 2016, 11:34 AM Post #4223
Fantastic Posts: 1,639 Group: Fantastic Member #634 Joined: January 4, 2005	BigPoppa11 Feb 12 2016, 11:10 AM Jared Feb 12 2016, 10:42 AM Money grows wrestling, the more fans, the more money. I guess more fans would've shown up if that match up happened? Especially when no one had any idea it could be a possibility. Cmon Jim...see ya Saturday. Bigpoppa, there were fans that knew it "was" going to happen. But the point is matches like those attract fans. This year I bet they will have a record setting year for state team because of the St. Micheal vs. Apple Valley match. Same as the 2AA team tournament with 4 legit teams in the running, instead of years past when Scott west "runs away with it". Its wasn't that big of a match up with Buesgens and Parriott but it keeps you wondering what would of happened with Parriott giving up that much weight.



dolce vita	Feb 12 2016, 11:54 AM Post #4224
Wrestling Fan Posts: 39 Group: Die Hard Member #21,346 Joined: September 18, 2013	I agree with both sides. I would of loved to see the Parriott / Buesgens matchup. Giving up 30lbs to an average to above average wrestler is very do-able but when we are talking about this level of wrestlers - it could of surprised a lot of wrestling fans. However the coaches made the right decision because no where have I found Buesgens and Schmitz take each other on so it is smart to test your own competition out over a possible glory match. But Good for young Buesgens as a sophomore to make this much noise. I really look forward to watching him wrestle a couple more years.



Jeep'n	Feb 12 2016, 12:40 PM Post #4225
Fantastic Posts: 2,151 Group: Die Hard Member #10,213 Joined: January 17, 2008	Jared Feb 12 2016, 10:50 AM Jeep'n Feb 12 2016, 09:13 AM You mean you assumed SW wanted to make the point in your head? What benefit was it to Buesgens to wrestle Parriott? As mentioned earlier, he is an incredible wrestler and young man (I already have my tickets to watch and cheer for him against team USA next month). Yes it may have given him a better match, but by going with Schmitz, Buesgens gets to see someone he may very well meet next week. In my opinion, that's a better match for Buesgens. At least note its your opinion SW did something than trying to state it as fact. Please note that's your opinion. Back at you ;) I'm a wrestling fan, I know you are hot headed and use to getting your way. I was just asking a question, after you stated "your" opinion, I still don't see a point to take advantage of the opportunity. I'm giving Buesgens a lot of credit, I'm a fan of his and I know it wasn't his choice to move up to 195. I still think it would of been a great match, and I guess that's just my "opinion". "I know you are hot headed and use to getting your way." Pot, have you met kettle? ;) I should have used an emoticon after the opinion statement. I forget sarcasm requires tone and tone doesn't always ring through in written speech. I think a better description for me would be opinionated and an avid fan for debate...but no more than you and any of the regulars posting on here. We just happen to come at it from a different view point. That's what makes the thread fun. I get what you are saying...yes, it would be interesting match to see Buesgins and Parriott. When someone asked why it didn't happened I responded with the best logic and reasoning I could provide as to where the coaches were on making that decision. I didn't expect anyone to concede to it. As I certainly don't believe you would expect me to concede to your opinion if I don't agree with it. Looking at last night, I thought Buesgins and Schmitz had one of the best matches of the night. OT finish, some chess being played, a little urgency with a clasp call and an exciting finish.



grand marshall	Feb 12 2016, 01:21 PM Post #4226
Fanatic Posts: 751 Group: Die Hard Member #19,704 Joined: February 8, 2012	I had this Horse but it got beat to death. ;) hehehhehe sorry couldn't help myself. Saturday night will be a barn burner cant wait I hope i can find a good place to sit or stand I think the Waconia vs SW will be close 22-21 Waconia wins or 24-22 SW wins these are my 2 predictions. B) Edited by grand marshall, Feb 12 2016, 01:21 PM.



rockhead	Feb 13 2016, 01:43 AM Post #4227
Wrestling Fan Posts: 50 Group: Die Hard Member #14,246 Joined: December 18, 2008	I think SW could have four matches with bonus points maybe even four falls what do you think mister Schultz?



wrestling father 1	Feb 13 2016, 07:32 AM Post #4228
Fantastic Posts: 1,196 Group: Die Hard Member #6,109 Joined: June 8, 2006	Well if it's anything like last year, it will be worth the price of admission! What a show, coaches juggling lines ups, kids wrestling hard, fans cheering, get me some popcorn, it's going to be a hell,va ride!



viz the wiz	Feb 13 2016, 08:37 AM Post #4229
Super Fan Posts: 430 Group: Die Hard Member #16,918 Joined: February 4, 2010	I hope theirs enough room in the gym for all the extra fans coming over from section 6AA that just want to see more great wrestling. I'm routing for Scottwest so Foley could get the 3 seed at state.



oldschool11	Feb 13 2016, 09:17 AM Post #4230
Super Fan Posts: 173 Group: Die Hard Member #22,376 Joined: September 29, 2014	Viz the wiz your right I have no plans today so why not watch more wrestling couple of us are going to the match might have to go back and take a nap still tired it was a late night.



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