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| MMA Myth #1; Being a great wrestler | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 18 2008, 12:18 PM (821 Views) | |
| Mcrow | Nov 18 2008, 12:18 PM Post #1 |
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Wrestling Goon
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One of the biggest myths in MMA Is that being a great wrestler means you will be good MMA fighter. Wrong. Grappling in wrestling and grappling in MMA are two very different things. For one, in wrestling you are not worried about being hit,choked, or legally having your limps busted. As such, many positions in MMA need to be gaurded against that are not such a big deal in wrestling. Sure, being a good wrestler means you know how to grapple but you still need to learn and execute defenses against chokes,strikes, and limb locks. You also have to learn how to finish, which is something a lot of wrestlers have trouble with. Like anything else in MMA, you have to balance your game. |
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| Sharkey | Nov 18 2008, 12:54 PM Post #2 |
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So true. I think the reason you see so many successful MMAers with a wrestling background is that good wrestlers know position and have developed a sixth sense of how someone is moving around them. A wrestler still needs to learn a bunch of submission offense and defense, but I think the "feel" good wrestlers have allow them to learn BJJ quicker than, say, a boxer or a K-1 guy. A good example is last Saturday. The one time Couture got on top and tried to mount/attack Lesnar he tried to slipped a leg in. Lesnar grabbed the ankle, lifted hard, slid his left leg through and tripped Couture to the ground for a reversal. That was the "feel" of a wrestler by both guys. Couture's idea probably would have worked against a non-wrestler. |
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| noad0201 | Nov 18 2008, 02:27 PM Post #3 |
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Fantastic
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I don't think most people believe that being a great wrestler will make you great at MMA, but rather most people recognize that having a successful background in wrestling gives you a huge advantage starting out over someone with little to no wrestling experience for the reasons Sharkey stated. |
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| Mcrow | Nov 18 2008, 02:30 PM Post #4 |
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Wrestling Goon
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Oh...you'd be surprised how many people assume good HS/College/Olympic/Pro wrestlers would make good fighters. Anyone who watches a fair amount of MMA knows this but to the casual fan... |
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| XHockeyDad | Nov 18 2008, 02:34 PM Post #5 |
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I don't know if it guarentees that you will be a good fighter, but I believe it is much more easy for a wrestler to transition into MMA than it is for someone coming from a straight striking discipline. The earlier UFC's proved it as the majority of the pure wrestlers would consistently win against the styles where striking was the focus...Maurice Smith beating Mark Coleman opened people's eyes to cross training..Frank Shamrock submitting Kevin Jackson in 20 seconds...Don Frye also had a lot to do with people not just focusing on one style. Dan Henderson sums it up best..."It took me my entire life to learn how to wrestle...it took me 8 months to learn everything else" |
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| bob | Nov 18 2008, 09:23 PM Post #6 |
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Of course being a wrestler isn't going to automatically going to make you a good MMA fighter. Its alot different of wrestling and there are many other component(Striking, Submissions ect.) But it is definetly a good base skill set to have. |
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| huntfishwrestle | Nov 18 2008, 09:40 PM Post #7 |
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But, wrestling is the most important skill to have to be a good fighter. Dana White even said himself when watching 100's of people try out the #1 thing he looks for is a good wrestler, and he was a boxer! |
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| cschruppMSU | Nov 18 2008, 10:02 PM Post #8 |
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Wasn't all that kind of obvious? |
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| Sharkey | Nov 18 2008, 10:56 PM Post #9 |
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Yes! We did it! I knew Cole secretly read every word of our beloved MMA board. We just had to figure out how to draw him out. Nice job McCrow! It's a little embarrassing that we had to stoop this low to do it, but it is a great success! So Cole, what's your opinion on women enduring childbirth without drugs or medical assistance. Brave or crazy? Let us know what you think. |
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| XHockeyDad | Nov 19 2008, 06:00 AM Post #10 |
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Fantastic
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That's exactly what I was thinking :D :D :D |
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| Mcrow | Nov 19 2008, 07:48 AM Post #11 |
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Wrestling Goon
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To us, people who watch a lot of MMA. A lot of casual fans that I know think it's a direct translation. |
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| deedsnotwords | Dec 3 2008, 02:07 PM Post #12 |
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Fanatic
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Interesting quote of Dan Henderson. When I see him fight. I think his wrestling is basically what wins him matches and he needs to work more on his Jiu-Jitsu more for his ground game. I think to be good at anything it's no different than any sport. You can work your whole life doing Jiu-Jitsu and you could say it only took 8 months to learn everything else. There's not much of a difference. Although, competing in Wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu. I think it takes a little more effort to become good in Jiu-Jitsu over Wrestling. |
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| Icefish | Dec 3 2008, 03:50 PM Post #13 |
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With out getting personal and using names: One of the wrestling coaches at my sons DoJo wrestled for Augsburg was an all American and just recently placed high, maybe even won the Chicago cup in the Gee and No Gee division. He has been training Jiu jitsu for a relatively short period of time < two years I believe. He also fights MMA and claims to his students that there is excellent cross over both ways between wrestliing/ Jiu jitsu and Grappling. Just watching the training in the DoJo, I would have to agree with that statement. |
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| CropDuster | Dec 3 2008, 09:53 PM Post #14 |
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Completely off topic, and i appologize. but the word Dojo is pretty sweet. Someday, i'm gonna open a Dojo... and train like, ninjas and crap like that... In the art of Post-Jitsu (the art of posting on The G well) (Yes, I'm a blackbelt in the art of Post-Jitsu) Finished wasting your time now, haha. |
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| Icefish | Dec 4 2008, 01:45 PM Post #15 |
Super Fan
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CropDuster: One of the first lessons you should have learned along "the way" to achievement of Black belt is that of humility. If you were not humbled along the way to earning your Black belt, then you might want to rethink the relative worth of your degree, or the integrity of the Dojo you earned it at. By the way, I am only a white belt of post. Your post was not a waste of time, if any of us had something more important to take care of, we would be doing it. : ) |
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| deedsnotwords | Dec 4 2008, 02:34 PM Post #16 |
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I agree. When you goto a gym, for example, the minnesota martial arts academy. You really get a humbling experience once you learn how much it really takes to get to a black belt. I would say the average time for person to get from a white belt all the way to black belt saying you stayed fully commited put in extra time and went 3 times a week at least. I'd say it would take a person to become a black belt in brazilian jiu-jitsu 10-12 years at the minnesota martial arts academy. Just to move up from white belt to blue belt there takes 1-2 years on average if you stay commited. |
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| CropDuster | Dec 5 2008, 08:26 PM Post #17 |
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DNW, 100 posts is about equal to years... so i got like 600? 6 years=? I wish i was a BlackBelt... You know some people can really tell they have skills, but some BJJ Blacks aren't as good as some purples depending on the gym. Its weird, but true, no? |
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| CBT | Dec 6 2008, 08:20 PM Post #18 |
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Seriously, one of the funniest things I have read on the forum in the last several months I think I broke a rib laughing. Although, I'm curious about Schrupps opinion on the childbirthing matter? |
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| Sharkey | Dec 7 2008, 10:22 AM Post #19 |
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Fantastic
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Thanks, I need some encouragement sometimes. Especially after a few of the jokes bomb. There isn't much humor feedback on a forum like this. |
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| XHockeyDad | Dec 7 2008, 11:27 AM Post #20 |
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Fantastic
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Sharkey, your hilarity(sp) and awesome jokes are appreciated by all members of the MMA love convenant. :D ..keep up the good work. B) |
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