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Topic Started: Jan 24 2012, 10:02 AM (7,892 Views)
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All,

Last night we had our Gold Country Wrestling Officials Association meeting. At the meeting head rule interpreter Byron Olson was present. At the meeting the following things were discussed and ruled on.

Criss-Cross Straps - NFHS says this is illegal and not the way the manufacturer intended it to be worn, however Minnesota is NOT going to adopt this rule this year.

Tape on headgear - Minnesota will ENFORCE this. No tape of any kind on the headgear, so far I have not seen any issue with this.

Tape on Facemask - This is not allowed. At the Christmas tournament we did allow kids with the facemask to tape the loops that connect face mask to the headgear. This has been changed and is no longer legal.

Reporting to mat in proper sequence. Going forward, especially at section and state tournament time, we are going to instruct our table workers that only listen to the coach that is required to check in for that weight (based on the coin flip). If the other coach either indicates forfeit or reports a wrestler it is irrelevant what he says if it is not his turn to report. We will ignore that coach until it is his turn to report. This will also be covered with the coaches during the pre-meet.
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Any chance you could shed some light on the reasoning behind no tape on headgear and what harm the crossing of straps will do?

Both rules seem beyond ridiculous to me. "Sorry kid, don't fix your headgear or make it comfortable, go buy a new even less comfortable one".
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Thanks for the information.

I think the way to handle the reporting for dual meets is a good thing. I saw what happens when reporting out of turn can drive coaches crazy.

But my opinion on the headgear issue is this: If the rules committee feels that this is important enough to enforce (no tape and no criss-crossing the straps), then it should be enforced at all tournament that happen within Minnesota. I might be wrong, but at tournaments like the Christmas tournament and the Clash, the out of state wrestlers were not required to change their headgear to comply with Minnesota's rule. I think there is nothing wrong with a piece of tape or criss-crossing the straps to make the headgear fit better, but if Minnesota feels that it is important enough to enforce...it needs to be enforced at all tournaments.
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I ordered these Headgear Two Slot Strap Holder from Cliff Keen because my boys front strap always comes down and covers his eyes. At $2 a piece, not bad. Shipping is more expensive than that though.

http://www.cliffkeen.com/product/HG2S58-E58-Headgear-Two-Slot-Strap-Holder,570,6.htm


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Jan 24 2012, 11:19 AM
I ordered these Headgear Two Slot Strap Holder from Cliff Keen because my boys front strap always comes down and covers his eyes. At $2 a piece, not bad. Shipping is more expensive than that though.

http://www.cliffkeen.com/product/HG2S58-E58-Headgear-Two-Slot-Strap-Holder,570,6.htm


This a new product. Now it all makes sense.
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The reasoning for the tape is it is abrasive, it is on the parts of headgear that have constant contact to the face. It also never gets replaced thus has the chance of carrying bacteria and such that could cause skin issues. Not sure if there was a study done on it and proved that we can get skin issues from tape or not but that is the reasoning.

As far as criss-cross I have no idea and quite honestly I am glad we are not enforcing it here in Minnesota. BTW TboneHop not all states follow every rule from the NFHS.

Specifically Minnesota doesn't follow the weight decent rule, we don't follow random draw.
Iowa requires you to make the minimum weight at least once before you are given any kind of pound allowance.
Many states are allowing tape on headgear. And there are many more differences from the NFHS.

Edited by WrestlingOfficial, Jan 24 2012, 11:39 AM.
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Jan 24 2012, 11:39 AM
The reasoning for the tape is it is abrasive, it is on the parts of headgear that have constant contact to the face. It also never gets replaced thus has the chance of carrying bacteria and such that could cause skin issues. Not sure if there was a study done on it and proved that we can get skin issues from tape or not but that is the reasoning.

As far as criss-cross I have no idea and quite honestly I am glad we are not enforcing it here in Minnesota. BTW TboneHop not all states follow every rule from the NFHS.

Specifically Minnesota doesn't follow the weight decent rule, we don't follow random draw.
Iowa requires you to make the minimum weight at least once before you are given any kind of pound allowance.
Many states are allowing tape on headgear. And there are many more differences from the NFHS.

Ok....point taken.
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If tape is abrasive, can we use tape to support a injured wrist?? not quite sure how tape is now abrasive after all these years of using it.
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Cardinal I know your question is based on sarcasm, and we all know the answer to whether we can tape an injury.

My personal opinion, I am not sure how tape can be considered abrasive... And I am no doctor but I am not sure how tape can carry any kind of skin disease. Heck I still have my headgear from 1984 that still has tape on it...
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Head to head contact should be with a clean headgear and good condition - it's a good rule. We don't typically tape-up football helmets to hold them together...
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Jan 24 2012, 12:09 PM
Head to head contact should be with a clean headgear and good condition - it's a good rule. We don't typically tape-up football helmets to hold them together...
Well if you need to hold your helmet together with tape, you have other issues. A HELMET and headgear are way different.
Why not replace your tape before each match? Then it will be clean AND you are comfortable. I dont think there is anything wrong with fixing your headgear with tape. People have been doing it for, well forever.
I disagree that it's a "good rule"
I get what theyre trying to accomplish, but sometimes it is too much, just wrestle.
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I believe I read in an earlier thread the rule based on the tape rule is....it has the capabilities to harbor germs and spread mat infections! Not coming from just something someone had posted earlier, never heard the abbrasive part that to me doesnt seem right cause they use tape to cover injuries! Tape that is applied to wrists ankels and for the shoe laces are usually removed after matches on the head gear not so much! Also i dont see what the big deal is if they have or will make this a rule!
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T. LudlowJan 24 2012, 12:09 PM
Head to head contact should be with a clean headgear and good condition - it's a good rule. We don't typically tape-up football helmets to hold them together... Well if you need to hold your helmet together with tape, you have other issues. A HELMET and headgear are way different.
Why not replace your tape before each match? Then it will be clean AND you are comfortable. I dont think there is anything wrong with fixing your headgear with tape. People have been doing it for, well forever.
I disagree that it's a "good rule"
I get what theyre trying to accomplish, but sometimes it is too much, just wrestle.



Just wrestle... agree. Without tape on the headgear.
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Jan 24 2012, 12:20 PM
T. Ludlow
Jan 24 2012, 12:09 PM
Head to head contact should be with a clean headgear and good condition - it's a good rule. We don't typically tape-up football helmets to hold them together...
Well if you need to hold your helmet together with tape, you have other issues. A HELMET and headgear are way different.
Why not replace your tape before each match? Then it will be clean AND you are comfortable. I dont think there is anything wrong with fixing your headgear with tape. People have been doing it for, well forever.
I disagree that it's a "good rule"
I get what theyre trying to accomplish, but sometimes it is too much, just wrestle.
Who out there cleans/disinfects their headgear after every practice/event?

If tape is abrasive then they better stop letting people tape their hands/wrists. Because a good cross face from a taped up thumb is way worse than any damage the tape on headgear is going to do.
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if the tape is showing just a bit of stickiness where an edge is possibly folded over, and something sharp is stuck to it ? is that where the "abrasive" things happens ? just askin, never had to wear the things myself :ermm:
Edited by Tiny Tornado, Jan 24 2012, 01:41 PM.
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Only messenger here and unfortunately the one that has to enforce it.

Someone mentioned "I get what theyre trying to accomplish, but sometimes it is too much, just wrestle." Believe me there are several things we have to deal with as officials that we would just love to have the attitude of lets just wrestle.

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Is this effective immediately or does this begin next year? The tape on the headgear is going to make a lot of people upset.
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Jan 24 2012, 01:28 PM
Who out there cleans/disinfects their headgear after every practice/event?
I hope everyone, and after each match, not just after a whole event.

It's pretty common to see antibacterial or baby wipes matside and the wrestlers should be wiping off their headgear when they wipe themselves off. This is an easy way to spend 30-60 seconds and help limit the spread of funk, especially during all day tournaments where they may not shower in between matches.
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Jan 24 2012, 04:18 PM
cwillaert
Jan 24 2012, 01:28 PM
Who out there cleans/disinfects their headgear after every practice/event?
I hope everyone, and after each match, not just after a whole event.

It's pretty common to see antibacterial or baby wipes matside and the wrestlers should be wiping off their headgear when they wipe themselves off. This is an easy way to spend 30-60 seconds and help limit the spread of funk, especially during all day tournaments where they may not shower in between matches.
I agree with your hopes and shoulds...but don't think that's the reality.

In the end, if the kids just shower and the coaches do their checks properly we wouldn't need to worry about it...because there wouldn't be anything to spread in the first place!
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I can buy the tape on the head gear. some kids had tape on the head gear for years. Same tape job with all those different contacts over the years. Less chance of fungus ect.

"fresh" tape to a injury, all is good for me on that ruling as well. Much much lower risk of fungus ect.

The rest of the "ifs" and "buts" issues or this and thats sounds like a dog chasing its tail......ya catch then what. start spinning the other way lol!

Criss cross issue, guessing fingers getting caught, slight danger for little junior and his golden finger or two.
Seemed to be a pretty good Zebra meeting with Mr. Olson.

Pretty basic little adjustment.....thank god you folks do not have FILA to deal with HA!
They would walk in the day before(or of) the state trny and say.

We are going to 2- 3minute periods, point for push out, point for riding time, 2 stallings and your D.Qed and O.T is another 3 minutes first person with a take down wins then we flip the coin for winner if its still tied.(you can figure four the head).
OH yes, there will be coffee in the coaches room as well. This ruling would floor all coaches into a state of no complaining as donuts got supplied by the locl police Dept.

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Jan 24 2012, 12:09 PM
Head to head contact should be with a clean headgear and good condition - it's a good rule. We don't typically tape-up football helmets to hold them together...
i have seen alot of tape on football helmets to keep mouth gaurds from falling off. GET A CLUE
Edited by sam, Jan 25 2012, 07:44 PM.
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In the end.. should we really care either way on what they decided to do about the tape or other small rules?

No... This is wrestling and that is all that matters
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Lets just get rid of the head gear. Half the kids can't fit them to their head properly anyway and it slows down matches to continue to fix them. USA wrestling doesn't enforce wearing it, why should we? Plus its nice going down the street and recognizing a wrestler by "The EAR"
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Jan 24 2012, 10:02 AM
All,

Last night we had our Gold Country Wrestling Officials Association meeting. At the meeting head rule interpreter Byron Olson was present. At the meeting the following things were discussed and ruled on.

Criss-Cross Straps - NFHS says this is illegal and not the way the manufacturer intended it to be worn, however Minnesota is NOT going to adopt this rule this year.

Tape on headgear - Minnesota will ENFORCE this. No tape of any kind on the headgear, so far I have not seen any issue with this.

Tape on Facemask - This is not allowed. At the Christmas tournament we did allow kids with the facemask to tape the loops that connect face mask to the headgear. This has been changed and is no longer legal.

Reporting to mat in proper sequence. Going forward, especially at section and state tournament time, we are going to instruct our table workers that only listen to the coach that is required to check in for that weight (based on the coin flip). If the other coach either indicates forfeit or reports a wrestler it is irrelevant what he says if it is not his turn to report. We will ignore that coach until it is his turn to report. This will also be covered with the coaches during the pre-meet.
The answer is this: get Cliff Kean and the other head gear companies to state that they INTEND for the head gear to be taped and have criss crossed straps and we will be fine. Geeeez! Must not be many rules to worry about so we invent new ones. Competely rediculous!
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Jan 24 2012, 11:08 AM
Thanks for the information.

I think the way to handle the reporting for dual meets is a good thing. I saw what happens when reporting out of turn can drive coaches crazy.

But my opinion on the headgear issue is this: If the rules committee feels that this is important enough to enforce (no tape and no criss-crossing the straps), then it should be enforced at all tournament that happen within Minnesota. I might be wrong, but at tournaments like the Christmas tournament and the Clash, the out of state wrestlers were not required to change their headgear to comply with Minnesota's rule. I think there is nothing wrong with a piece of tape or criss-crossing the straps to make the headgear fit better, but if Minnesota feels that it is important enough to enforce...it needs to be enforced at all tournaments.
At the Clash we noticed a lot of teams showing up for work-outs with taped up head gear. We discussed it with some of the coaches and officials and made a decision that we would allow tape holding the top two straps together but nothing on the outside of the ear guards. As it was being enforced unevenly around the country, we decided that there just wasn't enough time to try to enforce it 100% at the tournament. If the rule is still there next year, we will enforce it completely. We usually send out e-mails to the coaches warning them of new rules and our enforcement policy, but the tape on the headgear one slipped through.

By the way, the reason that it slipped through is that it isn't a new rule but rather just a new interpretation of a rule. The rule doesn't say that you can't have tape on your headgear, but instead implies it when it says that headgear must be worn as manufacturers intend.
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Headgear without tape.... not a big deal. Time to let this one go to bed.
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Tape with injuries usually get new tape each day. As one person says, he has headgear from 1984 that still has tape on it. Hence the tape with injury ok and the tape on headgear not.
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Jan 24 2012, 10:02 AM
All,

Last night we had our Gold Country Wrestling Officials Association meeting. At the meeting head rule interpreter Byron Olson was present. At the meeting the following things were discussed and ruled on.
Reporting to mat in proper sequence. Going forward, especially at section and state tournament time, we are going to instruct our table workers that only listen to the coach that is required to check in for that weight (based on the coin flip). If the other coach either indicates forfeit or reports a wrestler it is irrelevant what he says if it is not his turn to report. We will ignore that coach until it is his turn to report. This will also be covered with the coaches during the pre-meet.
Did this come up in any team sections ?
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Bumping this thread as an example of the dedicated interest that Official Rod Frost has been contributing to our sport for a very long time! Rod Frost was recently awarded the MSHSL Officials Distinguished Service Award for 2012. There is an article in the Guillotine about his award.

May I be the first here to Congratulate Rod on his very well deserved recognition. Section 1 always welcomes you back when you are reffing down here. Keep up the great work. It is appreciated more than you may know! Us old guys in Pine Island remember when you were just a pup:) ^o)
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