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I heard it too; Losers Sent Packing Home from Fargo
Topic Started: Jul 24 2008, 09:18 PM (5,059 Views)
buchancountyplowboy
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Yah. What is the deal? We also heard that kids are being sent home on Wednesday from Fargo after lowing. I know one of the kids will be the kind of kid that needs and deserves to see the stronger matches toward the end. Our club has paid for that kid to be up there and now he will not even be able to see the finals. Seems pretty bogus to me, and obviously others, that kids are being kicked to the curb and sent packing to home after not just their folks and them pay the bucks, but also clubs too. What is wrong us MNUSA on this one? I also heard that Greco coaches dumped kids at Augsburg the other night and took off before parents even had a decent amount of time to pick them up. Kids were sitting alone in the parking lot at Augsburg without coaches at almost past 2:00 am Not cool MNUSA Wrestling.
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Yes. We heard it too from some of our club officials that both of these have and will happen...kids being sent home before the finals take place. We also heard that one of the "Big Cheese" Greco coaches was "outa there" at Augsburg before any parents were there and that kids were left alone with no supervision well after 1 or 2 in the morning. Not a very good public relations move on either part.
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I don't know about dropping them off unattended, but sending them home may be so they don't need to baby sit them, and be responsible for them. Believe it or not, high school kids do stupid things. Not having any more matches gives them a bit to much idle time.
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Cannot disagree that kids do stupid things. But, these are kids also that have traditionally been up there for the duration to also see the finals no matter when they finish, unless their parents take them early. Clearly a bit of a snafu from a purely un-biased standpoint. And dropping kids off and leaving is never excusable. And, I do not think you are defending that.
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A coach should wait a reasonable amount of time for parents to arrive, but some parents expect us to be free baby sitters and I don't get paid enough for that. I have sat in an entry way at school for 2 hours with a student after a 30 minute roadtrip, because the parent decided to go to the bar instead of picking their kid up. Not saying this is always the case, but it seems to happen a couple time per year.
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Maybe $ is tight and they save on rooms. I personally thought it was great that kids got to stay and watch their teammates. Some of the 1st year cadets and juniors come back the next year improved just by watching and paying attention to the coaches and Storm guys still wrestling.
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Is the assumption here that kids are being forced to leave Fargo before the Finals?

I have not heard that.

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Perhaps parents are picking up their kids early so that they can salvage the weekend. I wouldn't think anyone is being forced to leave.
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IN two cases that we know of the parents were not planning to pick the kids up from Augsburg until after the finals like the itinerary said, the fee's outlined. Now they are being told the kids will be on the vans this afternoon at 4:00 pm to be at Augsburg. Agree with the others, not cool on the part of MNUSA Wrestling.

Also, we know have been told about numerous kids waiting at Augburg alone way past 1:30 am in the morning with know coaches around and parents delayed only because of detours and distances they live from Augsburg.
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Sounds like some of the situation is misconstrued.
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1:30 in the morning? Sounds like the parents/kids need to improve upon communication, organization & planning. There's no reason the coach should have to wait with the kids more than 10-20 minutes after arrival to the pick up point. This is the age of cell phones, text messaging, etc....

Not to generalize, but............ some kids are disrespectful & unappreciative of their parent's time/schedule, so it can't really be overly shocking if they aren't communicating start/end/pick-up times; can it?

Parents/kids expecting coaches to babysit is just lack of respect for a coach's time/schedule. In all likelihood, that coach is giving up family time to help the athlete. Expecting more is simply taking advantage of an already giving & selfless person.

Also, with some of this year's reported "issues" at camp, I can't blame the coaches for not wanting to take on additional 24 hour responsibility for poor decisions made by kids with idle time in Fargo. Unfortunately, we all know the choices made by a few can affect policy regarding the masses.

That said, there can be no arguing that many many devoted kids can learn &, more importantly, be inspired by watching the top-notch national competition.
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halfiowan
Jul 25 2008, 06:20 AM
Now they are being told the kids will be on the vans this afternoon at 4:00 pm...


On the vans at 4:00 pm or at Augsburg at 4:00 pm???

The Cadets portion of this tournament is over at 4:00 pm today.
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I don't think anyone should be posting negative things on here until they've spoken to Bill Hinchley or Julie Munkelwitz. That's just common courtesy to get both sides of a story.
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Good point, rumors are easy to start and hard to extinguish. Give the benefit of this situation to the coaches and MNUSA wrestling, they deserve it.
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As with any organization there is always room for improvement I agree MN/USA could use some but I don't have time and can't afford to help out so how dare I complain?? I really wish these parents who are so eager to complain would take a step back and think. These people who are helping out are providing your kids with an opportunity that for whatever reason you can't and/or are unwilling to do. These people don't do it for $ or credentials or even a pat on the back. They do it because they love the support and want to give your kid opportunity. I say get involved!! If you can't then dig a little deeper in your pockets and put your $ where your mouth is or just be greatfull someone is willing to provide this opportunity!

Thanks MN/USA Wrestling!
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My son is in his third year wrestling with the storm crew, both national duals in KC, OK and Fargo, both cadets & Jr. We have not had any problems with communications and expectations of the cadet and jr staff. We always get a phone call (from our son) if departure & arrival plans change.

There are always vans going back and fourth from Fargo through out the tournament with kids comming and going for various reasons. We also know that we need to be a little flexible as to when we need to be prepared to pick him up at Augsburg.

We also have the expectation that the staffs responsibility ends mat side and our son is responsible for his actions every where else.

We have had five phone calls with him (three yesterday and two today) and we know exactly what is going on. This year our son unfortuantly went 0-2 barbaque, he's injured, pissed off about his performance and wants to come home ASAP.

Lastly, our family would have never been able to have our son particapate in all these National events if it had not been for all the planning, preparation and organization of MN/USA and the Storm Crew. These events have made positive impact on his improvement and we are very gratefull for MN/USA and the Storm crews support that they provide him.

Kirk Fleming

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At least two kids were left alone at 1:45 am from two very good families, great parents, from two very good programs, with excellent communication between parents and two very, very good kids. The two excellent kids were dumbfounded as to why they were left alone with parents on the way, with no negligence on either the kids or parents part. The van got back late and parents were not untimely. The biggest concern was very good kids being left alone from what I have heard. No complaints otherwise....nothing but gratefulness for the opportunity.

As far as the kids being sent home today the big issues:

1. missing the finals
2. is there a rebate for costs if it was figured into camp/nationals costs?


USA Wrestling is a great experience otherwise. Too bad though to have first year Jr's being sent home today when they would like to take in the finals with the rest of the team.
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Talked to my son last night. He had just been eliminated and told me that he was staying until after the finals today. I know he would have called by now if he was "forced" to leave last night or anytime sooner than planned. I can't say enough about all the good things MNUSA has done for my son and all others I know that have wrestled with the Storm this year! If there were problems, then he wasn't affected by them and perhaps there are issues that need to be addressed between parents and their wrestlers. Good points regarding lack of communications between parents and their kids. I don't know how anyone could be stuck at Augsburg for several hours. All it would take is a phone call when they drive by St Cloud or Monticello or some suitable point along the way! Most kids all have cell phones and I know that at least mine would lend it to someone for a quick phone call home!

Congratulations to all that went to Fargo and those that are still wrestling!
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My son was on the bus that came back on Monday evening. They stopped in Sauk Centre to let him off as we live in outstate MN. We had received 2 phone calls from our son so we knew when to be there to pick him up. I was in Fargo to watch him wrestle and he was able to stay and watch him teammates thru the finals. He is a first year cadet and this was a great experience for him. He will back next year. He had a great time - well deserved after a long week at camp. Thanks to all who help to keep everything organized.
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not sure what happened ?
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I will look into all of this. As I've said many times, if anybody has issues on the Junior side of things please feel free to contact me directly.

Thanks,
Chris Willaert
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Jul 25 2008, 09:02 AM
No complaints otherwise....nothing but gratefulness for the opportunity.

As far as the kids being sent home today the big issues:

1. missing the finals
2. is there a rebate for costs if it was figured into camp/nationals costs?


USA Wrestling is a great experience otherwise. Too bad though to have first year Jr's being sent home today when they would like to take in the finals with the rest of the team.

Wrestling Guy-

Do you have a cadet or jr. who is down at Fargo?
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"I was in Fargo to watch him wrestle and he was able to stay and watch him teammates thru the finals. He is a first year cadet and this was a great experience for him. He will back next year. He had a great time - well deserved after a long week at camp."



....just an fyi...the kid/kids being asked to go/sent home is a Jr., and would like to stay with his teammates but does not want to make waves or get on the wrong side of things.
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MN/USA Wrestling would be in big trouble if kids were left alone at Augsburg and something bad happened. The poster who said he doesn't get paid enough to wait around could be paying out big bucks or worse if something bad happened.
Adults can't leave kids alone at Augsburg (not a good area) or anywhere else late at night. If they don't think they are responsible they better talk to some MN attorneys. I can guarantee you that MN/USA Wrestling would be in court if something bad had happened. These aren't 18 year old kids being left alone.

It has nothing to do with parents not being there on time. Parents could have had car trouble or an emergency elsewhere. It doesn't matter. It's just like any kid staying at your house and you dropping them off somewhere outside and then leaving them alone and driving away. What if they were robbed, abducted, beat-up or worse?

MN/USA does a great job but they dropped the ball leaving kids alone at Augsburg. They were very lucky.
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Once kids are out of the tournament I have no problem with MN/USA sending those kids back home. They were there to wrestle. Once kids are out they tend to get a little more wild and are more prone to getting into trouble.

Getting a rebate is a joke. Right, if you go 0-2 and are sent back home you will get some of your money back since MN/USA is making money on the deal :rolleyes: Then parents could complain that MN/USA kept there kids there an extra night and they could have gotten more of a rebate if they had sent them back sooner.
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Jul 25 2008, 04:28 PM
MN/USA Wrestling would be in big trouble if kids were left alone at Augsburg and something bad happened. The poster who said he doesn't get paid enough to wait around could be paying out big bucks or worse if something bad happened.
Adults can't leave kids alone at Augsburg (not a good area) or anywhere else late at night. If they don't think they are responsible they better talk to some MN attorneys. I can guarantee you that MN/USA Wrestling would be in court if something bad had happened. These aren't 18 year old kids being left alone.

It has nothing to do with parents not being there on time. Parents could have had car trouble or an emergency elsewhere. It doesn't matter. It's just like any kid staying at your house and you dropping them off somewhere outside and then leaving them alone and driving away. What if they were robbed, abducted, beat-up or worse?

MN/USA does a great job but they dropped the ball leaving kids alone at Augsburg. They were very lucky.

The so-called families involved were all excellent kids and people that were in very good communication and it was a traffic problem for kids/parents and a communication snafu on the part of the leaders from MNUSA that may have left them alone. Could not agree more with this post for numerous reasons.
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I really wish one of these wrestlers or parents would contact me instead of simply blasting the organization and our coaches publicly so I can find out what happened and make sure that we don't run into these issues again. As of tonight I have not received a single phone call, email, text message or pm regarding this incident...not a single one. If there was an issue that somebody is truly unhappy about I'd hope they would try to get in touch with me. I won't be in front of a computer much this weekend but I will try to check my email and this forum occasionally.

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Well, you obviously won't get any phone calls or texts, Willaert....especially from these parents. Isn't it obvious that whoever has sour grapes isn't exactly the best communicator? :D
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Chris an email has been sent.
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you dont know who started this, bad feeling often start because of Idol rumors. Maybe it was a parent maybe not. People should have all there facts strait before they speak besides I dont believe a public forum is the time nor place for it.
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