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UFC Heavyweights; "Fedor would tear Brock up" - Couture
Topic Started: Nov 17 2008, 07:53 AM (886 Views)
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Brock is the heavyweight champion.

Nogueira is the interim champion.

Fedor is the best, but lost a Combat Sombo match at the world championships yesterday.

Arlovski is back on the attack.

Cheick Kongo is ripped :D .


What do people think of all of this?


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Gonzaga ... despite his hairy back, I'd like to see him in the mix.

Fedor is the best, by far. I hope to see him fight Lesnar in my lifetime, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Only will happen if Dana can make the money work in his favor.

Kongo is ripped, but that's it.
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Kongo also has wears sick shirts.

UFC HW division is starting to rebuild itself.
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Kongo does have the sikkest shirts haha!

But seriously... I don't see Fedor-Lesnar happening, unless some ungodlike force brings Dana to the conclusion that to make money, he might have to give a little up.

Arlovski-Fedor is happening soon? or like, on some Affliction card relatively soon??

I see Nog beating Lesnar though... I just don't see Lesnar's brawl style beating a slick groundfighter like Nog...
What happened when Mir fought Lesnar? I know Lesnar has gotten better, but a first round submission means his ground game is terribly weak... Nog will weather the storm, and make Brock Tap!

Well, thats assuming Nog shows Mir "whats up" when they clash... :D
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I'm interested in hearing peoples opinion on Combat Sambo. I've seen some Sambo fights, but what's the difference between it and MMA? Could some of the other top Sambo guys come over to MMA and be successful or is Fedor just unique?
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There is absolutely no difference between Combat Sambo rules and MMA, except SAMBO bouts occur on a standard wrestling type mat. You strike, you kick, you submit...I am surprised we don't see more Combat SAMBO guys transition into the sport.
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Nov 17 2008, 11:12 PM
There is absolutely no difference between Combat Sambo rules and MMA, except SAMBO bouts occur on a standard wrestling type mat. You strike, you kick, you submit...I am surprised we don't see more Combat SAMBO guys transition into the sport.

That was my thought when I watched the combat sambo. I understand Fedor is the best at combat sambo, but you'd think some guys like the Bulgarian who beat Fedor would be able to make the transition for some cash.

Recruiting some of these guys for UFC also seems like a great ploy to suck Fedor into the organization. If Ivanov were the UFC world champion, you know that would get under Fedor's skin.
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My top heavy/light heavyweights of today would be...

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2.Mirko Filipovic
3.Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera
4. Frank Mir
5. Forrest Griffith
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Nov 17 2008, 10:12 PM
.I am surprised we don't see more Combat SAMBO guys transition into the sport.

Probably does not happen a lot because there are not a ton of combat sambo fighter in the entire world.

As far as the Lesnar vs Mir thing, Lesnar was about to crush Mir when the ref stepped in and said he had a blow to the back of the head, the ref definitely saved Mir's life that night.
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Nov 18 2008, 08:24 PM
My top heavy/light heavyweights of today would be...

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2.Mirko Filipovic
3.Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera
4. Frank Mir
5. Forrest Griffith

You're crazy.
Cro Cop isn't Top 10 in the HWT class alone...

More like...
1. Fedor
2. Nog
3. Mir
4. Lesnar (only because he lost to Mir, otherwise number 3...)
5. Arlovski

sort of atleast... not really a HWT guy myself...
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Nov 19 2008, 11:46 AM
deedsnotwords
Nov 18 2008, 08:24 PM
My top heavy/light heavyweights of today would be...

1. Fedor Emelianenko
2.Mirko Filipovic
3.Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera
4. Frank Mir
5. Forrest Griffith

You're crazy.
Cro Cop isn't Top 10 in the HWT class alone...

More like...
1. Fedor
2. Nog
3. Mir
4. Lesnar (only because he lost to Mir, otherwise number 3...)
5. Arlovski

sort of atleast... not really a HWT guy myself...

Completely agree with your top 5.

A few hwt thoughts:

What is Tim Sylvia's future in MMA? I still consider him to be a top 8 HWT, but he has show of late that he can't compete with elite HWT's.

What are everyone's thouhts on Gabriel Gonzaga? I've been extremely impressed with him lately.

Anyone else think it was absurd whenthey said Brock was the heavyweight champion of the world after beating Couture? Brock was good, but let's see him against the likes of Nogueira and Fedor.

Is there going to be a HWT ultimate fighter anytime soon? I would love to see one and see former MSUM AA Chris Tuchsherer on it. He placed 2nd in the Elite 8 Yamma tourney last year and he defeated Cristof Stocynski, who is favored to win TUF in the light heavy division this year.
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Nov 19 2008, 01:28 PM

Anyone else think it was absurd whenthey said Brock was the heavyweight champion of the world after beating Couture? Brock was good, but let's see him against the likes of Nogueira and Fedor.

Agreed. Doesn't it make sense that the champions first fight back should be against the interim champion?
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Yeah I can't wait til he fights again. I think Fedor will fight a little later in his career. I think Brock's next match should be against the winner of Frank Mir and Antonio Noguiera
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Mir doen't belong in the top 20...he is an absolute fraud...please watch his two fights against Wes Sims to completely understand why I think he is worthless. I said it before and I will say it again...If Brock fights Mir 100 times, he might lose one time....so he got his one win. :lol:

Mir vs Nog in December will show everyone what a tomato can Mir really is. Nog, Gonzaga, Carwin, Fedor, Lesnar are the only heavyweights worth discussing...

Take a look at this anemic list....

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.Al...rs&did=1&LName=

Yikes! Maybe Mo Lawal and Kimbo Slice can make the top 10 of this group!

This isn't a shot at Mo...he seems like he is a legitamite contender...its just he is only 215.
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...just to make the list a little longer...they added Dan Severn into the mix...he hasn't fought in the UFC since Pedro Rizzo made him submit with leg kicks...this a pre 9/11 fight!!!
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Nov 19 2008, 01:04 PM
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Nov 19 2008, 01:28 PM

Anyone else think it was absurd whenthey said Brock was the heavyweight champion of the world after beating Couture? Brock was good, but let's see him against the likes of Nogueira and Fedor.

Agreed. Doesn't it make sense that the champions first fight back should be against the interim champion?

Its all about the money...I don't think the UFC was expecting Brock to win. Randy winning would have setup a big money fight with Fedor...If Brock loses...so what?...its only his fourth fight...it would have done very little harm to his career.
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Nov 19 2008, 01:42 PM
Yeah I can't wait til he fights again. I think Fedor will fight a little later in his career. I think Brock's next match should be against the winner of Frank Mir and Antonio Noguiera

Brock WILL face the winner.
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Nov 19 2008, 12:28 PM

Anyone else think it was absurd whenthey said Brock was the heavyweight champion of the world after beating Couture? Brock was good, but let's see him against the likes of Nogueira and Fedor.

Couture had the belt, Lesnar took it from him what else would they possibly call him? That was Couture's title also.

Nog had prior match commitment to Mir so it had to go down this way unless you wanted Brock to wait a long time. And Brocks losing to Mir might be a blessing in disguise because he got to see Couture before Nog and hold the Heavyweight Championship Belt.

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I just picked this from WWW.MMAWEEKLY.COM

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templa...=7618&zoneid=13

I agree with this list for the most part.

HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

3. Josh Barnett

4. Andrei Arlovski

5. Randy Couture

6. Tim Sylvia

7. Gabriel Gonzaga

8. Fabricio Werdum

9. Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic

10. Brock Lesnar


The reason I would still have Randy in this list is because I don't think Randy was truly ready for the last fight...If he loses his next fight I would remove him from the list. Brock needs to win another "big" fight to climb the ladder and prove that he is legitimate. A win over Nog or Silvia would do that. Notice how Mir is nowhere to be found on this list.
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Here's just a few upcoming Heavyweight fights.

UFC: Fight for the Troops

Eddie Sanchez vs. Justin McCully

UFC 92

Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir
Cheick Kongo vs. Mostapha Al-turk
Antoni Hardonk vs. Mark Burch
Dan Evensen vs. Pat Barry

Affliction: Day of Reckoning

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Andrei Arlovski
Paul Buentello vs. Kiril Sidelnikov
Josh Barnett vs. TBA

UFC 94

Jake O'Brien vs. Christian Wellisch

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