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| Lesnar vs Carwin; ? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 8 2010, 10:25 AM (4,142 Views) | |
| Jackal | Jun 8 2010, 10:25 AM Post #1 |
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Is Lesnar back to full strength? Pretty quiet lately. Carwin will be a big load after so much time off. Should be a war hopimg Brock is ready toughest test so far imo. |
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| Sharkey | Jun 8 2010, 11:11 AM Post #2 |
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http://www.camelclutchblog.com/ufc-116-trailer/ With the small gloves UFC heavyweights wear, I consider almost any fight a 50-50 proposition. Lesnar reminds me a little of Mike Tyson. As long as everyone is afraid of him, he's going to dominate, but as soon as a Buster Douglas shows up... Hopefully I'm wrong. |
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| Jackal | Jun 8 2010, 10:07 PM Post #3 |
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July 3rd is not far off. Figured Lesnar to win originally but after the illness its a toss up should be a great one! |
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| Rushpile | Jun 9 2010, 01:27 AM Post #4 |
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I see Lesnar taking him down and pounding on him for a couple of rounds. His wrestling and strength is too much for Carwin. Though, it may be tough for him if Carwin can stuff a couple of shots |
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| XHockeyDad | Jun 9 2010, 03:43 PM Post #5 |
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I don't think Brock's chin has ever been tested...I believe that Carwin can and will test his chin....if Brock fails the test, Carwin wins. Brock needs to get the fight to the ground, but I truly think he will have his work cut out for him, with Carwin being the first "truly" good wrestler he has ever faced...and Carwin has already proved that he has a chin made of granite. Should be a great fight. Edited by XHockeyDad, Jun 9 2010, 03:44 PM.
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| aguywithaname | Jun 9 2010, 07:31 PM Post #6 |
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My gut is telling me Brock, but my instinct is telling me Carwin :P |
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| WrestleMe | Jun 10 2010, 10:09 AM Post #7 |
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This fight makes me nervous. On a side note, Randy C wasn't a "truly good wrestler" ? |
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| CropDuster | Jun 10 2010, 11:29 AM Post #8 |
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I'm sort of in the same boat... I mean, every MN bone in my body says Lesnar, but if anyone beats him, its Carwin. Gametime-Decision. ;) |
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| aguywithaname | Jun 10 2010, 01:42 PM Post #9 |
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Psh. Olympic reserve's got nothing on a 2x D-II runner-up. |
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| Mcrow | Jun 10 2010, 04:32 PM Post #10 |
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I think this will be the biggest test for him by far. Even before his illness just for the fact that Carwin is close to the same size (slightly smaller) and is also a very good wrestler. I think Lesnar pulls it out but Carwin has the biggest hammer in the UFC, IMO, so he's always a threat. |
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| Jackal | Jun 10 2010, 07:29 PM Post #11 |
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He will be tested no doubt Carwin throws major bombs alot. Hope B rock can take it to the mat and wear him out finish with ground and smash like he did to good old frank mir. |
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| JohnnyD | Jun 11 2010, 09:38 AM Post #12 |
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This fight wont be that close.....Brock will be much more explosive/athletic, and you will see a big difference in their wrestling abilities..... He will take him down if he really wants to, and he will control him, beat him up with dirty boxing.....fight ends in the 2nd round with brock on top feeding Carwin the leather... |
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| Jackal | Jun 11 2010, 10:38 AM Post #13 |
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Sounds good to me. Just has to avoid eating a haymaker on the button. |
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| XHockeyDad | Jun 11 2010, 02:42 PM Post #14 |
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Er....Randy is almost 50 years old. :blink: ...perhaps, 20 years ago, his wrestling skills were relevant, but not so much today. :blink: Henderson "WAS" an Olympian wasn't he...how did his awesome wrestling pedigree work for him against that turd Shields....not so well if my memory serves me correctly... and, I flat out guarentee that Carwin would absolutely destroy Couture...Olympic reserve or not. Edited by XHockeyDad, Jun 11 2010, 02:43 PM.
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| Jackal | Jun 11 2010, 10:09 PM Post #15 |
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Cain V looked tough against a fading Nog. He and Carwin would be a good one. |
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| raw_eggs | Jun 11 2010, 11:26 PM Post #16 |
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Id like to see Cain and Mir personally. |
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| CropDuster | Jun 12 2010, 06:36 PM Post #17 |
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Hope he doesn't blow it. i just noticed this, and im sorry for the terrible humor. :blink: :X |
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| Jackal | Jun 14 2010, 11:11 AM Post #18 |
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Should be a barn burner anything can happen with these two monsters in the cage! |
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| Rushpile | Jun 14 2010, 03:50 PM Post #19 |
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Carwin was taken down by Gabriel Gonzaga. Enough about his wrestling. He also got rocked in that fight... I am sure that Brock can hit harder than Gonzaga |
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| Jackal | Jun 15 2010, 08:18 AM Post #20 |
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If Brock can take him down he will win going away. |
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| TheOriginal CK | Jun 15 2010, 10:33 AM Post #21 |
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I like Brock in this fight, Carwin is a tough guy but I don't think he has faced anyone quite like Brock and once you do, it is too late. I don't see Carwin picking up a sub because that is not his game. So... he will either have to try to keep it on the feet and trade bombs or wreslte for position. In either case, I feel that Brock will force the latter to occur. Brock will prove to be the better wrestler and be able to control the ground game. Final outcome, Brock by TKO or submission due to strikes as a result of relentless ground and pound - 2nd or 3rd round. |
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| XHockeyDad | Jun 16 2010, 03:12 PM Post #22 |
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Jake Shields tookl down Henderson almost 10 times in their match....Does that make Henderson a poor wrestler? MMA makes EVERYONE's take down defense a little different....Rushpile, you should know this first hand. I can't recall the take down you are speaking about in the Gonzaga match, but it probably occured after Carwin swallowed several strikes. This is what is so misleading about Carwin....he has an awkward stance...he typically takes a beating at least at some pont during his fights...this triggers off confidence in his opponents. His punches don't look like much, but my friend went down to Iowa to train with the Milletich(sp) camp for a week prior to his figtht with MIR....He said that NO ONE wanted to spar with him; his punches pack that much power. My friend went 3 5 minute rounds (light sparring) with him and he said the had never felt that kind of power....and he has worked out with the best. I have only seen Brock's chin tested once...and it was with a knee that Mir through early in the second round of their last beat down (good times). I am pulling for Brock; but this will be a true test for him. |
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| Rushpile | Jun 16 2010, 04:14 PM Post #23 |
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Yes, it was after Gonzaga rocked him but he was still taken down. Brock does train with Tuchscherer and Cole Konrad. I think he has a huge advantage in the wrestling. and let's face it. I am 100% biased. Edited by Rushpile, Jun 16 2010, 04:15 PM.
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| JohnnyD | Jul 1 2010, 01:24 PM Post #24 |
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Im reading a lot of so called experts who are picking Carwin. Sayin his wrestling will nuteralize Brock's and then his punching power will be to much for Brock's untested chin. Meltzer from Yahoo said "Comparing strictly on wrestling, a Division II national champion can beat a Division I champion." Im not sure where these people get thier information but let me interject, if I may, on behalf of my man. First, if this were a wrestling match, Im taking Brock by major decision easy, if not a fall or tech fall. Im very confident then if Brocks wants to take Carwin down, he can, and he will. Second, an untested chin, does not mean a weak chin. In fact if your banking on the chance that Brock has a weak chin, you might want to think of a new game plan because I'd say theres a strong chance thats not true. Something tells me if you poke the bear, you'll just piss him off. Neck muscle and conditiong is a big part of having a good chin. Think Brock has strong neck muscles? Think Marty has him conditioning like a mad man? Yeah I think so.... Carwin has never been past the first round. Punching power is the first thing to go once you start using your muscles to grapple. His ONLY chance is to catch him with a punch early.....otherwise, Brock by brutalization.... take it to the bank |
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| eclan | Jul 1 2010, 05:21 PM Post #25 |
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Tervel Dlagnev beat the heck out of a top D1 heavyweight a few years ago in the NCWA all-star match, and has consistently been beating elite D1 heavyweights in freestyle events, including Steve Mocco. I think that is enough information to suggest a D2 Champion can beat a D1 champion in wrestling. First you say that an untested chin doesn't exactly mean a weak chin in reference to Brock, but then you go on to insinuate that Carwin's conditioning is poor because he has never been past the first round. Pretty sound logic there.. I am also surprised that anyone wants Brock to win, as it seems like every MN homer on this site does. Every single time he gets the opportunity to run his mouth he appears to be an arrogant jacka$$. I don't care if you grew up next door to me, fame and fortune doesn't give you the right to promote being a dbag. Carwin is a great guy, and I have spoken to friends of his that say he is the same person as he was before he became famous from the UFC. Personally, I hope he wins, but as is the case with just about all elite level athletics, predictions are useless. |
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| Rushpile | Jul 1 2010, 07:11 PM Post #26 |
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First of all, good for you. Second, it's nice to know he was boring before he became famous..to UFC fans. |
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| eclan | Jul 1 2010, 08:27 PM Post #27 |
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I wasn't trying to brag or anything, I was rather just trying to add some credibility behind something I said. I just think it speaks volumes about a person who is still a likable and down to earth even after they become famous. Would you prefer him to smash talk and disrespect every opponent? Or maybe he should join the sex addict trend like Tiger Woods, perhaps assault a women or two like Roethlisberger? But boring? Surely he hasn't bored you in any of his fights.. What does it take to become appealing to UFC fans? Arrogance is almost necessary in an individual sport like MMA, but it doesn't need to be as flamboyant as Brock's. |
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| XHockeyDad | Jul 1 2010, 09:51 PM Post #28 |
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I have no problem with the bragging, I rather enjoy it...The sport needs a heel...and Brock embraces the role... my problem is with Brock's untested chin. Strong neck muscles have absolutely nothing with ones ability to rebound from being tapped on the chin. The major unknown factor in this fight is Brock's ability to take a shot...to take major damage and come back...Carwin, on the other hand, always seems to be losing, just prior to him throwing and landing the lunch boxes... Hate to be a homer....but I am....I will be cheering for Brock...but this just isn't the ideal match up for him. |
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| CropDuster | Jul 2 2010, 08:41 AM Post #29 |
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This drove me crazy, and i couldn't agree more. On the mental side of things... I think an inner-arrogance is good for all combat sports. However, when you let it out too much, you look ridiculous. Confidence overboard, can lead to a belief that you're cocky or arrogant. Its all subjective to the other party. |
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| D.O'Neill | Jul 2 2010, 10:12 AM Post #30 |
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Rebound maybe not... but strong neck muscles do infact have alot to do with the damage someone can withstand without being knocked out or "rocked" |
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