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Brocks Fight; the video
Topic Started: Aug 10 2008, 08:01 AM (1,763 Views)
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Interesting. I saw a lot of Brock's wrestling background.
I dont' know much about MMA, so here's my dumb question of the day. Are chokes illegal?

Brock had him several time in a position for a front naked choke and didn't go for it. When he was 'riding" him, he never went for a rear naked choke.

No side chokes although those were open as well.

Are the only ways to win: decision, KO, TKO or submission??
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Aug 10 2008, 08:54 AM
Interesting. I saw a lot of Brock's wrestling background.
I dont' know much about MMA, so here's my dumb question of the day. Are chokes illegal?

Brock had him several time in a position for a front naked choke and didn't go for it. When he was 'riding" him, he never went for a rear naked choke.

No side chokes although those were open as well.

Are the only ways to win: decision, KO, TKO or submission??

Chokes are allowed. The standing front head he had isn't going to get Herring to tap unless he bring him to the mat. I would think Brock could have gotten a rear naked choke but he was in no danger so just sat on top and followed him. He looked like he was comfortable beating him down and didn't want to go for a choke or any submission. Rogan was talking about how some guys(Tito Ortiz was an example he used) rarely go for submission and stick to ground and pound. Also im not sure Brocks Mammoth arm can fit under Heaths chin to get a choke in :lol:
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Since I'm cheap, I've never seen Lesnar fight before and I was impressed. He looked good in most areas. His style reminds me a lot of F. Emelianenko. Heath Herring is a solid fighter with a ton of experience and he could do nothing to Brock. Brock definitely has a bright future in this sport.

TLV. Chokes are legal. Brock didn't go for one. He's been doing this such a short time and his defense is so good that I imagine most of his practice time is spent on defense and stand-up.
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Aug 10 2008, 09:58 AM
Rogan was talking about how some guys(Tito Ortiz was an example he used) rarely go for submission and stick to ground and pound.

Another thing I prefer about PRIDE is the yellow card. Brock deserved a yellow and it would have made the fight a lot more interesting.

If the referee gives a fighter a yellow card for inactivity, he loses a point on the scorecard and 10% of his purse.
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Aug 10 2008, 08:59 AM
Since I'm cheap, I've never seen Lesnar fight before and I was impressed. He looked good in most areas. His style reminds me a lot of F. Emelianenko. Heath Herring is a solid fighter with a ton of experience and he could do nothing to Brock. Brock definitely has a bright future in this sport.

TLV. Chokes are legal. Brock didn't go for one. He's been doing this such a short time and his defense is so good that I imagine most of his practice time is spent on defense and stand-up.

He needs to work on Submissions and submission defense and polish off a little bit. His explosiveness is remarkable tho.
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Thanks, guys.
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Aug 10 2008, 09:02 AM
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Aug 10 2008, 09:58 AM
Rogan was talking about how some guys(Tito Ortiz was an example he used) rarely go for submission and stick to ground and pound.

Another thing I prefer about PRIDE is the yellow card. Brock deserved a yellow and it would have made the fight a lot more interesting.

If the referee gives a fighter a yellow card for inactivity, he loses a point on the scorecard and 10% of his purse.

Don't blame brock, blame the Ref for not standing them up. Brock dominated the standup. Brock did what he had to do to win. Maybe you didn't see the knees to the body by lesnar but I'm sure those didn't feel good. I saw Herring after the fight... the guy's face was a mess, I sure those hammer punches that, looked to do due minimum damage... had a lot to do with the sunglasses and the hoody over his head. :P
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My friend and I were sitting 15 rows back and I can honestly say that when Brock was landing punches it sounded like a baseball bat hitting a side of beef....Brock isn't built for 5 punch combinations....his power is devastating. Heath Herring is no joke...he has fought all the top names and has had a lot of success.
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Aug 10 2008, 08:01 AM

Unable to view the video now. Anyone know where else we can see the fight?
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Aug 10 2008, 08:58 AM
TLV,Aug 10 2008
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Rogan was talking about how some guys(Tito Ortiz was an example he used) rarely go for submission and stick to ground and pound. Also im not sure Brocks Mammoth arm can fit under Heaths chin to get a choke in :lol:

Rogan...
He bothers me...
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Aug 10 2008, 10:07 PM
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Aug 10 2008, 09:58 AM
Rogan was talking about how some guys(Tito Ortiz was an example he used) rarely go for submission and stick to ground and pound.

Another thing I prefer about PRIDE is the yellow card. Brock deserved a yellow and it would have made the fight a lot more interesting.

If the referee gives a fighter a yellow card for inactivity, he loses a point on the scorecard and 10% of his purse.

Don't blame brock, blame the Ref for not standing them up. Brock dominated the standup. Brock did what he had to do to win. Maybe you didn't see the knees to the body by lesnar but I'm sure those didn't feel good. I saw Herring after the fight... the guy's face was a mess, I sure those hammer punches that, looked to do due minimum damage... had a lot to do with the sunglasses and the hoody over his head. :P

I wasn't blaming Brock. I was blaming the referee. I don't think you read my post.
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I was in the fourth row, and even his little punches land loud and hard. He definitely could have been more active, but he is likely still getting comfortable to riding a person's back and throwing punches. He wasn't a legger, and he is so massive that putting the hooks in could be tough for him, which would make it quite difficult to finish from the back.
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Rogan was talking about how some guys(Tito Ortiz was an example he used) rarely go for submission and stick to ground and pound.

Another thing I prefer about PRIDE is the yellow card. Brock deserved a yellow and it would have made the fight a lot more interesting.

If the referee gives a fighter a yellow card for inactivity, he loses a point on the scorecard and 10% of his purse.

Brock deserved a yellow card? ....I read your post.
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Aug 10 2008, 09:58 AM
Rogan was talking about how some guys(Tito Ortiz was an example he used) rarely go for submission and stick to ground and pound.

Another thing I prefer about PRIDE is the yellow card. Brock deserved a yellow and it would have made the fight a lot more interesting.

If the referee gives a fighter a yellow card for inactivity, he loses a point on the scorecard and 10% of his purse.

Brock deserved a yellow card? ....I read your post.

Sure he did. He hardly did a thing the whole fight. I don't remember him going for a single submission or making any serious attempt to end the fight. Just because Herring did even less than Lesnar doesn't mean Brock was active. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he would have gotten a yellow card in PRIDE.
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Did Brock win?
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Aug 10 2008, 09:58 AM
Rogan was talking about how some guys(Tito Ortiz was an example he used) rarely go for submission and stick to ground and pound.

Another thing I prefer about PRIDE is the yellow card. Brock deserved a yellow and it would have made the fight a lot more interesting.

If the referee gives a fighter a yellow card for inactivity, he loses a point on the scorecard and 10% of his purse.

Brock deserved a yellow card? ....I read your post.

Sure he did. He hardly did a thing the whole fight. I don't remember him going for a single submission or making any serious attempt to end the fight. Just because Herring did even less than Lesnar doesn't mean Brock was active. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he would have gotten a yellow card in PRIDE.

Heath Herrings face might suggest otherwise.
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You have to understand the Bigger guys don't have the Cardio of a Sean Sherk or GSP (with the exception of Randy Couture). A heavyweight fight is not going to be the same as a lightweight or welterweight fight. Give lesnar some credit the guy showed some kicks, great defense,dominanted the wrestling, and tried a guillotine choke, he absoleutely exhausted himself during the fight, had 15,000 plus standing after the fight, not much more to say!!!
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Did you watch PRIDE fights back in the day? There's no doubt he would have gotten a yellow card from a Japanese ref. No doubt at all.
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Pride is dead....long live Pride. ;)

I think offering incentives for performance is much better than deductions for not performing.....Rob Emerson got 60K for knock out of the night. George St Pierre and Fitch shared 60k for fight of the night...Demian Maia took home an additional 60k for submission of the night....


And since when did Pride become the model for a fighting organization anyway? Prides way of thinking is precisely why they are where they are today....nowhere.
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Aug 11 2008, 01:16 PM
Did you watch PRIDE fights back in the day?  There's no doubt he would have gotten a yellow card from a Japanese ref.  No doubt at all.

A little, Correct me if I wrong, but wasn't Pride where the ref could stop the fight move the fighters back to the center of the ring and put them in the same position and restart the fight??? I give Pride credit for establishing great fighters, but I wouldn't be saying it was a good organization or anything like that.
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Did anyoe else think Brocks celebreation after hiwin was histerical when he was lasoing haring in
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Herring was talking a lot of crap up to the fight...The lassoo thing made me almost as happy as when Brock landed the straight right down the middle that almost removed his head from his shoulders and caused him to do the backwards summersault.
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Herring deserved a yellow card for doing nothing but turtling the whole fight.
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Sure, Brock could have going for the RNC and ended but he was dominating Herring. It seemed to me that he was working something the whole time, punches knees..ect. He stayed as active as a fighter can when facing with a turtle.

That said, Herring has faced good competition, won some and lost some. Some of those wins came against good fighters. All in all Brock looked pretty damn good for his third fight.
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Well stated..... B)
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Aug 13 2008, 06:34 PM
Well stated..... B)

Totally agree as well. Like I said in the second or third post of this thread, Lesnar was impressive.
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