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| Folkstyle in the Olympics; Could it happen? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 31 2012, 12:27 PM (3,460 Views) | |
| Ash_Williams | Aug 11 2012, 11:31 AM Post #61 |
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I'm of the cloth that if you build it, they will come. Maybe that's because my mom is from Dyersville. My point is, if you set the stage, someone is going to show up. For every Olympic Russian wrestler, there's maybe 500, maybe even 1000 Russians behind him who would love to be on the International Stage. If there's an opportunity to wrestle Folkstyle internationally, wrestlers in other countries will find their way to compete. It's not going to be ignored. A prime example is mixed martial arts. Just look at how far Judo, Sambo, and Ju Jitsu have come along in the U.S. in the last 10-15 years. Or course, you can't put the carriage before the horse. Countries aren't just going to pick up Folkstyle in hopes of the Olympics adding it some day. But, let's say USA Wrestling were to host an International team and individual Folkstyle tournament. It could be hosted here, Europe, Russia, or somewhere in Asia. Countries could enter multiple teams and individuals. Given a one or two year notice, you can bet that countries would show up. Eventually that tournament would evolve into the Folkstyle World Cup, and now you can start talking about adding it to the Olympics. Folkstyle is very much like Freestyle, yet it's very different. Given the opportunity, people like to be different. Edited by Ash_Williams, Aug 11 2012, 11:33 AM.
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| Tiny Tornado | Aug 12 2012, 10:41 AM Post #62 |
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weren't there more men's weight classes, before they added women's freestyle wrestling ? I don't actually know, as I didn't begin watching international wrestling until afterwards-I'm just going by comments I saw posted on themat.com forum, and it was implied that adding the 4 women's weights came at a cost to the men-
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| WrestleMe | Aug 12 2012, 04:11 PM Post #63 |
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Yes. Men lost weight classes. |
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| Iowan@heart | Aug 13 2012, 06:02 AM Post #64 |
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Someone mentioned comparing this olympics with our results in the 80s. That's not really a good comparison. We didn't win any in 1980 because we didn't go and we won a boat-load in 1984 because the USSR didn't show up. Prior to the fall of the Soviet Union, the USSR competed as one team (one entry). Now there are 15 separate countries that each are very tough. |
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| ivanputzke | Aug 13 2012, 06:58 AM Post #65 |
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If I'm the someone....I was talking about the world stage. I mentioned that the U.S. has usually been one of the top teams in freestyle. Tiny asked when and I mentioned the 70's, 80's and 90's. I also mentioned that the U.S. has won numerous medals on the world stage in any given year. The recent drought is NOT because we wrestle folkstyle in America. Congrats to team USA on a great showing in freestyle. I heard that they took an unofficial 3rd in team points. IMO Coleman Scott had the best tournament at his weight. I really believe he should've won the gold (or atleast been in the gold medal match). Herberts match was a travesty. Really dissapointed in the officiating and the U.S. not challenging the point scoring in Herberts match. Get those two results back and the U.S. would've unofficially taken 1st in the team scoring. |
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| ivanputzke | Aug 13 2012, 07:33 AM Post #66 |
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Some interesting infoabout the U.S and freestyle: From 1972-2006: The U.S. competed on the world stage (world championships and Olympics) in 33 of those years. (did not compete in 80' or 02'). The U.S. finished in top 3 in 26 of those years. Taking 1st - 4 times, 2nd- 12 times and 3rd - 10 times. Two other years they finished 4th. I would say that the U.S has always been considered one of the top countries in freestyle. For those that say we should switch to freestyle in High School and College in order to compete on the world stage....I say why? The results speak for themselves. The U.S. hit a drought for about 4 years in 2007-2010. They seem to be fixing that drought....and folkstyle wrestling IS helping. I believe I read somewhere that there are more kids competing in wrestling now then at any time. That is bound to pay off. I just wish they would add more weights internationally, not take them away. Interesting fact: There were ten weights from 1969-96, they dropped to 8 weights from 1997-2001 and now 7 weights. Why did they drop from 10 weights to 8? Does anyone know that answer? |
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| Tiny Tornado | Aug 13 2012, 07:35 AM Post #67 |
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TOTALLY agree on the Herbert match, he got Robbed-but Zeke Jones already was given a yellow card, if I'm not mistaken had he not left the mat and quit objecting, it would have turned to a red card and he would have been ejected and not allowed to coach the rest of the tournament- do you agree Iowan ? my husband who is a ref agreed; he doesn't care much for criticizing the officials, but he said it was a horrible call- |
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| Tiny Tornado | Aug 13 2012, 07:38 AM Post #68 |
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the drop in weights occurred at the same time that the women's weights were added- I'm not saying that one caused the other, just that they occurred at the same time. It doesn't make any sense, but then again a lot of the things the IOC does makes no sense to me- like eliminating women's softball, for one- highly popluar sport, played by a lot of countries, but dominated by the US- hhhmmmmm...... |
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| ivanputzke | Aug 13 2012, 07:43 AM Post #69 |
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Yeah but they dropped the weights two times since 1996. Down to eight in 97 and 7 in 2002. When did womans wrestling begin on the international scene? |
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| Auggie4Life | Aug 13 2012, 07:50 AM Post #70 |
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Like I mentioned earlier, Freestyle is really just Greco with Western influence. Naturally, the U.S. would be more dominant in Freestyle. I don't think you are seeing a decrease in U.S. performance. You're just seeing other countries catching-up and getting better. Here are some interesting arbitrary facts about the medal counts in each style 1. Sweden and Finland have almost as many medals as the Soviet Union in Greco. That doesn't include the 14 medals for Russia as an independent nation. In a distant 4th and 5th, Hungary and Bulgaria 2. Though the U.S. dominates the total medal count in Freestyle by almost double then Soviet Union/Russia, the Soviet Union/Russia has almost as many medals in Freestyle as they do in Greco. 3. Turkey, Japan, Bulgaria, Iran, and South Korea all have 20 medals in Freestyle, more than the number of medals they have in Greco. 4. Great Britain has 20 Freestyle medals, and ZERO Greco Medals. 5. Kazakhstan ranks 35th in total Olympic wrestling medals. Great athletic accomplishment for country rich in potassium, and cleanest prostitutes in the region. |
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| Tiny Tornado | Aug 13 2012, 09:11 AM Post #71 |
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"Freestyle is really just Greco with Western influence" ? really, how so ? what part of, "can't tough the legs" translates to freestyle ? Sorry but I don't follow- I believe Women's wrestling was first included in 2004- Edited by Tiny Tornado, Aug 13 2012, 09:12 AM.
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| Auggie4Life | Aug 15 2012, 04:02 PM Post #72 |
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I was referring to the scoring and match rules. When I say that Freestyle is really just Greco, I mean just that. Yes, touching of the legs and takedowns are allowed, but the emphasis is still on throws, locks, and style points. Greco is more popular worldwide, and was first to the Olypmics. Freestyle's origin is credited to Great Britain and the United States, which is what I consider to be "Western" influence. They took one sport, and added one feature to it to make another sport. Edited by Auggie4Life, Aug 15 2012, 04:02 PM.
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