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| Jeep'n | Mar 6 2009, 08:41 PM Post #841 |
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I nearly forgor BIG Pat Brinkman!!! Sorry Pat! Thanks make 4 competing for title... Good luck to all... |
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| chickenlittle | Mar 10 2009, 09:28 PM Post #842 |
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Congrats to all the boys for a great showing up at the X! They represented our section well! |
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| yub | Mar 18 2009, 07:16 PM Post #843 |
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looking at the sections as of last season Hutchinson has a co-op, I did not know that. |
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| 13887 | Mar 18 2009, 07:47 PM Post #844 |
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Great section....Let the chips fall where they may!!! |
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| chickenlittle | Mar 23 2009, 09:41 AM Post #845 |
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I would like to extend our Welcome to the new Chanhassen High School into the great section of 2AA |
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| underrated | Mar 23 2009, 11:40 AM Post #846 |
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WELCOME!! :) |
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| firemans11 | Mar 23 2009, 11:44 AM Post #847 |
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Not sure if heavywtdad is so happy. I am thinking he wanted to be AAA and co op. |
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| Obsessed With Wrestling | Mar 23 2009, 11:45 AM Post #848 |
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How long will they stay? Or do they co-op with Chaska and move back up? I doubt their individuals want in this section considering there were 25 ranked individuals in it last year and will be just as tough next year. 2AAA is much easier individually, team too I would think. |
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| IMONTOPSTEP | Mar 23 2009, 02:22 PM Post #849 |
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Who is Chanhassen - I mean who goes to Chanhassen and who will be going to Chaska - Is Chaska still in AAA, and now the kids that go to Chanhassen in 2AA. What determines who goes where? |
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| heavyweightdad | Mar 23 2009, 03:01 PM Post #850 |
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#1. enrollment is skewed. Chan has 2AA numbers for one year only due to ALL SENIORS are at Chaska HS. (class of 2010 only) So low in numbers 2009-10 only! (1,400 Chaska, 1000 Chan.) #2. in 2010 and beyond, Chan will be AAA and Chaska wil be AA (maybe) due to free lunches, both schools will have around 1100 kids (borderline AA, AAA) but chan 1% free lunches, Chaska 25-35% which would make Chaska lower. #3. Co-op was approved 100% for sure. #4. Only 3 Varsity or JV kids will be at Chan HS, (next year) or are incoming 7th grade or younger, on have never wrestled before, so 3 returning V/JV kids. #5. As for being AA or AAA? It makes no difference to me, the only thing that is important is fielding a full roster. The co-op would make them AAA for sure. #6. What determines who goes where is where your house is. Chaska proper (inner city chaska), is all at Chaska HS. Chanhassen City, Carver and Victoria are all at Chan HS. They are allowing OE however...as long as it is ballanced. |
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| chickenlittle | Mar 30 2009, 05:19 PM Post #851 |
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Anyone want to start speculating on next year??! |
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| 13887 | Mar 30 2009, 05:53 PM Post #852 |
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not me!! |
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| underrated | Mar 30 2009, 10:01 PM Post #853 |
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oh goodness thats asking a lot ;) |
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| The Great Gamma | Mar 30 2009, 10:04 PM Post #854 |
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Alright Chicken! I'll bite, what ya got? |
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| 3/4 Neilson | Jul 25 2009, 08:32 PM Post #855 |
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I think we should keep this same thread going for another year with out being deleted!!! No need to start another one. Here we go.....Pre Football picks....... #1 Scott West #2 Delano #3 New Prague ? |
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| wish-I-had-good-knees | Jul 26 2009, 07:27 PM Post #856 |
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not to burst anyone's bubble but no way Delano is number 2 they lost way to much fire power in there line up. lost 8 seniors to be exact. Out side of SW the field is pretty wide open. To be completely honest out side of SW, NP, Hutch, and Delano on the team aspect only the talent falls off drastically. 1. Scott West no question 2. NP ? 3. Hutch ? |
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| yub | Jul 27 2009, 12:37 PM Post #857 |
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What?????????? I don't under stand the last sentence. SW will win the section again, unless a plane crashes into there wrestling room during practice. Hutch and NP will battle for #2 (big Whoop) number of returning section place winners per team NP 8 SW 7 Hutch 6 NU 6 WM/ML 5 GSL/LP 3 DEL 3 MLLC 3 SP 3 ME 2 Wac 2 maybe if some other team has some very good wrestlers in the shadows they too could compete for #2... But I doubt most of the other teams or their staffs have the dedication to take the #1 spot. That is why SW is a program not just another team.. A whole lot of teams staffs alone don't have the kind of dedication it takes. They just muttle along safe in there jobs happy to get the kids that come along and make them look good. Expecting the kids to cut weight, put in the extra time and all the rest. Even though their own dedication is questionable, but their egos arn't. Then there are parents that sit back and grip and moan, but don"t speak up and hold anyone accountable. Yet when another family moves to get in a better program they complain about that. Saying they have no loyalty just who the heck are the supposed to be loyal to? Well I say their own family thats who!!! Unless other teams find the kind of dedication it takes. We will all have to say HAIL to SCOTTWEST!! They in section 2AA alone at least for now no what kind of dedication it takes....... Is this a challenge YOUR _____ ______ RIGHT it is..... Either everyone involved should show the kind of dedication it takes. Or they should get the _______ out of the ___________ way!(you fill in the blanks) I'll end my rant with a best of luck to a healthy,safe, and successful season to all of the section 2AA wrestlers and teams......... PS this is not in any way a insult directed at SW. I have much respect for the program they have.... |
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| IMONTOPSTEP | Jul 27 2009, 01:14 PM Post #858 |
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Sounds like someone is upset with their program? |
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| yub | Jul 27 2009, 02:27 PM Post #859 |
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Maybe, but as a fan of wrestling and our section that just happens to know wrestlers and parents. From many of the teams in the section, and I'm seeing this lack of dedication.. To be honest its all over the place not just our section. Yet all sorts of people complain about Vally,SW, JCC, and some others. That offer true dedication to their wrestlers. I just don't understand how anybody can take the position and not do that. I also know people in smaller towns that do just what I'm talkin about. Even if they only have a couple of kids that are committed. They lay it all on the line, and by the way it seems to show other kids that they too can count on the staff. The ohh its the numbers in some areas, and those kids have nothing else to do out there. Excuses are every where I guess that bothers me as much as anything. SW does not have magic beans they have dedication from wrestlers, parents and staff. |
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| Ride Hard Boy | Jul 27 2009, 03:54 PM Post #860 |
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They also have a heck of alot of Dvoraks! Seriously the lack of dedication is not just from the coachs. It is also from the wrestlers. Not alot of kids want to work that hard nowadays and wrestling is a tough sport. Tough practice, one on one on the mat, and most of all the weight cutting. There's better things kids think they need to do like video games etc. The work ethic in alot of kids just isn't there nowadays. You think every other sport isn't having the same problems? Don't just blame it on the coachs. So if you don't like it, move like everyone else? Is this the answer to build MN wrestling or your own program? It is just HS wrestling. |
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| yub | Jul 27 2009, 06:12 PM Post #861 |
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Sorry that you don't understand everything you read. Try carefully to see and understand all the words that are on the post. I never "blamed" as you stated just the coaches. But someone that is getting paid to do a job must take some degree of responsibility. I know that may not be politically correct you know to use the "R" word!!! Seems to me there my be some thin skin out there. Ya know once again here we go with the "e" word "Seriously the lack of dedication is not just from the coachs. " Who is in charge" ? "A lot of kids don't want to work that hard nowadays" No, only in Vally, STMA, SW, JCC and those with the the magic beans. "You think every other sport isn't having the same problems?" this is the guillotine forum. we talk wrestling here.... As for "So if you don't like it, move like everyone else?" nice comeback!!! Its like if someone took a crap in your hat you'd say "oh thanks it was kinda loose it fits much better now thanks for crapping in my hat". Its about Giving the wrestlers in each and every wrestling room the best chance to reach their potential. That in my opinion takes true dedication (like I said) from wrestlers, parents and coaching staffs!!!! Sorry but that starts with who is in charge.... |
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| 13887 | Jul 27 2009, 06:28 PM Post #862 |
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John179? Big Whoop? Maybe your right that 2nd place isnt nothing, but from where I come from it is? Its called building a team! Are you some kind of a state or national champion? Or do you just follow success? Its better to be a leader.....not a follower? |
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| yub | Jul 27 2009, 06:53 PM Post #863 |
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I wrote that! not John179 and it wasn't meant as a rip on those who are showing the dedication.That is needed to build a successful team or give every kid their best chance for success. It was intended for those who are happy being second when it comes along. But your correct 2nd can be a great achievement especially when dedication by everyone makes it happen. Fifth is great when its everyone giving their best. |
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| wish-I-had-good-knees | Jul 27 2009, 07:37 PM Post #864 |
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i dont know what i said to get this rant going but all i meant is SW is the clear number 1 and as for the number 2 & 3 teams is up for grabs with hutch and NP being very stong contenders in my mind. Your right second place for a team is a step in the right direction when building a team. As for people having the dedication as "YUB" was talking about sometimes people across the board get out of it what they put into it. a coach can put all the time an effort into something and if they have no backing from kids, parents, and or school they are just beating a dead horse. sometimes you have to start small. to me more often than not to many kids/parents/programs are satisfied with being average. if you can change that attitude your program has a fighting chance. also do with what you have today but always look towards tommorow. |
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| Ride Hard Boy | Jul 27 2009, 08:36 PM Post #865 |
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YUB You need to also read what you wrote because the ranting is very hard to understand and all jumbled together in all of your posts. But I get that your saying you see a lack of dedication with your team, this section, and everywhere. If your having coaching/parent/wrestler issues are you doing something about it? What are you doing to build your program personally besides gripping? Maybe your just trying to get everyone worked up in your section, get some conversation going, and MAYBE your issues with how you feel about wrestling in MN and the state of it needs it's own topic... You need to read also because this comment was not a smart--- comeback it was a question to you. So if you don't like it, move like everyone else? Is this the answer to build MN wrestling or your own program? It is just HS wrestling. [/QUOTE] Do I blame kids for wanting better, no. Is all the transfering going to help MN wrestling and teams that are working hard, no I don't feel so. I said- "A lot of kids don't want to work that hard nowadays" You said-No only in Vally, STMA, SW, JCC and those with the the magic beans. I was talking about kids in general, this generation, but by you making that comment are you criticizing the kids in your own program who are working hard(even if their not happy there) and others who are working hard in their own programs and showing dedication to them by not transfering even though they may want more? Your challenging the teams in your section to step up and be their best and show dedication and beat SW, what makes you think they didn't try last year and aren't trying this year? I agree with "13387", who are you to say that teams in this section have problems with coaching/parents/wrestlers dedication and aren't trying their hardest to build their best team, aren't striving to be the best? Because out of everything in your second post, that's what I got out of it. |
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| 13887 | Jul 27 2009, 09:37 PM Post #866 |
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Is Everyone giving Scott West the Title already? I think there is some 2AA wrestling teams that disagree? |
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| yub | Jul 27 2009, 10:47 PM Post #867 |
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Ride hard boy: *your opinion *I agree with "13387", who are you to say that teams in this section have problems with coaching/parents/wrestlers dedication and aren't trying their hardest to build their best team, aren't striving to be the best? Because out of everything in your first post, that's what I got out of it. you are correct I said "any of the other teams" when I should have said more than half. Because there are a few teams on the rise that are clearly building a new tradition. Who am I to say, well I don't have to be anyone to voice my opinion. But I do know a lot of the kids and parents in our section and through the state and region. I have been watching them wrestle since they we're little kids. In town, state, and national tournys ,Many of the parents and I have spoken about the same problems in some programs through out the years. Like lowering the expectation in the wrestling room to the kid that might quits level. Or telling a kid to cut to a weight and just saying oh you can do it, but not giving the kid a nutritional guide lines or plan to fallow. To me thats who is in charges responsibility, and I just don;t get that... And in my opinion there are some like I said who are safe in their job and just rollin along. *So if you don't like it, move like everyone else? just because you put a ? behind it doesn't make it a question, that is a statement. You need to add a (why don't you) *I said- "A lot of kids don't want to work that hard nowadays" You said-No only in Vally, STMA, SW, JCC and those with the the magic beans. Meaning: how come the kids in those programs seemed to want to do the work, it was sarcasm and I should have used a , or magic beans *I was talking about kids in general, this generation, (Same answer as above...) *but by you making that comment are you criticizing the kids in your own program who are working hard(even if their not happy there) and others who are working hard in their own programs and showing dedication to them by not transfering even though they may want more? Wrong, I'm saying the kids who work hard and want more DESERVE more and are being let down when they don't get it. I don't care about any thing else... *If your having coaching/parent/wrestler issues are you doing something about it? What are you doing to build your program personally besides gripping? Well for the past 15 years a group of us have been setting up camps and clinics most of them for free with hall of fame coaches, wrestlers, state and national champions, Olympians and world champions and place winners. As well as running tournys, recruiting for and helping to set up private clubs as well as driving kids all over the country so they can experience all that wrestling has to offer. Other than that I've just gripped a lot *But I get that your saying you see a lack of dedication with your team, this section, and everywhere. Yes, to a large degree I do see that, and its a shame in my opinion. I'm not very good at saying what I mean on paper or computer. I'm not really saying everyone, but I do think that more than not kids are being let down and its been getting worse year by year in wrestling. kids who deserve better aren't getting all that they need to be successful, Sorry, but if saying what I see pisses someone off, then oh well its not the first time for that. |
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| Ride Hard Boy | Jul 27 2009, 11:18 PM Post #868 |
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You aimed this topic towards 2AA when it should be it's own topic and I would take offense if I were a coach in this section. You keep saying your not just blaming it on the coachs, but then you make statements like this: Who am I to say, well I don't have to be anyone to voice my opinion. But I do know a lot of the kids and parents in our section and through the state and region. I have been watching them wrestle since they we're little kids. In town, state, and national tournys ,Many of the parents and I have spoken about the same problems in some programs through out the years. Like lowering the expectation in the wrestling room to the kid that might quits level. Or telling a kid to cut to a weight and just saying oh you can do it, but not giving the kid a nutritional guide lines or plan to fallow. To me thats who is in charges responsibility, and I just don;t get that... And in my opinion there are some like I said who are safe in their job and just rollin along. Do you really think problems like this are new or getting worse or were they there 10, 15, etc. years ago? I think years ago coachs were probably alot tougher on the kids than they are now and have heard weight cutting horror stories. I don't think they were handing out nutritional plans to anyone years ago, and in this aspect I hope things are getting better. There's always going to be better more dedicated coachs in some programs, stronger programs, they have changed throughout the years as coachs have come and gone. Maybe kids need to also be responsible for their own success and will learn a more valuble lesson. I think they have it much easier now than in the past and far more opportunities than any of us ever had. The private programs (Pinnacle etc., the many advantages MN/USA wrestling and other programs are offering statewide. |
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| Ride Hard Boy | Jul 27 2009, 11:35 PM Post #869 |
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YUB said-Well for the past 15 years a group of us have been setting up camps and clinics most of them for free with hall of fame coaches, wrestlers, state and national champions, Olympians and world champions and place winners. As well as running tournys, recruiting for and helping to set up private clubs as well as driving kids all over the country so they can experience all that wrestling has to offer. Other than that I've just gripped a lot So in the next couple years we can look forward to WM taking out SW then? |
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| yub | Jul 28 2009, 01:19 AM Post #870 |
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Ride Hard Boy We have not work with just WM/ML kids, We do what we can to help any kids that have wanted the help, from Waconia, Mound, Delano, Howard Lake, Minnetonka, Lester Prairie, Glencoe, Hutch, and all over the area. So I can't say any of the teams whos kids came out or we are able to help will be taking out SW. You asked what I've been doing so I told you, Yet you hiding behind a fake name come back at me like I said something about "taking out SW" WOW. I told everyone my opinion and didn't hide who I am and you can't take it. (whom ever you are) I didn't claim to be speaking for anyone else but at least I spoke as myself, and what I thought and think based on my observations. Sorry I didn't sugar coat it so everyone with thin skin could handle it. Opinions usually don't hurt so bad unless there is some truth to them. |
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