pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:03 PM

Folkstyle

Feb 17 2016, 07:49 PM

Guillotine reader

Feb 17 2016, 07:17 PM

3girlsanddad...New Prague guy...enrollment 1193
bluth... hutch-blh guy...enrollment 973
aftermath...Waconia guy...enrollment 1062
Scott West...865

Looks like a pretty equal playing field to me. It's not the numbers, it is what you do with them.


It seems like every year this poor dead horse gets beat again. Scott West is probably not going to split up because of people complaining on a message board.

It really cracks me up to hear a Trojan fan complaining about the size of BP and Jordan. NP is slightly bigger than Jordan, which is slightly bigger than BP. But if you compare enrollment numbers NP is just a few heads away from AAA, but they don't usually understand that.

I have always heard size doesn't matter :-/ haha does it really give a school that much of an advantage to have higher enrollment. .. maybe but the advantage I have seen from SW and many of the other "powerhouse" teams I have seen comes down to coaching and the winning culture they have built. It has always impressed me just seeing the number of coaches SW has compared to other teams in the section. From what I hear many of theses coaches were pretty good wrestlers in their day and I know many of them have had kids wrestle for SW in the past few years.I have always been told coaches kids make some of the best wrestlers. I would love to see the team I follow have as many former wrestlers/alumni help support our team I'm sure it would be beneficial.

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:08 PM

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:03 PM

Folkstyle

Feb 17 2016, 07:49 PM

Guillotine reader

Feb 17 2016, 07:17 PM

3girlsanddad...New Prague guy...enrollment 1193
bluth... hutch-blh guy...enrollment 973
aftermath...Waconia guy...enrollment 1062
Scott West...865

Looks like a pretty equal playing field to me. It's not the numbers, it is what you do with them.


It seems like every year this poor dead horse gets beat again. Scott West is probably not going to split up because of people complaining on a message board.

It really cracks me up to hear a Trojan fan complaining about the size of BP and Jordan. NP is slightly bigger than Jordan, which is slightly bigger than BP. But if you compare enrollment numbers NP is just a few heads away from AAA, but they don't usually understand that.

I have always heard size doesn't matter :-/ haha does it really give a school that much of an advantage to have higher enrollment. .. maybe but the advantage I have seen from SW and many of the other "powerhouse" teams I have seen comes down to coaching and the winning culture they have built. It has always impressed me just seeing the number of coaches SW has compared to other teams in the section. From what I hear many of theses coaches were pretty good wrestlers in their day and I know many of them have had kids wrestle for SW in the past few years.I have always been told coaches kids make some of the best wrestlers. I would love to see the team I follow have as many former wrestlers/alumni help support our team I'm sure it would be beneficial.

I agree with 100% of what you just said!!

So are you fine with Shakopee and Prior Lake Coop next year??

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:08 PM

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:03 PM

Folkstyle

Feb 17 2016, 07:49 PM

Guillotine reader

Feb 17 2016, 07:17 PM

3girlsanddad...New Prague guy...enrollment 1193
bluth... hutch-blh guy...enrollment 973
aftermath...Waconia guy...enrollment 1062
Scott West...865

Looks like a pretty equal playing field to me. It's not the numbers, it is what you do with them.


It seems like every year this poor dead horse gets beat again. Scott West is probably not going to split up because of people complaining on a message board.

It really cracks me up to hear a Trojan fan complaining about the size of BP and Jordan. NP is slightly bigger than Jordan, which is slightly bigger than BP. But if you compare enrollment numbers NP is just a few heads away from AAA, but they don't usually understand that.

I have always heard size doesn't matter :-/ haha does it really give a school that much of an advantage to have higher enrollment. .. maybe but the advantage I have seen from SW and many of the other "powerhouse" teams I have seen comes down to coaching and the winning culture they have built. It has always impressed me just seeing the number of coaches SW has compared to other teams in the section. From what I hear many of theses coaches were pretty good wrestlers in their day and I know many of them have had kids wrestle for SW in the past few years.I have always been told coaches kids make some of the best wrestlers. I would love to see the team I follow have as many former wrestlers/alumni help support our team I'm sure it would be beneficial.

I agree with 100% of what you just said!!

So are you fine with Shakopee and Prior Lake Coop next year??

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:25 PM

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:08 PM

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:03 PM

Folkstyle

Feb 17 2016, 07:49 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

I have always heard size doesn't matter :-/ haha does it really give a school that much of an advantage to have higher enrollment. .. maybe but the advantage I have seen from SW and many of the other "powerhouse" teams I have seen comes down to coaching and the winning culture they have built. It has always impressed me just seeing the number of coaches SW has compared to other teams in the section. From what I hear many of theses coaches were pretty good wrestlers in their day and I know many of them have had kids wrestle for SW in the past few years.I have always been told coaches kids make some of the best wrestlers. I would love to see the team I follow have as many former wrestlers/alumni help support our team I'm sure it would be beneficial.

I agree with 100% of what you just said!!

So are you fine with Shakopee and Prior Lake Coop next year??

As long as they are not in 2aa sure haha but for real I don't know enough about the SW situation to say weather the coop is necessary or not but I do know that they help bring an extra level of competition to this section. Many people including myself like to brag about being one of the toughest sections in the state. I wouldn't want this section any other way and am definitely not a SW fan. steel sharpens steel and I think it's evident most years at the stare tournament with so many 2aa place winners that the competition in our section is good for all . When just making the final four of the section tournament is an accomplishment on its own it can only drive the other teams to continue to get better IMO

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:28 PM

BauerPower, I've been told kids that are on free or reduced lunches, very rarely go out for sports. So the MSHSL don't count those kids. Someone smarter than me, please fill us in.

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:25 PM

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:08 PM

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:03 PM

Folkstyle

Feb 17 2016, 07:49 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

I have always heard size doesn't matter :-/ haha does it really give a school that much of an advantage to have higher enrollment. .. maybe but the advantage I have seen from SW and many of the other "powerhouse" teams I have seen comes down to coaching and the winning culture they have built. It has always impressed me just seeing the number of coaches SW has compared to other teams in the section. From what I hear many of theses coaches were pretty good wrestlers in their day and I know many of them have had kids wrestle for SW in the past few years.I have always been told coaches kids make some of the best wrestlers. I would love to see the team I follow have as many former wrestlers/alumni help support our team I'm sure it would be beneficial.

I agree with 100% of what you just said!!

So are you fine with Shakopee and Prior Lake Coop next year??

As long as they are not in 2aa sure haha but for real I don't know enough about the SW situation to say weather the coop is necessary or not but I do know that they help bring an extra level of competition to this section. Many people including myself like to brag about being one of the toughest sections in the state. I wouldn't want this section any other way and am definitely not a SW fan. steel sharpens steel and I think it's evident most years at the stare tournament with so many 2aa place winners that the competition in our section is good for all . When just making the final four of the section tournament is an accomplishment on its own it can only drive the other teams to continue to get better IMO

BRM8

Feb 17 2016, 08:33 PM

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:28 PM

BauerPower, I've been told kids that are on free or reduced lunches, very rarely go out for sports. So the MSHSL don't count those kids. Someone smarter than me, please fill us in.

That's why MPLS North is in class A for football, it's a joke.

.75 Nelson

Feb 17 2016, 08:39 PM

BRM8

Feb 17 2016, 08:33 PM

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:28 PM

BauerPower, I've been told kids that are on free or reduced lunches, very rarely go out for sports. So the MSHSL don't count those kids. Someone smarter than me, please fill us in.

That's why MPLS North is in class A for football, it's a joke.

And basketball.

Guillotine reader

Feb 17 2016, 08:20 PM

from mshsl website,50 kids 7-12

Bauerpower

Feb 17 2016, 08:36 PM

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:25 PM

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:08 PM

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:03 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

I agree with 100% of what you just said!!

So are you fine with Shakopee and Prior Lake Coop next year??

As long as they are not in 2aa sure haha but for real I don't know enough about the SW situation to say weather the coop is necessary or not but I do know that they help bring an extra level of competition to this section. Many people including myself like to brag about being one of the toughest sections in the state. I wouldn't want this section any other way and am definitely not a SW fan. steel sharpens steel and I think it's evident most years at the stare tournament with so many 2aa place winners that the competition in our section is good for all . When just making the final four of the section tournament is an accomplishment on its own it can only drive the other teams to continue to get better IMO

I ask my son if he would rather wrestle in another section and make state or wrestle in section 2AA and not make state. He said "I'll stay in this section it means more when you come out Section 2AA and are more likely to place"

one bottom

Feb 17 2016, 08:54 PM

Bauerpower

Feb 17 2016, 08:36 PM

pantherfan84

Feb 17 2016, 08:25 PM

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 08:08 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deep

As long as they are not in 2aa sure haha but for real I don't know enough about the SW situation to say weather the coop is necessary or not but I do know that they help bring an extra level of competition to this section. Many people including myself like to brag about being one of the toughest sections in the state. I wouldn't want this section any other way and am definitely not a SW fan. steel sharpens steel and I think it's evident most years at the stare tournament with so many 2aa place winners that the competition in our section is good for all . When just making the final four of the section tournament is an accomplishment on its own it can only drive the other teams to continue to get better IMO

I ask my son if he would rather wrestle in another section and make state or wrestle in section 2AA and not make state. He said "I'll stay in this section it means more when you come out Section 2AA and are more likely to place"

That being said many great wrestlers have never it to state from this section

BPWRESTLINGDAD

Feb 17 2016, 08:18 PM

If Scott West was a sub par team, nobody would say anything. I'm willing to bet that the other schools in our section have as many if not more kids out for wrestling in grades 7-12. We don't have a lot for numbers in grades 11 & 12.... between both schools. What you see on our state roster is it. It gets to be a topic every year. ... New Prague, Waconia have more enrollment, what's their numbers? If we would've lost in the sections, nobody would be asking and nobody would be complaining about how many coaches we have. It's ridiculous that every year we answer the same questions.

Guillotine reader

Feb 17 2016, 07:17 PM

3girlsanddad...New Prague guy...enrollment 1193
bluth... hutch-blh guy...enrollment 973
aftermath...Waconia guy...enrollment 1062
Scott West...865

Looks like a pretty equal playing field to me. It's not the numbers, it is what you do with them.


It seems like every year this poor dead horse gets beat again. Scott West is probably not going to split up because of people complaining on a message board.

!!!!!

Feb 17 2016, 08:38 AM

Dobber

Feb 16 2016, 08:00 PM

I'll take a stab at it if nobody else is going too.
106- Pickell over Shackle
113- Vos over Stauffacher
120- Huss over Gillette
126- Stauffacher over Luthens
132- Wagener over (Pundsack, Piche) I believe that is going to be a fun match to watch. I know Pundsack won on Saturday but I still don't know who to pick.
138- Donnay over Schultz, I hope to see a Siegle, Schultz round 3 this weekend at some point too.
145- Kelvington over Sweeney
152- Parriott over Milbrett
160- Hemze over Neaton
170- Knutson (if healthy) over Rutt If Knutson can't go I think there are multiple guys that could fight it out for second.
182- Buesgens over Brejle which would set up a true second match versus Kurth
195- I have no idea really. Is Kurth healthy? This weight seems really up in the air to me.
220- Jakes over Stenzel with the possibility of a true second
285- Burns over Swanson with a true second against Schatz

I think this is a good start. Nice work. I would think we will see Schmitz (NP) in the mix at 182. He lost in double OT against Buesgens. He also majored Kurth this season.

Jeep'n

Feb 17 2016, 08:05 PM

No, he doesn't. Its more sour grapes.

Its the same co-op crying every year. Everyone tries to point to the numbers of the two communities, but they don't discuss the sacrifice and effort the wrestlers put into it to be competitive year after year.

With that said, its the last I am going to discuss on the co-op discussion. Its not worth the debate and no one is going to change the other person's mind.

buwahkon

Feb 17 2016, 09:09 PM

At this rate....this thread (the longest and most viewed) is going to be closed and why??? Keep it civil. No attacks. Keep it positive

3girlsanddad

Feb 17 2016, 09:20 PM

What senior heavyweight is out?? Swanson was last year, but he handled Burns sometime in January. And Schatz is a monster!!! I'm going with Swanson and Burns, just a guess!!

BPWRESTLINGDAD

Feb 17 2016, 09:11 PM

You can think what you want. ... the coaches protect the kids when fans call them out. The coaches aren't arrogant.... if it was your kid wrestling and the fans were harassing him, i would hope the coach would stand up for him. You obviously don't know the coaches at all then. They're not only coaches, they're counselors, they lend am ear when the kids have issues, they're mentors, they spend countless hours throughout the year bettering the kids. They take pride in the program and spend more hours than most people know. You don't have to like them, but they should be respected for what they do. We are family