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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 19 2008, 12:34 PM (1,997 Views) | |
| Big Bird | Nov 19 2008, 12:34 PM Post #1 |
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Here's an artice from sherdog http://sherdog.com/news/articles/fedor-and...et-lesnar-15219 I know it's highly unlikely to happen, but we can hope. Dana needs to step up and put it together. I had heard a few months ago that UFC and Affliction were thinking of negotiating a buyout in which the UFC would get to absorb some Affliction contracts in exchange for promoting the Affliction clothing line again. Any truth to this? |
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| Sharkey | Nov 19 2008, 12:55 PM Post #2 |
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I think that for Brock's sake we should hope negotiations take about two years. I don't think Brock is in that league yet. |
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| XHockeyDad | Nov 19 2008, 03:36 PM Post #3 |
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Sorry Big Bird...didn't mean to steal your thunder...I didn't see you started this topic. I agree...Brock needs to wait...but the UFC will might take advantage of his stock value and feed him to Fedor right away...I truly can't see Brock getting by Nog..so they might set this up prior to Brock vs Nog. |
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| Big Bird | Nov 19 2008, 03:40 PM Post #4 |
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Haha, no big deal. I also think Nog, will take out Mir and Brock, so we won't have to worry about this matchup for a while. Lets say brock does beat Nog/Mir though. How realistic is it that Dana gets this fight going? The Couture vs Fedor fight never materialized after many months of talk. What would make this any different? |
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| CropDuster | Nov 19 2008, 05:54 PM Post #5 |
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This is only talk... unless Dana gets to call the shots and 100% of the money, he will potty-mouth his way through interviews saying they didn't cooperate... Brock won't get past Nog... But on the one of 1000000 he does... This HAS to happen... oh, and hello big bird... haven't seen you on this forum yet, so welcome haha! I like to be welcoming... :D |
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| LORDoftheRING | Nov 19 2008, 10:48 PM Post #6 |
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Big Bird.... as of just over 2 months ago I would have said "No Way". But with everything going on recently nobody seems to know what is actually going t happen. UFC 91 is clear evidence of that! Randy Coutur was trying very hard to get away from UFC and get Affliction going in another direction. I have a contact who is a Mgr. for "The Buckle and who sat in on several meetings with Couture about this brand and next set of fights. Couture very personable and polite. But it looks like UFC 91 was really about money. Both of these guys are 2 of my heavy weight fav's (my idol and my next big thing). So I apologize for not beng able to answer the question and will quit my rammbling. |
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| XHockeyDad | Nov 20 2008, 08:15 AM Post #7 |
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Ramble on LOTR...that's how we roll around here...loud and proud!! :D |
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| Big Bird | Nov 20 2008, 09:58 AM Post #8 |
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Haha. I hadn't been on the guillotine for a while and when I came back they had a MMA forum which is awesome. I love this stuff. |
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| cwillaert | Nov 20 2008, 10:06 AM Post #9 |
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I read an article yesterday somewhere on Yahoo (can't find it now) regarding the potential of this fight. The writer (no clue on how much of an authority he really is) said that there were many, many talks between Fedors agent and the UFC and that the UFC was offering more money than anybody else but Fedor still turned them down...basically said the only reason Fedor wasn't in the UFC is that he doesn't want to be in the UFC. |
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| deedsnotwords | Nov 20 2008, 11:07 AM Post #10 |
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I don't even care where it takes place. I just want to see Brock and Fedor fight. |
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| CropDuster | Nov 20 2008, 06:45 PM Post #11 |
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1. This fight absolutely cannot happen right now, and benifit Brock at all. He would get smashed by Fedor. 2. I highly doubt any way, shape, or form that this will be "co-promoted". 3. Yahoo writers aren't always spreading intelligence on MMA, but hey, who am i to judge? 4. LOTR, thank god i'm not the only one who rambles on here... atleast your's is meaningful! 5. BBird, its nice to have another one aboard and enthused. |
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| XHockeyDad | Nov 20 2008, 07:53 PM Post #12 |
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I think Nog will get a shot at Brock first....It would be good if Nog went against Randy next and then maybe Brock would get Kongo next...that would be a good fight for Brock. |
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| deedsnotwords | Nov 20 2008, 10:59 PM Post #13 |
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I would think Fedor would wait a few years and see how Brock Lesnar progresses. Brock Lesnar is a great fighter, but in my opinion he isn't the best fighter in terms of mma skill. If Couture and Lesnar were the same weight. I don't believe Brock would have had a chance. Fedor could handle his power and if Brock faces someone that he can't overpower then I just don't see him winning as many fights as of this moment. So I think Fedor will wait, because if Brock Lesnar does improve his mma game a lot. He will definitely contend with Fedor. |
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| Sharkey | Nov 21 2008, 07:39 AM Post #14 |
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I know that personally, I'm in no hurry to see Lesnar-Fedor. In about two years it would be an incredible mega war and the biggest mainstream media event in MMA history. Right now, though, Fedor would just make Brock look silly. As for last Saturday's fight, I disagree with the idea floating around that Lesnar simply over-powered and out-weighed a more talented Couture. I know that you can't just pretend they were the same size, but in the fight I saw Lesnar looked pretty good. His ground skills were stronger than Couture, he took a solid punch to the chin, his stand-up involved kicks and good positioning. Heck, it was the kick to the body that eventually brought down Couture, it wasn't just a grazing blow to the top of the head. Nogueira will be a great challenge for Lesnar. The guy is really good at jiu-jitsu. If Lesnar can concentrate, have patience, and avoid a submission against Nogueira then he's arrived. |
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| PostMortal | Nov 21 2008, 09:50 AM Post #15 |
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I'm in the same boat. When/if Lesnar gets past Mir/Big Nog and his first challenge after that (hopefully Gonzaga), then I'll start dreaming about a Lesnar vs. Fedor fight. For now, Brock needs to keep winning. Also, there's no sense for the UFC to throw that kind of fight at Brock. The UFC doesn't want this guy to lose right now. He's a money-maker, so they're going to want him to keep winning. Not like the UFC is going to give him cans, but they won't be pushing hard for a Fedor matchup until Brock proves he's the UFC's No. 1 guy over a period of time. What's funny is that back in the day, Dana White loved MMA and fights in general. So he'd do what he could to make the best fights happen, regardless of where/how/what organization. Now, the only thing Dana White loves is money. And maybe himself. And definitely cursing. Because he's Dana "F'ing" White! |
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| deedsnotwords | Nov 21 2008, 09:54 AM Post #16 |
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I loved the UFC before. No weight classes lol That's just nuts. Just tournaments. |
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| noad0201 | Nov 21 2008, 11:48 AM Post #17 |
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Right on, the last thing UFC wants right now is for Lesnar to lose to anyone, especially a "legit" superstar that's been around for awhile. If he lost to a lesser known they could write it off as a bad night or something, but if he loses to a star, people will say he just isn't good enough. Right now Lesnar needs another "tune-up"fight that will give him a little more experience before facing Mir or Nog. The Fedor fight would be the biggest event in MMA history, and none of the promoters would want it to happen untill they are convinced it would be a close battle. |
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| XHockeyDad | Nov 21 2008, 12:45 PM Post #18 |
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...unfortunately, when you are the champion, you fight the top ranked guy...I hope he gets Kongo and Nog and Couture end up fighting...maybe on the same card? |
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| Mcrow | Nov 21 2008, 01:03 PM Post #19 |
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I don't think Nog is as far ahead of Brock as some make it sound. He has no fought anyone like Brock. He did fight Bob Sapp, but he's not a legit MMA fighter, IMO. The only fighter that he's faced that had a significant size advantage was Sylvia and he isn't built like Brock. Nog is the favorite,IMO, but Brock punches with power and can physically dominat Nog. Now, whether or not Brock can take Nog out before he gets gassed is a whole other issue. |
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| PostMortal | Nov 21 2008, 02:11 PM Post #20 |
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Is Nog the favorite? I think it will be another pick 'em fight, and actually Brock might be favored slightly. I think it's fair to call that an even fight. Whether Brock needs a tune-up or not doesn't matter ... his next fight will be against the winner between Mir and Nog, that's been predetermined. I'll be interested to see who comes after that fight for Brock, assuming he wins. Not sure if they'll give him Gonzaga right away or if they'll give him someone else. of course, the way MMA works, that fight might be a year away! |
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| bob | Nov 21 2008, 02:18 PM Post #21 |
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Ya he looked pretty gassed during the Couture fight. I was surprised because they didn't do a whole lot. He is going to need to fix that in order to keep winning. |
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| Sharkey | Nov 21 2008, 02:50 PM Post #22 |
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I think it's a very even fight. Lesnar is probably the favorite, however, it's a tough match-up for Lesnar. Nogueira can hit a submission anytime, anywhere from any position. Not getting submitted by Nogueira takes total concentration. That will be Lesnar's challenge. I think he's up for it, but it will be a challenge. |
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| XHockeyDad | Nov 21 2008, 03:36 PM Post #23 |
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Nog is a Abu Dabi place winner...he has fought the best athletes in the world, including Fedor...He has been fighting his entire life...Brock has been doing it for two years....I think, Nog might have the advantage. <_< |
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| CropDuster | Nov 21 2008, 06:21 PM Post #24 |
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Nog via vicious heel hook on Brock's XXXXXXX...L Leg/Ankle/Foot. Actually no... I wish though... I thought Brock looked a little gassed, and that is Nog's forte, he waits out the storm, and pwns the nukka on the ground (see Herring). Now, is Herring the same thing as Brock, not really... but the same gameplan can come. I know Mir sort of got his life saved with that behind the head shot call, but he still subbed Brock... Brock has hopefully gotten better on the ground, but you just cant learn to be as great on the canvas like Nog in 2 years. Ask my teammate... the kid and i had a grappling match because he caught me with an overhand right to the chin out of nowhere because he thought i slapped him real hard on the behind... which i did, and it was funny... but anyway, i gave him the takedown, and my back, because i was sort of pushed into this match/fight sort of deal... but i reversed after holding off his RNC, and sat on his back for maybe a minute before makin dat nukka TAPOUT. It still didn't help me feel good after taking that chin shot though... <_< Enough stupid stories from me haha. |
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| PostMortal | Nov 21 2008, 07:58 PM Post #25 |
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See you're already training Duster. You'll be in the cage before you know it. Well, as for Brock vs. Nog ... let's wait and see if it happens first. Nog has to beat Mir before that will even happen. I'm just saying in Vegas, I bet the odds are very even. I think it's fair to call it a pick-em, no matter how long Nog has been training or what place he got at "Abu Dabi." Brock is a beast, and he already was a world-class athlete before he ever stepped in the cage. |
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| CropDuster | Nov 22 2008, 07:00 AM Post #26 |
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Not on purpose haha! BP, saw that sweet article on Tom in the PB, nice job! I'll get in the cage when you get in and stand across it. B) Also, don't even give into this doubt about Mir having a shot at winning. Nog is sort of like religion in the fact that if we all have a sense of belief, it will happen. GO NOG! |
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| deedsnotwords | Nov 22 2008, 12:28 PM Post #27 |
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Brock Lesnar would have a super tough time with Noguiera. Noguiera has only lost by decision, and he's faced some pretty tough guys. If Brock goes the distance with Noguiera. I would think Noguiera would have a better chance condition wise. |
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| CropDuster | Nov 22 2008, 05:29 PM Post #28 |
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Nog vs. Brock will be a stylistic clash for the year when it comes around... I'm hoping its on the same card as Penn-GSP... If Brock doesn't KTFO Nog in the opening rounds, then Nog will make him TAP OR SNAP! |
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| well informed | Nov 23 2008, 01:48 PM Post #29 |
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I am always amazed at how people think that Brock will lose fights if the goes the distance because of conditioning. He never had that issue when wrestling and I don't think he has it now. He is not like the typical muscle bound fighters/wrestlers who tire out easily. I really don't see him gassing with Marty Morgan as his trainer, Marty is a genius when it comes to training and peaking individuals. |
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| Sharkey | Nov 23 2008, 04:02 PM Post #30 |
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I agree. Joe Rogan made several comments about Lesnar looking gassed at the end of the first round, but I thought he was just holding on and waiting out a round he'd won. Rogan also said muscle bound fighters struggle with conditioning, but I didn't see any evidence of that. I think Rogan's comments have created the myth that Lesnar was lucky to get the knockout when he did. |
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