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Intentional False Starts
Topic Started: Jan 19 2014, 10:12 PM (3,580 Views)
Coach _K
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We wrestled in a Team Tournament Saturday and the opposing Coach told his wrestler to intentionally false start so he could give up the technical fall instead of risking pin. I saw this as completely bogus but as far as I know there is no rules against it but there probably should be and I think a seasoned official may have call unsportsmanlike conduct of some sort if possible. Thoughts?
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There is nothing in the rule book to stop it.
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I already stated that there was nothing in the rules to stop it. There should be. It needs to be looked at, I don't think anyone wants a team up by six to be able to continuously false start and give up 15 penalty points and win a dual because of this. Our team won the dual, this is not sour grapes and I'm not looking for something to be changed about my dual. There needs to be a rule change going forward with some sort of DQ.
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I have seen this done occassionally for years - Just saw a variation recently where a coach told his wrestler to let the guy up when he was down by 14. I wouldn't disagree though that there should be an eventual disqualification after some number of false starts. The rules do now allow a guy to do it 18 times in a row and lose by TF
Edited by Iowan@heart, Jan 20 2014, 03:24 PM.
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Yeah I would almost take it as far as to say that if you lose by technical fall and even 2 of the points were earned by false starts it counts as 6 teams points. I'm sure it is way more complicated than that but that's where I'd start the conversation.
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Your wrestler had 14 prior points to get the fall and now you want a pin on the last point. I would not call it bogus I think your kid just could not pin him. IF he was scoring points to get mat time and making the other wrestler bad thats the bogus part.
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Your wrestler could have taken the caution first. I agree with erbooster, there should have been ample opportunity for your wrestler to get the fall before he got to the TF point. Dual meets are like chess, you sometimes sacrifice a pawn to check mate your opponent.
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I don't know what these statements mean? "making the other wrestler bad" "Your wrestler could have taken the caution first" This was a cheap, unsportsmanlike tactic by a coach. They basically forfeited for 5 points instead of 6. Do you guys realize that I could have a wrestler false start out of a match completely and only give up 5 team points? Don't you think a lot of teams would do that when they know they are going to get pinned? The winning wrestler worked some tilts to ensure the win and then went for some pinning combinations, actually he had the kid pinned several times but didn't get the call from the official. The opposing Head Coach knew this and decided he'd rather give up 5 than 6. As far as my Wrestler taking the caution first, so we caution before they can and then we restart and they false start for their penalty point, same outcome. Or are you saying that once I heard them state their intentions to false start intentionally I should have had my guy false start 3 times in a row or more to start taking the point spread back down, giving us more time to work for the pin. How can you not understand what a can of worms this could open. Is this really what you want for wrestling? Coaches scheming who can false start the most in order to end or keep the match going.
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You would not be able to false start out of the match, the first false start is a caution, second a caution, third a point, 4th a point 5th 2points, 6th DQ. So the most you could get out of it is 4 points.... SO they would still have to wrestle and your wrestler would have an oppertunity to pin them.
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wrestle1
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You would not be able to false start out of the match, the first false start is a caution, second a caution, third a point, 4th a point 5th 2points, 6th DQ. So the most you could get out of it is 4 points.... SO they would still have to wrestle and your wrestler would have an oppertunity to pin them.
I've looked at the rule book and don't see any limit to the number of false starts that a wrestler can get. It's not subject to the normal caution limits (unless it's changed recently). I think the point of this discussion is that it probably should be subject to DQ like you suggest.
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You are correct cautions are seperate from the regular penelty point chart. You learn something new every day.
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Is taking a intentional false start any worse than having a wrestler taking top position, then immediately letting them up for 1 to give bottom wrestler a tech.
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I think these tactics are all part of the TEAM aspect of wrestling. If wrestler A wants to pin his opponent then don't let the score get over double digits with possible back points coming from current pinning combination. If wrestler A can't do this then he/she couldn't get the job done with a pin. For wrestler B it's being a good teammate and having your kids coached right for every situation. Overall in the long term for all programs this will create both dual wins and losses.
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Get over it. If you built a 14 point lead without being able to pin then you need to work on your pinning combinations.
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