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who wins
Machida 9 (56.3%)
Silva 7 (43.8%)
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Silva vs Machida; who is going to win?
Topic Started: Jan 27 2009, 06:06 PM (1,699 Views)
Tbowling
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sorry messed first thread up
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D.O'Neill
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Pointless fight, but the 205 pound weightclass is so stacked they can't really help it. Machida wins this one easily. I'm up for betting if anyone s down.
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Machida looks an adult destin mccauley
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Tbowling
Jan 27 2009, 06:44 PM
Machida looks an adult destin mccauley

If Destin were Brazillian... :D

Just think if he was thouhg, and just pwned at fighting.. crazy...
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A better bet would be the fight ending in anything other than a decision ...
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....that is the bet....we ALL know that Machida is going to win by boring decision...CD is saying he will END the fight.
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I could see Machida finishing this fight.
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i think there is a better chance of gsp vs penn ending in a decision than Machida vs Silva
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D.O'Neill
Jan 28 2009, 11:21 AM
I could see Machida finishing this fight.

Yes...they call that dreaming. :D
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I can't see Machida finishing any fight.


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Hey all you haters, I like this guy because he is an excellent fighter and just look at his list of competition tells you he has fought the tougher guys.

You really have to ask yourself how many finishes he would have had he fought Silvas competition.

So what, would be impressed with that. Or don't you think he could finish them.

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Machida's elusiveness bores me to death. <_< ...him throwing more than 5 punches a round would be something "really" special. :lol:
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Jan 27 2009, 06:22 PM
Pointless fight, but the 205 pound weightclass is so stacked they can't really help it. Machida wins this one easily. I'm up for betting if anyone s down.

Why is pointless? Both are undefeated and both are moving towards a possible title shot. . Machida more so then Silva. Silva is in some top 10s Machida is already there both like to stand. I don't get your point, just because you think Machida wins easily. He definitely is the favored and I would bet on Machida, but surely you have seen enough MMA to know anything can happen especially with strikers.

Who else should Machida fight? Everyone else has taken a loss, so this fight is a natural.

Jackson just had a fight, shogun also, Liddell, W. silva, Jardine ect have all lost. Who else would make more sense? Please do tell!

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Jan 28 2009, 12:25 PM
I can't see Machida finishing any fight.

Must be that endless story typing/reporting getting to your eyes ;) :lol:
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Jan 28 2009, 12:25 PM
I can't see Machida finishing any fight.

He almost finished Tito, He finished Sokodjou, and Silva isn't that much better than him.

Who makes more sense that Silva? Easy. Rashad Evans, but thats not realistic seeing a how he just fought. He doesn't need to a win to earn a title shot. They have to give him a fight because he's going to be waiting in line for a shot at the title because of the stacked division that 205 is. Its mismatch, and a big one.

I'll put $50 paypal on Machida if anyone wants to take it.
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Someone avbet him... I hate seeing Kimbo's mug on there :lol:
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I sure didn't say this fight doesn't make sense ... I just say I can't see him finishing this fight or any fight ever again.

And he almost finished Tito? I guess. But Tito was just as close to finishing him, if not closer? Don't your remember what happened at the end of the round???

And anyone who would bet against Machida in this fight is a fool. I would love to see him lose, just to see Duster squirm. But it's not going to happen. I wouldn't bet against Machida against anyone at 205 right now (other than Luiz Cane, but that's another story ... and I'd only bet on him because I'd be getting great odds). Though I wouldn't bet against Machida winning, I would bet against him finishing!

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Jan 28 2009, 08:09 PM
I sure didn't say this fight doesn't make sense ... I just say I can't see him finishing this fight or any fight ever again.

And he almost finished Tito? I guess. But Tito was just as close to finishing him, if not closer? Don't your remember what happened at the end of the round???

And anyone who would bet against Machida in this fight is a fool. I would love to see him lose, just to see Duster squirm. But it's not going to happen. I wouldn't bet against Machida against anyone at 205 right now (other than Luiz Cane, but that's another story ... and I'd only bet on him because I'd be getting great odds). Though I wouldn't bet against Machida winning, I would bet against him finishing!

I know, I was just quoting you then responding to a different post sorry for the confusion.


Why don't you like Kimbo? Becuase you hate everything he stands for?
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Jan 28 2009, 08:44 PM
Why don't you like Kimbo? Becuase you hate everything he stands for?

Yes. :angry:
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Why... He is your homeboy, I mean your sig clearly says it. But for real, do you hate all faithful husbands and loving fathers?
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I have nothing against Kimbo the man. He never did anything wrong. Other people built him up to be something he wasn't, it wasn't his fault. He did what any of us would have done if we were bad-azz streetfighters ... made all the money he could.
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Jan 29 2009, 11:29 AM
I have nothing against Kimbo the man. He never did anything wrong. Other people built him up to be something he wasn't, it wasn't his fault. He did what any of us would have done if we were bad-azz streetfighters ... made all the money he could.

Kimbo always was gracious, well spoken ect. He got a lot of heat for nothing he did.

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There are thousands of people who are more deserving of the fame and money he got...people who legitimately have fought in the smaller shows for mere pennies, who legitimately love the sport….I wonder how loyal he would be to MMA if he was fighting for 500 to show 500 to win….I am guessing he would still be working as a body guard for his porn buddies....or continue fighting over weight bouncers for the YOUTUBE generation. <_<
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Kimbo did not look so gracious in some of his back yard fights where I saw him beat some of his foes down who had no chance and did not even want to fight...
Some litteraly quit because they had been beatin so bad and kimbo did not care he kept on with the beating..

Have kimbo call fedor or lesnar up for a back yard fight and let him get dominated and says he quits and and have them keep imposing there will on him and see how he likes it.... prolly wouldnt thow.. he'd prolly have all the respect in the world for the top dogs.

Thats the only problem I have with kimbo.. It just bothered me in some of the backyard fights.

That style is what gives mma a bad name.. yea were men alright we like to see ass woopins but we also equally if not even more want to see the art/skill/power of the fighters... like a chess match .. the same reason we watch football. It's about taking two equally skilled fighters so that the people see a barn burner .. hopefully like the up and comming gsp penn fight.
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Jan 29 2009, 03:20 PM
There are thousands of people who are more deserving of the fame and money he got...people who legitimately have fought in the smaller shows for mere pennies, who legitimately love the sport….I wonder how loyal he would be to MMA if he was fighting for 500 to show 500 to win….I am guessing he would still be working as a body guard for his porn buddies....or continue fighting over weight bouncers for the YOUTUBE generation. <_<

You could be right, but i don't think he directly did anything to dis respect the sport.
He was just a well known street fighter who decided to try MMA and became a marketing dream. He cant be blamed. I don't see your point if he was working as a bouncer to supplement his income what would be the problem.

He had fights on the street for hundreds of dollars and still worked a 2nd job. What is the problem? My guess is Kimbo would love the sort too, he has been fighting his whole life. Plenty of the guys that fight at small shows put very limited time into training ect. It is not like these guys are all purest who deserve the world of respect and honor like they are lifers who have given everything to the sport.. Plenty of them were drinking right up to the week before the show I'm sure.
I have been to plenty small shows and half of them are completely drained after 5 mins. What more have these guys given then say Kimbo who trained his ass off too.

Listen I was never a Kimbo fan and pretty much thought he was junk from the start. Hell I actually thought he would be a little better then he was but I still thought he ws crap. But Kimbo himself did nothing he trained alot harder in his 12-24 months he was in MMA then most guys in small shows. They all have full time jobs most of them. Kimbo was a respectful guy for the most part just not very good.

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Jan 29 2009, 03:28 PM
Kimbo did not look so gracious in some of his back yard fights where I saw him beat some of his foes down who had no chance and did not even want to fight...
Some litteraly quit because they had been beatin so bad and kimbo did not care he kept on with the beating..

Have kimbo call fedor or lesnar up for a back yard fight and let him get dominated and says he quits and and have them keep imposing there will on him and see how he likes it.... prolly wouldnt thow.. he'd prolly have all the respect in the world for the top dogs.

Thats the only problem I have with kimbo.. It just bothered me in some of the backyard fights.

That style is what gives mma a bad name.. yea were men alright we like to see ass woopins but we also equally if not even more want to see the art/skill/power of the fighters... like a chess match .. the same reason we watch football. It's about taking two equally skilled fighters so that the people see a barn burner .. hopefully like the up and comming gsp penn fight.

They aren't called street fights for nothing, there is a difference.
He was a thug and hell maybe he wasn't a great person, But as far as his MMA
career he was always gracious and that was the point. Kimbo the person I don't know, Kimbo the fighter seemed like a respectful guy for the most part.

Ahh alot more so then say BJ Penn! Did Kimbo ever spank the ass of one of his opponents after he beat him down to humiliate them ala Couture. Did he every ride the horse like Lesnar did Vs Herring?

Funny how people pick and chose who they will be criticle of. Is Kimbo a model fighter, person ect, maybe not. But it is not like he just tried to screw the MMA community over. It was not his doing. He got paid cuz he could draw 10K people something most people cant do.


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his continued association with the PORN industry (RK Netmedia, better known as RealityKings, a Miami-based pornography production/promotion company responsible for a number of popular adult subscription websites) as well as the thugs he continues to surround him self with discredits the "faithful husbands and loving father" BS. Would you like for you kids to look up to Kimbo as a hero...as a role model?

I am guessing no.

Oh yeah, and those illegal street fights were not for hundreds of dollars, they were for thousands of dollars (5K and up to be exact) by his own admission.

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My points were based on Kimbo the fighter. People bitch about Kimbo and the fame and money he got for being a junk MMA fighter.

As far as him as a person, sounds alot like hundreds of other sports figures. I never said he was a great man, just that he was a respectfull MMA fighter and got what he could out of MMA no fault of his own. How can he be blamed?

Just because a guy fights for 500 bucks doesnt make him an MMA purest who I should respect and look up to. I just didnt see your point when you mentioned that.

What it comes down to:

How does he handle himself in the cage
How much does he commit to the sport

In the end they give all they can no different then the next guy trying to make it in there field. They get no more respect from me then someone else who wrks there tail off.

Kimbo was given a lot due to his fame, can you blame him? Would you the better man turn it down?

Should Kimbo the street thug say no I dont deserve it?

Kimbo is what he is, in the end he didnt extort money from anyone or dis respect the sport.

Role models are a whole different debate.

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Yes he did disrespect the sport by particpating in illegal street brawls for cash. It has taken the sport years to get sanctioned and recognized as a legitimate sport...Kimbo's past underground fights do nothing to promote those efforts.

Hopefully we have seen the last of Kimbo Slice and his nonsense....or wait maybe he is stupid enough to come back and lose ANY credibilty he has left...there is the lucky punch angle that can be taken.
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Jan 29 2009, 03:54 PM
Yes he did disrespect the sport by particpating in illegal street brawls for cash. It has taken the sport years to get sanctioned and recognized as a legitimate sport...Kimbo's past underground fights do nothing to promote those efforts.

Hopefully we have seen the last of Kimbo Slice and his nonsense....or wait maybe he is stupid enough to come back and lose ANY credibilty he has left...there is the lucky punch angle that can be taken.

How many fighters have been in illegal street fights?
So many of them talk about fighting in the streets all the time before MMA.

Is fighting in the streets that has nothing to do with MMA more dis respectful to MMA then licking the blood off one of your apponents face after you beat them down or spanking the ass of a guy to play to the crowd after you dominate them, or doing what Lesnar did in his fight Vs Herring. Or holding a choke long after the ref asks them to release and the guy taps.

these are far more dis respectful to MMA then a street fight, because guess what a street fight has nothing to do with MMA, absolutely nothing. And anyone who thinks so has no clue. A street fight is far far away from a MMA match and actually cant be confused by anyone with common sense.

Should he he had said I will pass on MMA and a better life I dont deserve MMA because I was in street fights.

For the record I never once voted for Kimbo to win any of his MMA matches not one. I actually wanted him to get beat every time. I just dont think your argument holds any water what so ever. I can see you not liking the guy for all of these reasons, but surely you have seen more dis respectful things in MMA then a guy light years removed from MMA when he was in street fights. It is not like he was still doing while he was in MMA.

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