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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 25 2008, 10:33 AM (1,939 Views) | |
| CropDuster | Jul 25 2008, 10:33 AM Post #1 |
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Just Confirmed, Fedor vs. Arlovski at Affliction 2! Thoughts? |
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| snowleopard22 | Jul 25 2008, 01:08 PM Post #2 |
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who cares Affliction sucks, except fedor (should be a ufc fighter), all the others are ufc rejects. |
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| Sharkey | Jul 25 2008, 01:39 PM Post #3 |
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The UFC may be the current big thing in MMA, but it's not the future. MMA is getting big enough in the eyes of the public that fighters are going to be going to where the money is and the money isn't in the UFC. Fedor is never signing with UFC because he won't take the pay cut. Randy Couture's lawsuit to get out of his UFC contract is because he wants more money than the UFC will offer. I can guarantee you Anderson Silva and the other top middleweights and welterweights saw what Tim Sylvia made last weekend. They won't be quick to sign an extension with UFC. The UFC is slipping slowly away The Fedor-Couture fight is going to be the coming out party for MMA fighters into the big money. Both guys will earn millions. |
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| CropDuster | Jul 25 2008, 05:10 PM Post #4 |
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It's small-minded people like you that kill feeder programs we need in the future. Although I think Fedor handles him, i agree with Sharkey that the future could be with Affliction, and that fighters are going to be considering other orgs alot more strongly then just signing that dotted line with the UFC. Dana needs to do quite a bit to get Fedor in the octagon, and i doubt it will ever happen. |
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| snowleopard22 | Jul 28 2008, 11:46 AM Post #5 |
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small minded ok then, I guess I was looking at the facts!!! I think the affliction t-shirts are cool and scary. As for the fighters for afflcition sorry having such a strong opinion. Tim Sylvia, Bablou, do I really have to name them etc. they all fought for the ufc and none of them did great. I like when the ufc brings in a good fighter or potentially good fighters like Cro-cop and Brock Lesnar. The ufc doesn't give them a break and give them an easy fight. Example Cro-cop couldn't hack it so he's out. Wanderlei Silvia first fight with the ufc chuckliddel, then keith jardine, tough fights. I guess mainly because they don't have crappy fighters. I think it's dumb how much affliction is paying there fighters. Arlovski is a joke and thats why afflction gave him an easy fight to make him look like he's back to the andre of old. Don't worry I still wear my extreme couture affliction shirt at target center for ufc 87. I agree dana white is an idiot but thats not going to stop me from watching two skilled athletes in a cage go at it. |
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| CropDuster | Jul 28 2008, 01:17 PM Post #6 |
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Tim Sylvia was a champion... what a reject... Arlovski too... Former champ... won 4 straight... Reject... Renato Sobral... subbed Chael Sonnen and David Heath, also beat Whitehead who isn't a slouch... Reject. Maybe they're sick of getting screwed by Dana and Co. paying them low ball to fight. These fighters are worth more, and deserve to be respected in their craft. So people want these fighters to get payed more, curse them! We wouldn't want fighters that are happy to fight, and can make a career out of fighting for a while. Thats murder. If fighters cant find ways to get payed, they will either switch orgs (I think we'll be seeing more and more leave the UFC till Dana gets his head out of his arse), or just stop fighting and moving on to a different career. Then we have no MMA... Man, why are we paying these guys? Guys like CroCop, Brock, and Wandy all had hype and needed a challenge. CroCop got KO'd by Gonzaga in the first and Dec. by Cheick Kongo... Neither are even Top 5... He isn't as good as to be told of... Wand-Liddel was to make money off a great match up for the ages. Brock was hit hard the first time to see what he was like. He's in MN, and training, and i hope it works out for the best... But he's one dimensional right now, and you can't win like that anymore. Remember... Nog got beat by Fedor... Any UFC HWT < Fedor. |
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| snowleopard22 | Jul 28 2008, 01:35 PM Post #7 |
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Andre Arlofskei. beat some guy named: Justin Eilers, Paul Buentello(my favorite fight of all time, knock him out with a jab), great fighter. Tim Sylvia beat jeff monson and brandon vera. Loss to Randy, Mir, & Nogueira. (Both losses to Mir & Nogueira were submissions maybe he should be more "well rounded". I'm not knocking your favorite fighters, well maybe... but don't knock the truth. UFC is the place to be if you want to be the best. Just because Mr. Trump is going to help your wallet grow must mean alot, if you want to be the best at your "craft". It's dump to join an organzation for more money if you want to be the best. Does affliction have another division other than heightweight? please enlighten-me. |
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| XHockeyDad | Jul 28 2008, 02:09 PM Post #8 |
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Affliction "Banned" Salaries The Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) realeased information about the salaries give to the fighters. The highest paid fighter of the Affliction MMA fighter was not Fedor Emelianenko, but surprisingly Tim Sylvia. These figures have to be released due to legality. Affliction MMA salaries Even though mma fighters do not have unions, their earning are by law made available for public record in the United States of America. Any information about bonuses that a promoter also pays its fighters. However there is no law that the fighters have to dislose bonused such as PPV bonuses or fight of the night bonuses. Therefore these figures are not in the fighter salaries below. MAIN EVENT FIGHTERS Fedor $300,000 Defeats Tim Sylvia $800,00 Andrei Arlovski $750,000 Defeats Ben Rothwell $250,000 Josh Barnett $300,000 Defeats Pedro Rizzo $70,000 Renato Sobral $90,000 Defeats Mike Whitehead $50,000 Vitor Belfort $140,000 Defeats Terry Martin $30,000 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira $50,000 Defeats Edwin Dewees $15,000 These fighters salaries are very interesting as they far supersede what the UFC are paying their fighters. This could set a trend for fighter deanding more for their services. In addition, the Affiction MMA event has raised fighter salaries expectations. It would be no surprise that fighters may leave their organizations, to fight in Affliction simply because the pay is far better. The average fighter can probably fight 3 to 4 times a year....the minimum a fighter should receive is 15k per fight...take into account that most fighters need at least a month to heal up from a fight. The UFC has the dough, they need to pay the fighters accordingly. |
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| CropDuster | Jul 28 2008, 02:21 PM Post #9 |
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No doubt, right now. The UFC has the deepest talent pool. Some fighters need to be able to make this full time career... Therefore they need more cash. Also, Affliction may one day be the org that helps fighters move up the ranks, kind of like EliteXC... We cant put these orgs to the chopping blockbefore we give them a chance. Why are you so destined to get rid of MMA? oh, and "Hightweight" is my favorite division too. |
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| snowleopard22 | Jul 28 2008, 03:16 PM Post #10 |
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I had no idea where did you get your info. I love fortune tellers. I just want the best fighters in one org. and the others like affliction help design some new t-shirts. Sorry I meant HEAVYweight is the only division. Wait Terry Martin isn't heavyweight they have a few dominating fighters in every weightclass except, ...some day Tito Ortiz will join he could fight either Vietor Belfor or Terry Martin. What a scenrio with multiple options. Love it!!! |
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| D.O'Neill | Jul 28 2008, 04:03 PM Post #11 |
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Compare the salaries of the Affliction fighters to that what the UFC fighters got the same night. Its a joke. MMA is bigger than the UFC. Also unless Martin or Belfort move up a weightclass, I don't think they will be fighting Ortiz anytime soon. Although rumor has it that Belfort wants Tito. Might be true, might not be. Would make for a good fight. |
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| Sharkey | Jul 28 2008, 04:09 PM Post #12 |
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I think that's what we all want. The point people are making is that the only way to get the best together in one organization is outside the UFC. Unless UFC does a complete u-turn in their philosophy toward fighters, I think you'll never see the top guys together there. The best hope for getting all the best together is outside the UFC. If the UFC keeps offering second-rate purses to fighters they will soon become a second-rate organization. |
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| CropDuster | Jul 28 2008, 06:08 PM Post #13 |
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Its weird agreeing with you for a change D O'neil... I'm not gonna waste my time reinstating what Sharkey said. That would make me an idiot. Right On, Sharkey! |
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| CropDuster | Jul 31 2008, 01:51 PM Post #14 |
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Well, here's horrid news... Word on sherdog/mmajunkie is that Fedor is OFF the card. He injured his hand and is done for something like 180 days? Infact, if you search into it, it once had the card as Fedor vs. Arlovksi. Now it says Arlovski vs. TBD. disappointment. Other rumors include Tito vs. Babalu and Barnett vs. Arlovski. also Vitor Belfort vs. Matt lindland. |
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| bob | Aug 1 2008, 12:23 PM Post #15 |
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Where does Affliction get all the money to pay the fighters so much more than the UFC? |
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| XHockeyDad | Aug 1 2008, 01:56 PM Post #16 |
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Donald Trump....this won't last for long however...he didn't become a zillion-aire by investing money in ventures that don't pad his wallet. The UFC currently has the PPV numbers and sponserships to support the current salaries that affliction is paying...but they won't pay these salaries because there is absolutely no pressure on them to do so. |
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| Logan_Clark | Aug 4 2008, 11:00 PM Post #17 |
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It's now Barnett vs Arlovski in the main event. Fedor hurt his hand...again. |
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| XHockeyDad | Aug 4 2008, 11:04 PM Post #18 |
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Barnett and Arlovski will be a great fight....I will be glad to shell out the 49 bucks to see this one. |
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| CropDuster | Aug 5 2008, 04:51 PM Post #19 |
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From what i've read... its quite common for a fighter to get a medical suspension after a fight? That is whats going on with Fedor, right? Same with Sylvia? |
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| XHockeyDad | Aug 5 2008, 05:24 PM Post #20 |
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Yes, you are correct...medical suspensions are common. That further fuels my arguement that there is no reason why a figher should make less than 15k per fight...can you imagine if you had to wait six months to get medical clearance and you made 6k in your last fight? OMG that woudl suck, but that is the reality for today's fighters. Yes, I understand that Fedor made 300k and Tim made 800k....but there are guys that lay it out on the line just like they did....and they do it for substantially less. Check out the fights in WEC 35....I will bet HALF the guys were put on medical clearance and most of them didn't clear 15k for their efforts. |
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| CropDuster | Aug 5 2008, 05:36 PM Post #21 |
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I'm just as unhappy about it as you are, XHD, but what can they do? What, as a fighter, needs to happen so they can change what is going on? |
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| CropDuster | Aug 6 2008, 06:56 PM Post #22 |
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Affliction signed Horodecki. They have Tito. Sounds like it will be Lindland vs. Belfort, Tito vs. Babalu, and Vladmir Matyushenko (sp?) vs. Lil' Nog, and Rory Nelson vs. Paul Buentello. |
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| XHockeyDad | Aug 6 2008, 07:14 PM Post #23 |
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They really need to build up those PPV numbers if they want to continue paying the salaries they are shelling out..Trump just won't do it....UFC does have the numbers to support the larger salaries, but they just isn't any pressure for them to pay the increased salaries. The fighters deserve the money....its just the 150,000 pay per views jsut can't support the salaries. Affliction needs to build the fan base up...that's the bottom line. |
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| Logan_Clark | Aug 6 2008, 10:18 PM Post #24 |
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A big part of Affliction's first event losses could have been made up through superiors live gate sales rather than through increased ppv buys. They are taking the right first step towards a successful live gate by staging their next event in Vegas. They are also recruiting talent who are based in Vegas. That would be the reason that someone like Jay White, an instructor at Extreme Couture in Vegas, would be on the card. They also secured "Big Country" Nelson, another Vegas based fighter and IFL HWT champ, and Chris Horodecki, who is also out of Extreme Couture. They can come a lot closer to covering payroll with a strong showing at the gate, but they need to do a lot better job promoting the event locally until show time. |
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| CropDuster | Aug 7 2008, 09:36 AM Post #25 |
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From 5oz... Josh Barnett vs. Andrei Arlovski @ HW (official) Matt Lindland vs. Vitor Belfort @ MW (official) Roy Nelson vs. Paul Buentello @ HW (official) Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira @ LHW Renato “Babalu” Sobral vs. TBA @ LHW Chris Horodecki vs. TBA @ LW Mike Pyle vs. TBA @ WW Don't know whats going on with the Tito thing... anyone in the know? |
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| XHockeyDad | Aug 7 2008, 09:50 AM Post #26 |
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Those first 4 fights are absolutely fantastic. Josh Barnett vs. Andrei Arlovski @ HW (official) I am so looking forward to this fight....look for an explosive knockout!!! JB wil come out on top!! Matt Lindland vs. Vitor Belfort @ MW (official) I am glad Lindland got the last fight out of the way. He just wasn't on...I think it was because he thought he would blow right through Negao...Belfort will bring the best out of him...I believe he will peform against Belfort the same way he did against Carlos Newton...in dominating fashion. Roy Nelson vs. Paul Buentello @ HW (official) This will be an absolute slug fest...absolutely no ground work...just swinging from the fences...PB will win an absolute war. Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira @ LHW Two incredilby gifted athletes...both can strike and both can grapple...great match up. Noguera will win by 3rd fall submission. Sobral is always exciting, but I think they need a bigger name then him to be on the "live or televised" portion of the card. I know many people on the forum are fans of Horodecki...but I wouldn't go out of my way to watch any of this fights...Yes he has a great upside, but I don't feel compelled to cheer for him... Mike Pyle is another guy that just doesn't do anything for me |
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| XHockeyDad | Aug 7 2008, 09:52 AM Post #27 |
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...actually I think Tito vs Lindland and Belfort vs Sobral would have generated more interest...just one man's opinion. |
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| CropDuster | Aug 7 2008, 09:57 AM Post #28 |
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Good assessment. I think i will be buying my first Affliction card this october haha. one thing i heard was Tito didn't show to the press conference for Affliction yesterday, even though it was "supposedly" going to announce his signing. He had told SI he had a "ground-breaking, record contract" that had "out of the ring responsibilities". Hope he gets signed there. |
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| Sharkey | Aug 7 2008, 07:34 PM Post #29 |
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I wonder what UFC will throw at us for free that night? I think it will be Brock Lesnar, you heard it here first! |
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| CropDuster | Aug 7 2008, 10:17 PM Post #30 |
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I thought, processed, and searched. If Brock fights now... can he really fight in 2 months again? Maybe, they'll replay this like they did Penn-Sherk and others on that weekend. week after is Bisping-Leben. Then 2 wks after is Silva-Cote... What can they really throw out there that weekend? |
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