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EliteXC Heat; Kimbo vs. Shamrock
Topic Started: Aug 25 2008, 08:59 PM (2,494 Views)
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Televised CBS Portion for EliteXC "Heat":

- Kimbo Slice vs Ken Shamrock
- Jake Shields vs Paul "Semtex" Daley (EliteXC Welterweight Title bout)
- Gina Carano vs Kelly Kobald
- Murilo "Ninja" Rua vs Benji Radach
- Cris Cyborg vs Yoko Takahashi (Swing Bout)
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I think Shamrock is the "ideal" opponent for Kimbo...Ken truly "gets it". I am sure he will talk crap all the way up to the fight...you will probably see the trainers have to restrain them both during several of the pre-fight interviews they give....I like that kind of nonsense....I become "emotionally invested"..Shamrock is so old though, I just can't see him lasting more than two rounds....but I am sure it will be an action packed two rounds.


Gina Carano vs Cris Cyborg should have been headlining this bout....it will be an absolute war...I am truly looking forward to it I have no idea why they are postponing it. They will both win by painful TKO's.

Jake Shields is the real deal and Paul Daley has wins over Duane Ludwig and Mark Weir....pretty good resume, but I think Shields will prevail.

Ninja vs Radich will be an absolute war....both are extremely aggressive. I think Ninja's injuries have not had enough time to heal..I thnk Radich will win by TKO in the third round.
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I hope Shamrock puts Kimbo in an ankle lock and ends all this KIMBO SLICE hype. Let's face it the guy belongs in Boxing not Mixed-Martial-Arts.
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Shamrock-Kimbo is a joke... Anyone who has ever heard of MMA hopefully understands that... This is to glorify Kimbo and groom him by having him put down a "legend".
Now, on the business side, this is brilliant... Don't get me wrong...

do they really think they are going to last and prosper? i mean EliteXC of course. i'm the first guy to root for new and more MMA, but i truly don't understand why Carano-Cyborg isn't on this card...

Sheilds is the real deal... I see him winning handily.

Kimbo bothers me, Ken bothers me...
Hopefully they both leave the cage retired for good.
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...as much as it nauseates me to say it....Kimbo is the only reason EliteXC did as well as it did on the EliteXC - Primetime card.....hopefully the same YOUTUBE crowd watches and the rest of the competitors put on the show of their lives...Just like Forest and Bonner did....EliteXC has their foot in the door, they need their employees to step up and perform....the residual effect I believe it is called.
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I agree. I'm really pulling for the rest of EliteXC to have a bonafide war that opens up that mainstream crowd and generates interest.
I want EliteXC to prosper, and i am always cheering to keep more MMA, especailly on TV. Plus, they have some good fighters like Sheilds and such.
But i despise Kimbo... I really do.
What happened to fighting in local shows, and moving your way up the ranks?
Now you're either on the internet or on a reality TV show it seems...
Oh well, its evolution i suppose.
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This is a joke. If Kimbo can't beat up a 44 year old washed up legend then he should quit fighting altogether. Shamrock has lost 8 of his last ten fights, only one of them was close and that was when he fought equally as old Don Frye.

I'm sure Kimbo's people will make it out be some sort of proof that he's good but we all know better.
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Kimbo vs. Jose Canseco would be fun to watch... if it were on utube. I agree Kimbo doesn't belong on a national stage yet! This banking your whole organization around one guy seems problematic. Shamrock needs a Payday so thats why he took the fight, he's a great promoter I believe the 2nd time tito and shamrock fought it was one of the highest pay-perview buys with over 700,000.
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I love Kimbo. I can't wait to see him fight a more legit opponent in Bret Rogers after he KO's old man Shamrock. I'd love to see him work his way up to a top 20 heavyweight someday.
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Please explain why you love him.
i guess i share a different viewpoint and look to be enlightened...
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I wouldn't go so far as to say I love him....but I do respect him for procuring Bas Rutten's services. He appears to be saying all the right things in interviews...if only he could shed that hideous posse that constantly surrounds him. I just can't get behind the whole "look at me I am a gangster" schtick.... <_<
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CropDuster
Aug 27 2008, 02:44 AM
Please explain why you love him.
i guess i share a different viewpoint and look to be enlightened...

Read the ESPN article about him. There is a lot more to Kimbo than meets the eye. Don't be so quick to judge.

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Aug 27 2008, 11:27 AM
CropDuster
Aug 27 2008, 02:44 AM
Please explain why you love him.
i guess i share a different viewpoint and look to be enlightened...

Read the ESPN article about him. There is a lot more to Kimbo than meets the eye. Don't be so quick to judge.

He's exactly the opposite of what the mma stands for! Sorry I didn't read the article, (I'm sure there's a sad story I missed) What about guys like Jon Fitch how he evolved in mma, living off next to nothing, for a sport he believed in. Roger Huerta, Chris Leben, many more athletes that came from bad backgrounds to taste the success of the fastest growing sport in the world. Kimbo has a ton to prove and the EliteXC keeps feeding him non existant fighters or fighters that have a name (Tank Abbott, Shamrock) but are looking to make one more payday, that crap makes me sick!
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I've read a couple stories on him... in FIGHT! magazine and on sherdog and such...
He, to me, comes off as a person who's taken a few too many punches.
He gets props for atleast trying to evolve his game with training with Bas, but i hate to see Kimbo in there making dough when there are plenty of guys that have fought their way up teh ranks and are more qualified then some random brute that beats the crap outta people off the street for YouTube.
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What exactly does MMA stand for? I don't see at all how he "goes against" Mixed Martial Arts? Read the article and keep on open mind. The guy has had 3 fights, cut him some slack.

Chris Leben isn't exactly some poster child either. He's spent far more time in jail in Kimbo ever has. Chris Leben? Really?

What difference does the money he make have to with anything? Its not his fault that he gets paid what he gets paid. There is a demand to watch Kimbo fight and people are willing to pay him that, good for him. Kimbo came up with next to nothing, and he made it big. I don't see how that warrants such disdain for him or what that has to do with his character. If you wanna be mad at someone, be mad at EliteXC management for making him what he is.
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MMA stands for Mixed Martial Arts. :)
3 fights, with or without his beatings online...?
yeah...

I never really enjoyed Leben, personally. He just makes fights worth watching.
HE, unlike Kimbo, makes fights interesting based on his skills.
HE, unlike Kimbo, has a ground game.
HE, unlike Kimbo, has fought someone who isn't a total can.

I'm saying, there are guys fighting up through local shows, even going on reality TV shows to get their name out and fight in the bigger shows, and he steps in and highlights cards because he can throw some random beatings on puds online. Lots of people grow up with nothing and become big. It was stated on another thread that GSP's family was poor when he grew up. I am mad at EliteXC management. They're grooming him until he steps his game up. That could be a while. He will soon be exposed as a lower level fighter and get owned.
Make him fight someone with some talent for a change... or atleast someone without a popping cauliflower ear!
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What skills of Chris Lebens are you talking about? The ability to get punched in the head? Of course Kimbo hasn't fought someone who isn't a total can, he's had 3 fights, that kind of a no-brainer. People don't fight legit opponents within their first three fights, regardelss of how they are promoted. Kimbo won't be a top 20 contender for atleast 3 or 4 more fights, let that happen, and if he still sucks, if he still is fighting cans, then talk all the game you want.
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Chris Leben did fight Anderson Silva in his 4 or 5 profession fight, I was using Chris along with Huerta as example of people that have worked there butt off to get to the where they are. You know how fighters have to fight there way to top, in local small organizations or in this case the internet. Kimbo will never a top 20 contender because he's not well rounded and doesn't have the kind of dedication to become a great fighter. Well rounded (GSP)means became able to perform in all positions. I happy to see your a Kimbo Slice fan... many people are, I'm a fan of mma there's a big difference!
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Snowleopard22, well stated. I, however, am going to give Kimbo a little credit because he is working with Bas Rutten. Bas IS what MMA is all about. If Bas sees something in him, maybe there is hope.

I would have a much easier time accepting Kimbo as an MMA fighter if he didn't have that ridiculous posse following him around every where he goes....hopefully his management crew will advise him to drop those clowns.
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Well, I don't really care about waht Kimbo did in his out of the ring life or what he did in streetfighting. Boohoo, he had a bad life, join the club with the millions of others who had a crappy childhood. He is not unique in that aspect.

Bottomline I only care about what he does as an MMA fighter. So far he shows to have some potential if he can put together a good ground game. However, he is getting way more attention that is deserved for fighting substandard competition even at this early stage. Heck, Brock is just starting out and I'm pretty sure he'd destroy Kimbo. Atleast Brock has beaten and in fact dominated at least one good fighter already.

I really have no problem with Kimbo, my problem is more with all the attention that clueless fans have who think he one of the best heavyweights. He most certainly is not one of the best heavyweights, not even top 20. Maybe some day he will be, but right now he wouldn't scare any of the better heavyweights.
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So you can't be a fan of Kimbo and mma? I don't see how that works. There is a market that wants to see kimbo fight, and people are willing to shell out big bucks to watch it happen. I guess he should be sorry its so marketable, and just fight in small shows, because he doesn't have a family to feed to anything like that...

I think Leben fought Anderson in like his 17th pro fight... He's even got awesome youtube vids too! Only a real fighter like his can bite through coke bottles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhXFmKH_WiQ
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No, It's just mma (whatever that stands for) just doesn't fit into the same sentence as Kimbo utube Slice. Tank Abbott was a legend. Ken Shamrock was a legend. Do you follow? I hope they can bring in a guy that will test him maybe a new and up and coming fighter not some old washed up Hall of Fame fighter. Is Marc Coleman next?
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EliteXC brass are no fools....they know having Kimbo as their main guy will evoke this kind of discussion....either you love him or you hate him, but you probably will be watching come fight time.

Now add Shamrock's pre-fight banter into the equation and now you potentially have double the amount of viewers.....


http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/shamr...k-his-leg-14203

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Aug 28 2008, 08:46 AM
So you can't be a fan of Kimbo and mma? I don't see how that works. There is a market that wants to see kimbo fight, and people are willing to shell out big bucks to watch it happen. I guess he should be sorry its so marketable, and just fight in small shows, because he doesn't have a family to feed to anything like that...

I think Leben fought Anderson in like his 17th pro fight... He's even got awesome youtube vids too! Only a real fighter like his can bite through coke bottles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhXFmKH_WiQ

If you are refering to my post:

I never said anyone couldn't be a Kimbo fan. Nor did I say you couldn't be a fan of both Kimbo and MMA.

I just think that the amount of press/fan attention he gets is no where near proportional to his actual talent. I'm not denying he has some marketability, youtube can do wonders for your career and there is something of a mystique about an "underground streetfighter".

I guess I wouldn't be so proud to be claiming wins of Tank Abbott and most likely Ken Shamrock. Tank Abbott is a dinosaur in MMA, he's from an era of MMA before people started trainging a balanced all-around fight game. A time when the UFC was a glorified toughman contest. Shamrock was ahead of his time in MMA in his prime but even if he was in his prime I'm not sure he'd be very competitive in the current UFC.

Kimbo claiming victories over these legends is akin to Holyfield @ the age of 28 beating Foreman @ 42. Yeah, Foreman was a legend one of the best of all time but he was 42. Holyfield @ 28 should dominate that fight, you should not be claiming you beat a legend as if you are better than he ever was.
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I was not referring to mcrow's post, and I didn't even know it existed until I saw your last post. I'm a tool.

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No, It's just mma (whatever that stands for) just doesn't fit into the same sentence as Kimbo utube Slice.


How doesn't it fit? Kimbo Slice trains in mixed martial arts. Does that not fit? Does he not train with Bas Rutten? What about "Kimbo Slice competes in mixed martial arts"? I think that fits too. I really don't understand what you are getting at.
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I can't wait for Shamrock to make him tap! Ankle Lock!!!
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Aug 28 2008, 09:45 AM
I can't wait for Shamrock to make him tap! Ankle Lock!!!

You can't truely believe this will happen...
EliteXC can't have that happen.
Ken will take a dive...

Just make sure Ken drains his ear...

Let The Grooming Continue...
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Aug 28 2008, 11:06 AM
Ken will take a dive...


I never even thought of that angle...what if Ken gets paid to "lose"? The only other corrupt match I can think of to date is Mark Coleman vs Takada in Pride 5....EliteXC has so much riding on this fight....Kimbo losing would just be crippling to them.
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After Kimbo beats Ken(dive or no dive), I wonder if the Mo Lawal not becomes the next in line...
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Never thought of that XHD...
Mo is flashy enough to really get some hype behind that bout...

Carano-Cyborg,
King Mo-Kimbo...
big money...

Get em Ninja!
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