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2AA Team & Individuals; Top contenders
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OLDMATRASLER	Feb 23 2009, 11:27 AM Post #721
Super Fan Posts: 408 Group: Die Hard Member #1,332 Joined: January 23, 2005	Big guy The facts are this: BP and Jordan's programs would not survive on their own and were starting to fail and thats why they combined. The interest in the program that is there presently is from the success of the combined programs :D . For the record, only 3 Dvoraks of the whole clan (of 19 who wrestled for SW) are from NP. Jon (05), Mark(09) and Scott(12), the last 2 are still wrestling. Jon helps out with coaching as do many aliumni but is not an offical coach. Once you know the facts, it is easier to "let it go".



IMONTOPSTEP	Feb 23 2009, 11:31 AM Post #722
Fantastic Posts: 1,165 Group: Die Hard Member #1,101 Joined: January 17, 2005	Did Goldberg and Kivel grow up in Jordan or Belle Plain?? I want to make sure I got "the facts correct".



OLDMATRASLER	Feb 23 2009, 11:42 AM Post #723
Super Fan Posts: 408 Group: Die Hard Member #1,332 Joined: January 23, 2005	Yes, they both are currently "growing up" in the Jordan school system since they open enrolled when open enrollment was possible. Success causes interest in the program as outlined above. :P



IMONTOPSTEP	Feb 23 2009, 11:47 AM Post #724
Fantastic Posts: 1,165 Group: Die Hard Member #1,101 Joined: January 17, 2005	I agree I think that the success of Scott West and Apple Valley has "attracted" a lot of kids (I mean interest) over the last 5-10 years.



Guillotine reader	Feb 23 2009, 11:54 AM Post #725
Wrestling Fan Posts: 40 Group: Die Hard Member #10,107 Joined: January 12, 2008	imontop-Are you telling us that your great school would have told Goldberg and Kivel that they couldnt wrestle there or are you just jealous because nobody actually asks to join,they just leave...



HIDAWAY	Feb 23 2009, 11:55 AM Post #726
Wrestling Fan Posts: 60 Group: Die Hard Member #6,046 Joined: May 5, 2006	The fact is: Section 2AA is tough!! Delano and Hutch are probably the only 2 non co-op teams that have been able to compete. SW of course, MLLC for a few of the past years,JCC-Star Concept, and JCC-NP which went a couple of years ago. Maybe everyone should co-op?!?!? I just hope that any team or program represents the Section well. The idividuals will be great - Good Luck Saturday!!



OLDMATRASLER	Feb 23 2009, 12:26 PM Post #727
Super Fan Posts: 408 Group: Die Hard Member #1,332 Joined: January 23, 2005	Guillotine reader, good point, right on man. You made me laugh !!! :lol:



IMONTOPSTEP	Feb 23 2009, 12:27 PM Post #728
Fantastic Posts: 1,165 Group: Die Hard Member #1,101 Joined: January 17, 2005	Guillotine reader Feb 23 2009, 11:54 AM imontop-Are you telling us that your great school would have told Goldberg and Kivel that they couldnt wrestle there or are you just jealous because nobody actually asks to join,they just leave... Not jealous or upset - Scott West has a great program, I see why kids would move there. Same thing with Apple Valley, they are a great program and they get a lot of kids to move there. I just think it diminishes the excitement of the championship for the whole town - when they have kids that have not really been part of the fabric of the team their entire life. My kid played on an all-star baseball team that won a championship - it just didn't have the same excitement as when their local team won the state baseball championship. That is what i compare it to. I recall some comments when JCC took it from Scott West a couple years ago .......... I don't hear any comments now. I hope that Scott West wins it all......because I think 2AA is one of the toughest sections in the state. But we took our lumps, we go back, get better and come back next year. Maybe next year we will bring some ringers with us? If not - we will cheer for Scott West again at state.



OLDMATRASLER	Feb 23 2009, 12:43 PM Post #729
Super Fan Posts: 408 Group: Die Hard Member #1,332 Joined: January 23, 2005	You are right about 2AA being a tough section. Kivel and Goldberg are part of the fabric of SW. We are family. We are together year round. We share our joys and sorrows together. This is what makes a team a team. I do not see our victory cheapen by anyones participation.



Bigguy	Feb 23 2009, 01:06 PM Post #730
Super Fan Posts: 253 Group: Die Hard Member #6,161 Joined: July 13, 2006	Oldmat.... I really don't have that big of a problem with Scott West's accepting transfers. It's part of the game. But someone questioned an earlier claim that soem of teh Dvorak's were open enrolled. I set the record straight. I know the Dvoraks and they're good people and dedicated to wrestling. I understand why they made the decision to transfer. However, I still would like an answer to the other part of my post. How many kids are from Jordan and how many kids are from Belle Plaine, and could they exist on their own today. I know when the program was formed in the 80s, it saved both programs. The purpose of a coop is not supposed to be to create a powerhouse in a given sport. It's to continue to give students the opportunity to participate in a sport that one of the schools could not do on its own. Sad as it seems, Le Center's once powerhouse program might have disappeared if it hadn't been for the Montgomery coop. Same with two once very strong programs in WEM and JWP. Scott West used to field coop teams in track and field also, but they no longer do. I think that had something to do with the fact that the schools grew enough that the program was placed in Class AA in stead of Class A. I have asked about numbers on more than one occasion, yet no one has offered an answer. You'll be glad to know this will be my last post on the matter. I'm going to take the advice offered on this board and "let it go. I'll just close by wishing the Panthers luck next weekend. They got a tough first-round draw. But I'm sure they'll represent the section well.



yub	Feb 23 2009, 01:10 PM Post #731
Super Fan Posts: 317 Group: Die Hard Member #6,701 Joined: December 3, 2006	IMONTOPSTEP Feb 23 2009, 12:27 PM Guillotine reader Feb 23 2009, 11:54 AM imontop-Are you telling us that your great school would have told Goldberg and Kivel that they couldnt wrestle there or are you just jealous because nobody actually asks to join,they just leave... Not jealous or upset - Scott West has a great program, I see why kids would move there. Same thing with Apple Valley, they are a great program and they get a lot of kids to move there. I just think it diminishes the excitement of the championship for the whole town - when they have kids that have not really been part of the fabric of the team their entire life. My kid played on an all-star baseball team that won a championship - it just didn't have the same excitement as when their local team won the state baseball championship. That is what i compare it to. I recall some comments when JCC took it from Scott West a couple years ago .......... I don't hear any comments now. I hope that Scott West wins it all......because I think 2AA is one of the toughest sections in the state. But we took our lumps, we go back, get better and come back next year. Maybe next year we will bring some ringers with us? If not - we will cheer for Scott West again at state. Who is "US" would you mind telling everyone just who you speak for? Also good for you if your school can get some "Ringers" more power to you, I mean those who you speak for! Co-Op's are good they give little schools like Mayer Lutheran H.S., the option to offer wrestling to its students. We are glad they do because that is where my son attends H.S... P.S. your not the only one looking for ringers!!!



sacromattackrom	Feb 23 2009, 01:26 PM Post #732
Wrestling Fan Posts: 93 Group: Die Hard Member #14,257 Joined: December 19, 2008	Bigguy Feb 23 2009, 01:06 PM Oldmat.... I really don't have that big of a problem with Scott West's accepting transfers. It's part of the game. But someone questioned an earlier claim that soem of teh Dvorak's were open enrolled. I set the record straight. I know the Dvoraks and they're good people and dedicated to wrestling. I understand why they made the decision to transfer. However, I still would like an answer to the other part of my post. How many kids are from Jordan and how many kids are from Belle Plaine, and could they exist on their own today. I know when the program was formed in the 80s, it saved both programs. The purpose of a coop is not supposed to be to create a powerhouse in a given sport. It's to continue to give students the opportunity to participate in a sport that one of the schools could not do on its own. Sad as it seems, Le Center's once powerhouse program might have disappeared if it hadn't been for the Montgomery coop. Same with two once very strong programs in WEM and JWP. Scott West used to field coop teams in track and field also, but they no longer do. I think that had something to do with the fact that the schools grew enough that the program was placed in Class AA in stead of Class A. I have asked about numbers on more than one occasion, yet no one has offered an answer. You'll be glad to know this will be my last post on the matter. I'm going to take the advice offered on this board and "let it go. I'll just close by wishing the Panthers luck next weekend. They got a tough first-round draw. But I'm sure they'll represent the section well. Belle Plaine would def. be better off than Jordan would be if they were split up since the Holy Family that produces tons of dvoraks is in Belle Plaine, So i would assume they woudl wrestling for Belle Plaine. Jordan doesn't seem to have many wrestlers on the team and I doubt they would be able to fill a whole roster.



IMONTOPSTEP	Feb 23 2009, 01:30 PM Post #733
Fantastic Posts: 1,165 Group: Die Hard Member #1,101 Joined: January 17, 2005	I don't get what you don't understand about "us"? - "US" would be our wrestling team. We will bring some ringers with our wrestling team (US). Like you and me and a bunch or multiple people (US). Like when Dorothy asked the Tin Man do you want to come with "US" to see the Wizard??



underrated	Feb 23 2009, 01:38 PM Post #734
Fantastic Posts: 1,402 Group: Die Hard Member #1,201 Joined: January 19, 2005	cledis Feb 23 2009, 10:52 AM thanks. could you help me with a couple other match ups?? like.. Has Zack Rutt wrestled Jake Bohler or Dillon Fogarty?? and have Jared Pawelk and Connor Fogarty wrestled? pretty sure rutt and bohler have wrestled and rutt winning like 10-9, but rutt has not wrestled fogarty



chickenlittle	Feb 23 2009, 02:03 PM Post #735
Super Fan Posts: 363 Group: Die Hard Member #6,591 Joined: November 21, 2006	Lets hear some predictions enough about SW



wrestling guy22	Feb 23 2009, 02:05 PM Post #736
Super Fan Posts: 177 Group: Die Hard Member #8,416 Joined: March 10, 2007	Bigguy Feb 23 2009, 01:06 PM Oldmat.... I really don't have that big of a problem with Scott West's accepting transfers. It's part of the game. But someone questioned an earlier claim that soem of teh Dvorak's were open enrolled. I set the record straight. I know the Dvoraks and they're good people and dedicated to wrestling. I understand why they made the decision to transfer. However, I still would like an answer to the other part of my post. How many kids are from Jordan and how many kids are from Belle Plaine, and could they exist on their own today. I know when the program was formed in the 80s, it saved both programs. The purpose of a coop is not supposed to be to create a powerhouse in a given sport. It's to continue to give students the opportunity to participate in a sport that one of the schools could not do on its own. Sad as it seems, Le Center's once powerhouse program might have disappeared if it hadn't been for the Montgomery coop. Same with two once very strong programs in WEM and JWP. Scott West used to field coop teams in track and field also, but they no longer do. I think that had something to do with the fact that the schools grew enough that the program was placed in Class AA in stead of Class A. I have asked about numbers on more than one occasion, yet no one has offered an answer. You'll be glad to know this will be my last post on the matter. I'm going to take the advice offered on this board and "let it go. I'll just close by wishing the Panthers luck next weekend. They got a tough first-round draw. But I'm sure they'll represent the section well. Jordan's program would not be able to survive on it's own, Belle Plaine's program would have a much better shot at competing because more of the wrestlers are from Belle Plaine and HF Academy.



yub	Feb 23 2009, 02:34 PM Post #737
Super Fan Posts: 317 Group: Die Hard Member #6,701 Joined: December 3, 2006	IMONTOPSTEP Feb 23 2009, 01:30 PM I don't get what you don't understand about "us"? - "US" would be our wrestling team. We will bring some ringers with our wrestling team (US). Like you and me and a bunch or multiple people (US). Like when Dorothy asked the Tin Man do you want to come with "US" to see the Wizard?? I'm Sorry, I missed the post where you said what wrestling team you support?



BigPoppa11	Feb 23 2009, 04:12 PM Post #738
Fantastic Posts: 1,705 Group: Die Hard Member #4,855 Joined: February 3, 2006	Bigguy Feb 23 2009, 01:06 PM How many kids are from Jordan and how many kids are from Belle Plaine, and could they exist on their own today. Not sure on the total number of kids in both programs but I know that if they split up today it would not be pretty. Both teams would struggle to field a whole line up. I would say both teams would have at least 4 forfeits. Scott West has had a string of great wrestlers move up through the youth program. A couple of them quit along the way. But believe it or not, not all of Scott Wests good wrestlers are transfers. Dan Zilverberg, and all of the youth coaching staff and dedicated parents helped mold most of the good wrestlers. As far as the John, Mark and Scott Dvorak, they have many family ties in Scott West. It only made sense for them to wrestle with their cousins. If you had the chance to wrestle with your family on a good team wouldnt you take that.



wrestling guy22	Feb 23 2009, 04:21 PM Post #739
Super Fan Posts: 177 Group: Die Hard Member #8,416 Joined: March 10, 2007	And in regards to Kivel transferring to Jordan, his brother actually transferred to Jordan first so it only made sense for him to follow in his footsteps.



Bigguy	Feb 23 2009, 05:34 PM Post #740
Super Fan Posts: 253 Group: Die Hard Member #6,161 Joined: July 13, 2006	wrestling guy22 Feb 23 2009, 02:05 PM Jordan's program would not be able to survive on it's own, Belle Plaine's program would have a much better shot at competing because more of the wrestlers are from Belle Plaine and HF Academy. That's the info I was looking for. It makes sense now. Thank you. If Jordan doesn't have the numbers, I can understand continuing the coop. I've let it go and it's floated away into the clouds..... :P



holdyerbreathtillitsover	Feb 23 2009, 06:18 PM Post #741
Wrestling Fan Posts: 75 Group: Die Hard Member #2,228 Joined: February 15, 2005	BPWRESTLINGDAD Feb 22 2009, 05:01 AM holdyourbreathtilitsover.... Don't post again til you know what your talking about... Dvoraks are transplanted? ... I guess another uneducated postee... Jealousy or envy? ... You may not like Scott West but you should atleast give props where they are due. The kids wrestle hard and train hard so why all the negativity? I smell a sore loser..... Soooooo....... I don't know my facts, but 3 out of 5 of the Dvoraks are transplants??? And "growing up" in a town ??? You could move to a town and "grow up there" even though you spent well over 3/4 our your life in another town? Yes, families do move, and they do look for schools that fit their needs. But claim it as that, not with the double talk. ;) Is it time for an "official look at" to see if there still is the need for the "Combo Program?" We are Combo Program Hear us Roar. :blink:



truthhurts	Feb 23 2009, 07:04 PM Post #742
Super Fan Posts: 146 Group: Die Hard Member #10,150 Joined: January 14, 2008	holdyerbreathtillitsover Feb 23 2009, 06:18 PM BPWRESTLINGDAD Feb 22 2009, 05:01 AM holdyourbreathtilitsover....� Don't post again til you know what your talking about... Dvoraks are transplanted? ... I guess another uneducated postee... Jealousy or envy? ... You may not like Scott West but you should atleast give props where they are due. The kids wrestle hard and train hard so why all the negativity? I smell a sore loser..... Soooooo....... I don't know my facts, but 3 out of 5 of the Dvoraks are transplants??? And "growing up" in a town ??? You could move to a town and "grow up there" even though you spent well over 3/4 our your life in another town? Yes, families do move, and they do look for schools that fit their needs. But claim it as that, not with the double talk. ;) Is it time for an "official look at" to see if there still is the need for the "Combo Program?" We are Combo Program Hear us Roar. :blink: Could you be any more of a sore LOSER!, I'll just bet their coach and staff are on to next fri.-sat, not last weekend! As for the official look I,m sure SW is following MSHSL guidelines. I modified my post Because I did not want to insult your entire community.



sitandspin	Feb 23 2009, 08:04 PM Post #743
Fanatic Posts: 512 Group: Die Hard Member #8,457 Joined: March 16, 2007	Can anyone post or tell me where to find the weekend individual session times for 2AA at Delano?



MinterMagic	Feb 23 2009, 08:07 PM Post #744
Super Fan Posts: 477 Group: Die Hard Member #1,109 Joined: January 17, 2005	4:30 start time on Friday you "meathead"!



The Great Gamma	Feb 23 2009, 08:11 PM Post #745
Fanatic Posts: 914 Group: Die Hard Member #8,743 Joined: May 28, 2007	MinterMagic Feb 23 2009, 08:07 PM 4:30 start time on Friday you "meathead"! WOW...aren't you a piece of flippin work!



sitandspin	Feb 23 2009, 08:13 PM Post #746
Fanatic Posts: 512 Group: Die Hard Member #8,457 Joined: March 16, 2007	MinterMagic Feb 23 2009, 08:07 PM 4:30 start time on Friday you "meathead"! He is a Chaska recruit posing as a Waconia wrestling coach. It's sad when they have to dig that deep to get help.



MinterMagic	Feb 23 2009, 08:14 PM Post #747
Super Fan Posts: 477 Group: Die Hard Member #1,109 Joined: January 17, 2005	Great Gramma...... Relax sunshine...... he is a buddy of mine..... your way tooooo sensitive!



MinterMagic	Feb 23 2009, 08:17 PM Post #748
Super Fan Posts: 477 Group: Die Hard Member #1,109 Joined: January 17, 2005	Hey sitandspin.....being a former "Valley Boy" all this transfer, recruit talk must have you feeling right at home! :lol:



The Great Gamma	Feb 23 2009, 08:17 PM Post #749
Fanatic Posts: 914 Group: Die Hard Member #8,743 Joined: May 28, 2007	MinterMagic Feb 23 2009, 08:14 PM Great Gramma...... Relax sunshine...... he is a buddy of mine..... your way tooooo sensitive! Ya right...OK Go play slap and tickle somewhere else.



sitandspin	Feb 23 2009, 08:18 PM Post #750
Fanatic Posts: 512 Group: Die Hard Member #8,457 Joined: March 16, 2007	The Great Gamma Feb 23 2009, 08:17 PM MinterMagic Feb 23 2009, 08:14 PM Great Gramma...... Relax sunshine...... he is a buddy of mine..... your way tooooo sensitive! Ya right...OK Go play slap and tickle somewhere else. Who died and made you GOD of 2AA, go take a pill and go to sleep.



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