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Stalling; stalling vs. stalemate
Topic Started: Jan 21 2012, 07:15 PM (1,988 Views)
Iron Lotus
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Please help me clarify (if it can be) the rules on stalling vs. stalemate calls.

The situation arose today in which a wrestler took a shot and was caught in a front head. Normally from the front head position the wrestler in this case scores probably 75% the time. The bottom wrestler held both elbows of the wrestler with the front head preventing him from advancing his position. I can see this as a good defensive tactic, however that is all the bottom wrestler did. He did not move at all other than just hold one arm and the other at the elbow. He certainly could have moved around, changed hip position, drove forward, tried to get out, stand, anything. But he did nothing.

The Ref in this case called a stalemate, and restarted them neutral. The same thing happened 4 times and eat up well over a minute of clock time total. There was never a stalling warning to the bottom wrestler.

Perhaps this is the correct call, but I did not understand it to be. I thought that if you can move, then you have to. I was under the impression that you can't "create" a stalemate just by sitting there when you can move and have options. In this case, it was clear that he was just trying to eat clock time and prevent "wrestling" from occurring.

Can someone, or many please clarify this for me. I imagine it is subjective and up to Ref discretion, but there must be a general rule regarding this, and I'm sure it has come up before

Thanks to anyone who can help clarify.
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Iron Lotus
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So... a quicker read...

Wrestler A has front head, Wrestler B holds wrestler A's arms and sits in a ball not attempting to move. Wrestler A is trying to go around, is continually moving, and even picks up wrestler b at one point trying to free himself and is making progress. Wrestler B still sits like a rock holding on for his life.

Is this a stall, or a stalemate?

Anyone's opinion?
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It appears wrestler A is not as good at front headlock as you suggest, because if he couldn't score, he should have been able to improve or change his position to where he could. Now the question becomes if wrestler A consistently puts B in a front headlock and can't score, then wrestler A is stalling and needs to go to something else. Stalemate a few times, then stall front headlock man - especially if as you say, wrestler B shoots in and A catches him in front headlock.

Now I am sure this isn't the answer you were expecting - but if we get a wrestler in a front headlock, we expect to score - I don't think we have had a stalemate called all year in that situation and certainly not a stalling call.
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Rule 6.1.6 It is stalling when either wrestler repeatedly creates a stalemate situation to prevent an opponent from scoring. So both of you could be correct. It all comes down to who the referee thinks is causing the stalemate. The way get your 2 describes it is almost like wrestler B is locking up elbows burying his head and not trying to score. However I have seen guys lock up front head and not looking to score also same as Kodiak is describing.

So it really comes down to who the referee is thinking is not wrestling out of the situation but is rather waiting for the stalemate.
Edited by WrestlingOfficial, Jan 23 2012, 12:39 PM.
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Thanks to both. Yeah, i see your point Kodiac. However wrestler A in was simply reacting to a shot. The shot of wrestler B being unsuccessful, he goes holds the elbows deep not knowing another option but to stall out so he gets a fresh start and the same thing happens again. Wresting Official you had the right idea, wrestler A was moving, moving, and even picked up wrestler b for a moment, almost had an arm clear. Wrestler b made himself a rock. I don't see it often when a wrestler with a front head is not trying to score, unless he's up with short time. When you say intentionally creating a stalemate, you would think that after 5 times, the ref would have decided that one of the wrestlers is creating the situation. But I've always understood it to be if you are not moving, and not trying to do anything but wait for a whistle then you are stalling. I was not aware that the wrestler causing the other wrestler to be caught in a position where he does not have an option could be the stalling wrestler. It would seem that you have lots of options to try to change your situation while in a front head than just sit there. This is where ref discretion is frustrating. But I guess the real answer is to be so dominant that you beat your opponent and the ref. Also another point is that by grabbing the elbows and intentionally keeping wrestler A, then then B ( the elbow holder) is causing the stalemate by creating the situation. Every ref is different, some are really trigger happy with stalling calls, others will never call them. So again, we are working on beating both opponents ;)
Edited by Iron Lotus, Jan 23 2012, 02:40 PM.
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How long can a kid stay curled up in a ball and looking like a turtle before he is called for stalling ?
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Feb 1 2016, 08:51 AM
How long can a kid stay curled up in a ball and looking like a turtle before he is called for stalling ?
Depends if he's in a wrestling match or a 50-year old guy watching the Gophers wrestle Iowa on his laptop.
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