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UFC 121 “Lesnar vs. Velasquez”; Shaping up nicely.
Topic Started: Aug 18 2010, 09:07 AM (3,550 Views)
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Oct 26 2010, 11:18 AM
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Oct 26 2010, 08:55 AM
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Oct 23 2010, 03:14 PM
Cain never took on carwin right? How did that not happen?
Carwin got nailed for taking roids...probably won't see him for a while.
I believe that was a while ago and he didn't get suspended for it? He was scheduled to face Big Country at ufc 125 but just pulled out due to back injury.
Let's just see "Big Country" and Cain lock horns ... talk about conflicting styles.

I think it would be a pretty good fight, BC has a big time chin.

thoughts?
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Oct 26 2010, 02:56 PM
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Oct 23 2010, 03:14 PM
Cain never took on carwin right? How did that not happen?
Carwin got nailed for taking roids...probably won't see him for a while.
I believe that was a while ago and he didn't get suspended for it? He was scheduled to face Big Country at ufc 125 but just pulled out due to back injury.
Let's just see "Big Country" and Cain lock horns ... talk about conflicting styles.

I think it would be a pretty good fight, BC has a big time chin.

thoughts?
Cain would kill him. So does Lesnar get Mir? or Big Country?
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Brock will take some time off. He said he didn't even really want this fight when Dana called him about it. I bet Brock doesn't until mid next year.
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Oct 26 2010, 02:56 PM
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Oct 26 2010, 11:18 AM
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Oct 26 2010, 08:55 AM
Jackal
Oct 23 2010, 03:14 PM
Cain never took on carwin right? How did that not happen?
Carwin got nailed for taking roids...probably won't see him for a while.
I believe that was a while ago and he didn't get suspended for it? He was scheduled to face Big Country at ufc 125 but just pulled out due to back injury.
Let's just see "Big Country" and Cain lock horns ... talk about conflicting styles.

I think it would be a pretty good fight, BC has a big time chin.

thoughts?
Yes BC can take a punch like a champ...Perhaps Cain will punch him self out by the 5th round...Kinda reminds me of a Simpson episode where Homer beats Tyson for the HW championship of the world. ^o)
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Oct 26 2010, 11:18 AM
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Oct 26 2010, 08:55 AM
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Oct 23 2010, 03:14 PM
Cain never took on carwin right? How did that not happen?
Carwin got nailed for taking roids...probably won't see him for a while.
I believe that was a while ago and he didn't get suspended for it? He was scheduled to face Big Country at ufc 125 but just pulled out due to back injury.
Let's just see "Big Country" and Cain lock horns ... talk about conflicting styles.

I think it would be a pretty good fight, BC has a big time chin.

thoughts?
Yes BC can take a punch like a champ...Perhaps Cain will punch him self out by the 5th round...Kinda reminds me of a Simpson episode where Homer beats Tyson for the HW championship of the world. ^o)
Keep on underestimating BC ... I think that is the way he likes it. No one has picked him to win anything but yet he keeps finding a way to win. He has enough power to put Cain in a dream state with 1 shot.
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I have no clue who Brock will be fighting next. That being said, Brock's loss does put the UFC in a nice promotional situation. Now, both Cain and Brock are capable of headlining a major UFC event. When Brock fights again, I suspect it will be against a fairly big name headlining a pay-per-view.. As crazy as it may sound, I wouldn't be surprised if the UFC tries to "rehabilitate" Minotauro with a couple wins and then matches him up with Brock.




Even crazier, Emelianenko may be back in the picture. I really doubt it, but it does make sense because Fedor can't demand a whole lot of money at this point, Dana doesn't have to worry about him winning the belt and then not fighting UFC again and finally Fedor must understand that his money-making career is over unless he gets a massive win over, say, a guy like Brock.

It is a win-win for both sides, well all three sides, Brock, Fedor and the UFC. Sign Fedor to a one fight contract. If he loses, the UFC can forget about him forever and if Fedor wins he'll probably be eager to sign a contract agreeable to the UFC. Yes, I know it won't happen. :)
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Brock is overrated. Cain is the total package for a UFC heavyweight. I personally think he is the best MMA heavyweight out there and P4P he is in the top 3 behind GSP and Frankie Edgar (I will not include silva top 3 any longer after his last couple matches). Shields is easly going to be a top 2 contender once he gets use to the weight class, I dont think he will beat GSP but I think he can beat anyone else in the weight class. You cannot even consider Volkman near the top 10, he is boring to watch. I think Junior Dos Santos would beat brock as well. That is going to be a far better match up than Brock and Cain was. I am really impressed with Matt Hamill, after that beating on Tito he deserves a top 5 opponent.
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I agree that Dos Santos would probably beat up on Brock...but there is no one else currently in the UFC that would.

I have one word that describes my feeling about Jake Shields..."Overrated"...I hope enjoyed his moment in the sun by beating Henderson....I will absolutely guarentee you that it would "never" happen again...him making excuses for his lack of cardio just makes me sick to my stomach...I hope he gets a shot at GSP...it will redefine the term @$$ Whoopin.
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Oct 28 2010, 09:54 AM
I agree that Dos Santos would probably beat up on Brock...but there is no one else currently in the UFC that would.

I have one word that describes my feeling about Jake Shields..."Overrated"...I hope enjoyed his moment in the sun by beating Henderson....I will absolutely guarentee you that it would "never" happen again...him making excuses for his lack of cardio just makes me sick to my stomach...I hope he gets a shot at GSP...it will redefine the term @$$ Whoopin.
I disagree with you. And in the postfight interview I saw he didnt make any excuses he straight up said I won't give any excuses but I think I know what needs fixing. And go watch him wrestle Ben Askren on Flo.

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I agree that Dos Santos would probably beat up on Brock...but there is no one else currently in the UFC that would.

I have one word that describes my feeling about Jake Shields..."Overrated"...I hope enjoyed his moment in the sun by beating Henderson....I will absolutely guarentee you that it would "never" happen again...him making excuses for his lack of cardio just makes me sick to my stomach...I hope he gets a shot at GSP...it will redefine the term @$$ Whoopin.
I disagree with you. And in the postfight interview I saw he didnt make any excuses he straight up said I won't give any excuses but I think I know what needs fixing. And go watch him wrestle Ben Askren on Flo.

I am not speaking to his wrestling....I am sure he had a wonderful match against Askren...

Actually, the interview I saw had him clearly state that his poor performace was due to the "drastic" weight cut he had to make the last day....like no one else was cutting weight...like no one else had injuries or wasn't feeling 100%....Dana also said that Shields had no one to blame but him self for his weight cut...if you decide to step in the cage, take your lumps like a man, and give the opponent full credit for his victory...I am sure Kampmann had injuries he was nursing as well.

...and also.

Did you see Shields looking up at the monitor in between round to see if his "pretty' face still looked okay...Rich Franklin pulls the same nonsense as well...maybe they can setup Shields to fight Anderson Silva, then he would have a reason to look up at the monitor. I think his nose would look much better if it was two more inches over to the right. ^o)
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Oct 27 2010, 02:52 PM
Brock is overrated. Cain is the total package for a UFC heavyweight. I personally think he is the best MMA heavyweight out there and P4P he is in the top 3 behind GSP and Frankie Edgar (I will not include silva top 3 any longer after his last couple matches). Shields is easly going to be a top 2 contender once he gets use to the weight class, I dont think he will beat GSP but I think he can beat anyone else in the weight class. You cannot even consider Volkman near the top 10, he is boring to watch. I think Junior Dos Santos would beat brock as well. That is going to be a far better match up than Brock and Cain was. I am really impressed with Matt Hamill, after that beating on Tito he deserves a top 5 opponent.
Honestly, all this "Brock is overrated" talk is pissing me off lately.
Seems like anyone I've talked to has said that, and that is crap. The guy drops ONE FIGHT to a viable style-mixup, serious contender, and everyone jumps off his boat. So the guy needs to work on his boxing and stand up, big deal! Koscheck needed to, and he's now in line for a title shot, no?
The guy is gonna come back. He has the determination/heart it takes to do it big, he just has technique things he needs to work on.
I, for one, am cheering next to the mast on Brock's ship.

These n00bs with their armchair-quarterback $#!T talking about Brock bug the crap out of me. ^o)

This wasnt a shot at you, youknowme, it's been many a-more, you just kinda rekindled that fire. Nothing personal, bro.
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Brock still needs some work. hes not overrated but he still has alot of room for improvement. This loss might be good for him, he might just dig a little deeper in this next training camp. who knows, hes probably gonna step up his training partners.
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Oct 28 2010, 05:15 PM
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Brock is overrated. Cain is the total package for a UFC heavyweight. I personally think he is the best MMA heavyweight out there and P4P he is in the top 3 behind GSP and Frankie Edgar (I will not include silva top 3 any longer after his last couple matches). Shields is easly going to be a top 2 contender once he gets use to the weight class, I dont think he will beat GSP but I think he can beat anyone else in the weight class. You cannot even consider Volkman near the top 10, he is boring to watch. I think Junior Dos Santos would beat brock as well. That is going to be a far better match up than Brock and Cain was. I am really impressed with Matt Hamill, after that beating on Tito he deserves a top 5 opponent.
Honestly, all this "Brock is overrated" talk is pissing me off lately.
Seems like anyone I've talked to has said that, and that is crap. The guy drops ONE FIGHT to a viable style-mixup, serious contender, and everyone jumps off his boat. So the guy needs to work on his boxing and stand up, big deal! Koscheck needed to, and he's now in line for a title shot, no?
The guy is gonna come back. He has the determination/heart it takes to do it big, he just has technique things he needs to work on.
I, for one, am cheering next to the mast on Brock's ship.

These n00bs with their armchair-quarterback $#!T talking about Brock bug the crap out of me. ^o)

This wasnt a shot at you, youknowme, it's been many a-more, you just kinda rekindled that fire. Nothing personal, bro.
CropDuster I agree with you, Brock got beat convincingly in this fight, now doubt about that, however, he faced an extremely dangerous opponent who posed a big time style problem for him. I really think along the same lines as an earlier poster - that brok really needs to take some extnsive time and dedicate it to his standup, footwork, striking and standup defense. with that in place, he can still go with anyone in the division. If he doesn't make the necessary adjustments, he will never beat Cain.

also - JDS is definitely a worthy opponent, I would like to see him and Cain go at it. I watched JDS completed destroy Big country last night on spike JDS is one tough SOB ... but can you believe the heart and chin on BC - he took a man sized beating and somehow went the distance. I really don't know how he kept standing though - unreal.

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Oct 28 2010, 06:20 PM
Brock still needs some work. hes not overrated but he still has alot of room for improvement. This loss might be good for him, he might just dig a little deeper in this next training camp. who knows, hes probably gonna step up his training partners.
Nice "first" post.
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Brock still needs some work. hes not overrated but he still has alot of room for improvement. This loss might be good for him, he might just dig a little deeper in this next training camp. who knows, hes probably gonna step up his training partners.
Nice "first" post.
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The taking a fall thing almost makes sense. He took Cain down right away and then let him up without trying to control at all. Lots of latino followers of Cain out there what did they say 90% at the event? Who knows but interesting thought anyway.
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The taking a fall thing almost makes sense. He took Cain down right away and then let him up without trying to control at all. Lots of latino followers of Cain out there what did they say 90% at the event? Who knows but interesting thought anyway.
The only reason to take a dive would be for the money.

I don't think lacking money is a problem Lesnar has.
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Brock still needs some work. hes not overrated but he still has alot of room for improvement. This loss might be good for him, he might just dig a little deeper in this next training camp. who knows, hes probably gonna step up his training partners.
Nice "first" post.
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ufc wec merging, def makes 155 more interesting. what do you think cropduster?
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Where is Brock? He needs to get to work and avenge his loss to CainV! He can do better.
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I personally think that the WEC UFC merger means little to 155, sure Pettis is an outstanding and explosive fighter but when it come to him fighting the winner of Edgar vs Maynard ( Maynard imo) I dont think he stands a chance, Frankie has too fast of hands, too good of head movement and great cardio which will help him not get suckered into a 'Showtime' kick like what happened to Henderson. Whereas Maynard is too big and too good on the mat with control to be triangled by Pettis. I think the 155 that would make the biggest splash in the UFC division is Bellator's Eddie Alvarez. He's big, quick and is very well rounded. Dont get me wrong I like Pettis, I think he puts on very exciting fights with astonishing moves and is a great guy but I see him being a Clay Guida type character in the UFC where he's ranked anywhere from 5-8 and sets other fighters up for title fights.
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