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2AA Team & Individuals; Top contenders
Topic Started: Jun 23 2008, 11:03 AM (737,775 Views)
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Jan 7 2012, 07:14 PM
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Jan 7 2012, 12:48 PM
In anyone is at the Denver-Tripoli Invitational, if you can post some results, that would be appreciated.

Through 170....
D-T has 5 champs (120, 132, 138, 152, 170)
SW has 1 champ (not sure who)

SW is leading team points
(source from D-T, not sure results are accurate :-)
D-T another champ at 182
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Betchwars won it at 126, Gabe Forgarty one it at 145 ??? Kroells is at hwt and the live feed is off.
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Siegle and Pesch got 2nd
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S-W won it with 3 champs
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team points 227 SW 1st with Denver Tripoli 195 2nd.
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Jan 7 2012, 08:34 AM
One team I have seen a couple of times this year and have been impressed with is the Saint Peter Saints. They only have one senior in the line-up, but still have varsity tested kids at most weights. Don't get me wrong, thier not world beaters but are a steadly improving team. Another team with with room for improvement is Mankato East as they too only have one senior in the starting line-up and lot of underclassmen gaining varsity experience.
see st peter a few times this year and they have a solid group of young kids who will do well in the section in the next couple years. most of the team are sophomores with a lot of varsity experience. agreed they are no world beaters but look for them to be a tough team with very tough individuals in the comings years. with this team and the other younger teams it is just a testiment to the toughness of 2AA. will be a very interesting individual section tourny. good luck to all
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New rankings coming out tomorrow. Any 2AA wrestlers going to move up or maybe fall off in the top 10?
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Any word on where wrestlers will be for ind. sections? Will Siegle be at 106 or 113? 120-145 could have some stacked weights, but I am sure some of these wrestlers will be shifting up or down. Which one of the Fogarty's will be at 138 and which at 145?
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Im guessing gabe will be at 145.
I noticed a few guys from 2AA fell off the rankings? Any surprises or thoughts?
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Flynn is finally ranked.
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They couldn't have Seigle and Flynn ranked at the same weight, seeing as how they are on the same team. Now that Zach is ranked at 113 they could put Flynn at 106.
Edited by goTigersgo, Jan 13 2012, 01:56 PM.
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Cant believe New Prague dont have 1 wrestler ranked? Whats up with that?
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Jan 13 2012, 02:36 PM
Cant believe New Prague dont have 1 wrestler ranked? Whats up with that?
He went to Albert Lea for a better schooling. jk
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Jan 13 2012, 02:41 PM
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Jan 13 2012, 02:36 PM
Cant believe New Prague dont have 1 wrestler ranked? Whats up with that?
He went to Albert Lea for a better schooling. jk
HaHa! Your a funny dude!
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Good luck to all in this Tough section.
Edited by OHSindian82, Jan 14 2012, 04:32 PM.
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It is going to be fun to see who is the section runner up. It will be close between NP and Hutch. I give the edge to Hutch but NP is hungry.

Next year is the year for section 2AA. Much more wide open to competition. A number of closely matched teams.
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Don't sleep on watertown and MLLC or Tri-City United next year. When looking at both there lineups I saw a very tough group of sophmores on the MLLC lineup. As for watertown they have a very good mix of quality underclassman.
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Scott West will be tough for the next 5-6 years, they reload every year. Everyone keeps saying that once they lose this group or next year they lose this senior class is just kidding themselves? I have heard it for 3 years.... Kudos to the coaching staff at Scott West for building a belief system and raising the bar. What is the rest of this section going to do that can compete with this elite program? Just speaking facts and truth?
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Jan 13 2012, 02:36 PM
Cant believe New Prague dont have 1 wrestler ranked? Whats up with that?
Thats what I was thinking too. IMO they should have about 3-4 wrestlers in the top 10. I guess it doesnt matter really in the end.
Sections is coming soon! Cant wait
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Jan 17 2012, 06:22 AM
Scott West will be tough for the next 5-6 years, they reload every year. Everyone keeps saying that once they lose this group or next year they lose this senior class is just kidding themselves? I have heard it for 3 years.... Kudos to the coaching staff at Scott West for building a belief system and raising the bar. What is the rest of this section going to do that can compete with this elite program? Just speaking facts and truth?
They have a solid program that puts good teams on the mat every year. I think in the next 2-3 years they will not walk through the section to make it to state, like they have lately. A few programs in the section are gaining momentum and should be able to make things interesting sooner than later.
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Jan 17 2012, 12:21 PM
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Jan 17 2012, 06:22 AM
Scott West will be tough for the next 5-6 years, they reload every year. Everyone keeps saying that once they lose this group or next year they lose this senior class is just kidding themselves? I have heard it for 3 years.... Kudos to the coaching staff at Scott West for building a belief system and raising the bar. What is the rest of this section going to do that can compete with this elite program? Just speaking facts and truth?
Edited by PickHandzPickHandz, Jan 17 2012, 12:41 PM.
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Scott West is dominate. But you have to put into consideration that teams like New Prague and Watertown/Mayer will have pretty much the same teams as this year.

New Prague has 1 senior and I dont know if Watertown has more than 1 either.

Scott West is losing about 7 seniors in their line-up if Im not mistaken?
I know they have depth, but of half their line-up is gone after this year, when some teams in the sections will be the same if not stronger than this year.

I think it is going to be close. Scott West will still be seeded #1 in 2AA I am guessing, but after this year I dont think it will be a GIVEN for a state spot anymore.
Hopefully no more fighting for 2nd place!!
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I wouldn't look past Delano, Hutch or Waconia either. All have youth programs that are better now than ever and are starting to push experienced wrestlers into the high school programs.
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Jan 17 2012, 12:42 PM
Scott West is dominate. But you have to put into consideration that teams like New Prague and Watertown/Mayer will have pretty much the same teams as this year.

New Prague has 1 senior and I dont know if Watertown has more than 1 either.

Scott West is losing about 7 seniors in their line-up if Im not mistaken?
I know they have depth, but of half their line-up is gone after this year, when some teams in the sections will be the same if not stronger than this year.

I think it is going to be close. Scott West will still be seeded #1 in 2AA I am guessing, but after this year I dont think it will be a GIVEN for a state spot anymore.
Hopefully no more fighting for 2nd place!!
If the section is a tighter race next year it will be because Scott West comes back to the pack. Time and again people on this forum make the mistake of thinking that young equals promising. After the years of domination that SW has shown, you have to realize that they are doing things better. Last year they were ranked 39th in the country by intermat and lost Jake Siegle, Tyler Zilverberg, Marty Dvorak, Zach Dvorak, Tyler Dobmeier, and Jon Lucus off the starting line-up. This year intermat has them at #35.
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Jan 17 2012, 01:09 PM
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Jan 17 2012, 12:42 PM
Scott West is dominate. But you have to put into consideration that teams like New Prague and Watertown/Mayer will have pretty much the same teams as this year.

New Prague has 1 senior and I dont know if Watertown has more than 1 either.

Scott West is losing about 7 seniors in their line-up if Im not mistaken?
I know they have depth, but of half their line-up is gone after this year, when some teams in the sections will be the same if not stronger than this year.

I think it is going to be close. Scott West will still be seeded #1 in 2AA I am guessing, but after this year I dont think it will be a GIVEN for a state spot anymore.
Hopefully no more fighting for 2nd place!!
If the section is a tighter race next year it will be because Scott West comes back to the pack. Time and again people on this forum make the mistake of thinking that young equals promising. After the years of domination that SW has shown, you have to realize that they are doing things better. Last year they were ranked 39th in the country by intermat and lost Jake Siegle, Tyler Zilverberg, Marty Dvorak, Zach Dvorak, Tyler Dobmeier, and Jon Lucus off the starting line-up. This year intermat has them at #35.
Exactly, thats what i was talking about......They will lose about the same as last year? Hey goTigersgo, good luck to Michael at the UofM! Love watching him wrestle.
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Jan 17 2012, 01:38 PM
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Jan 17 2012, 01:09 PM
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Jan 17 2012, 12:42 PM
Scott West is dominate. But you have to put into consideration that teams like New Prague and Watertown/Mayer will have pretty much the same teams as this year.

New Prague has 1 senior and I dont know if Watertown has more than 1 either.

Scott West is losing about 7 seniors in their line-up if Im not mistaken?
I know they have depth, but of half their line-up is gone after this year, when some teams in the sections will be the same if not stronger than this year.

I think it is going to be close. Scott West will still be seeded #1 in 2AA I am guessing, but after this year I dont think it will be a GIVEN for a state spot anymore.
Hopefully no more fighting for 2nd place!!
If the section is a tighter race next year it will be because Scott West comes back to the pack. Time and again people on this forum make the mistake of thinking that young equals promising. After the years of domination that SW has shown, you have to realize that they are doing things better. Last year they were ranked 39th in the country by intermat and lost Jake Siegle, Tyler Zilverberg, Marty Dvorak, Zach Dvorak, Tyler Dobmeier, and Jon Lucus off the starting line-up. This year intermat has them at #35.
Exactly, thats what i was talking about......They will lose about the same as last year? Hey goTigersgo, good luck to Michael at the UofM! Love watching him wrestle.
One thing you need to remember is the junior class behind the senior class. I can see why they moved up in the rankings this year. Yes, they did lose a lot of quality wrestlers last year. However, the juniors replacing them is an even better group of individuals. In two years, the team loses 13-15 seniors. I am not saying they won't be tough next year, but they will not be the hands-down favorites.

SW had 7 section champions last season......4 of them returned this year. Their seniors placed 1, 1, 2, 3, and 5 in sections. The junior class last year placed 1,2,2,1, and 1. You tell me which graduating class is better.

I don't think there was a person out there saying they were not going to be good this year. If there was, they don't know what they are talking about.
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I would be the first to tell you how great Scott West Coaches rebuild every year and how any wrestler can come out of the wood work from being a dud to a stud, but I just don't see how they can be that dominate next year with 9 graduating!

Phil Dvorak
#6 Luke Betchwars
#2 Gabe Fogarty
#4 Charlie Pesch
Patrick Dvorak
#6 Nick Dvorak
Jake Deweese
Mike Riker
#1 Michael Kroells

That is every wrestler from 145 to HWT on the varsity roster graduating. I just dont see the other 4 guys on the roster gaining a whole lot of weight next year to fill in the upper weights and dont see a hand full of studs on JV in the upper weights.

Larry what did you mean by this comment? If the section is a tighter race next year it will be because Scott West comes back to the pack.

If you are saing that team sections wont be a lot closer next year, I must be missing something big. Or your going crazy!! Which one is it? Not saing Scott West wont make it to state but it wont be written in stone before the season starts like the last 2- 3 years. If there is a way for Scott West to do it they will do it! Just as long as they can get a body at every weight.
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What I am saying is that I don't think section 2AA is going to be a tight race next year due to the fact that various teams are only using one or two seniors in their line-ups. Various posters have come on here saying "look out for us, we're young". If it's going to be a tighter section next year it will because SW won't be as solid as it has been for many years. My point is that SW does it better. Also, I'm a little crazy.
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I have talked to a number of fans ( parents, kids and coaches) from section 2AA teams and they are excited for next year as they feel that closer competition will be the norm in the section again next year. Unless the SW coaches have something up their sleeves that I do not know about and with full knowledge of the skill, knowledge, experience, dedication and committment to the SW program and with the feeders in place and reload-ability, I still see a closer section next year than in recent memory.
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Jan 17 2012, 02:53 PM
What I am saying is that I don't think section 2AA is going to be a tight race next year due to the fact that various teams are only using one or two seniors in their line-ups. Various posters have come on here saying "look out for us, we're young". If it's going to be a tighter section next year it will because SW won't be as solid as it has been for many years. My point is that SW does it better. Also, I'm a little crazy.
I don't disagree with SW having a great coaching staff and system in place to continuously improve wrestlers on all levels. They had a solid group (2-3+ years) of kids come through and after this year they will again lose a large number to graduation. I think a number of schools in the sections have been improving their programs to compete with SW regardless of whether they "come back to the pack" or not. I hope they don't, it will make the other programs continue to push to get better.
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