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Jul 30 2017, 03:21 PM
Gophers with two Junior World team members in Gable and McKee set to represent USA in Finland. Dustin one of three official team coaches. Great exposure for Minnesota Wrestling.
Bobby is also with on the trip.
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Jul 30 2017, 06:25 PM
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Jul 29 2017, 04:15 PM
Josiah Rider decommits from Nebraska

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Hopefully that isn't an indication that Brayton Lee is choosing Nebraska..
He decomitted before recruits could be contacted (July 1st). No correlation to Lee's recruitment (per Willie Saylor). Both Rider and Lee looking at Gophers, among other teams. Would fit great at 149 and 157 IMO.

Kendall Coleman originally committed to Purdue, but my understanding is the Maple departure has him looking at his options, with Purdue still in play.
I must say if we get Rider and Lee... then I can happily cheer for Lloyd and Robb at SDSU without envy lol
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Jul 27 2017, 10:02 AM
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Jul 27 2017, 09:25 AM
Middle of the pack?

Out of 14 teams, only 3 placed higher then us at Nationals.

Take your hate elsewhere, you're hurting my feelings.
Yes, I would consider a team that is in the middle third of their conference to be a middle of the pack team in their conference. It's not a bad thing though! The way things were trending a year ago today being in the middle of the pack in the Big Ten is pretty remarkable.
My Minnesota math tells me that 4th out of 14 puts MN in the upper 3rd of the B10 :)
My apologies, I was considering the totality of the season over one tournament. I figured the larger sample size would give us a more accurate view of the team, but if one tournament gives you the outcome you desire, then by all means use it.
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Middle of the pack?

Out of 14 teams, only 3 placed higher then us at Nationals.

Take your hate elsewhere, you're hurting my feelings.
Yes, I would consider a team that is in the middle third of their conference to be a middle of the pack team in their conference. It's not a bad thing though! The way things were trending a year ago today being in the middle of the pack in the Big Ten is pretty remarkable.
My Minnesota math tells me that 4th out of 14 puts MN in the upper 3rd of the B10 :)
My apologies, I was considering the totality of the season over one tournament. I figured the larger sample size would give us a more accurate view of the team, but if one tournament gives you the outcome you desire, then by all means use it.
Conference Dual standings need to be taken with a grain of salt when you don't wrestle every team each year. Do you think a team who wrestles all of the bottom feeders and maybe one of the top teams is actually better than a team that wrestles all top 4 teams and only a couple bottom feeders? Maybe, but you can't say for sure unless all teams wrestle each other every year.
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Middle of the pack?

Out of 14 teams, only 3 placed higher then us at Nationals.

Take your hate elsewhere, you're hurting my feelings.
Yes, I would consider a team that is in the middle third of their conference to be a middle of the pack team in their conference. It's not a bad thing though! The way things were trending a year ago today being in the middle of the pack in the Big Ten is pretty remarkable.
My Minnesota math tells me that 4th out of 14 puts MN in the upper 3rd of the B10 :)
My apologies, I was considering the totality of the season over one tournament. I figured the larger sample size would give us a more accurate view of the team, but if one tournament gives you the outcome you desire, then by all means use it.
Isn't looking at how the season ends the basic nature of all sports? 1998 Vikings - just saying...
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Jul 31 2017, 08:41 AM
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My Minnesota math tells me that 4th out of 14 puts MN in the upper 3rd of the B10 :)
My apologies, I was considering the totality of the season over one tournament. I figured the larger sample size would give us a more accurate view of the team, but if one tournament gives you the outcome you desire, then by all means use it.
Conference Dual standings need to be taken with a grain of salt when you don't wrestle every team each year. Do you think a team who wrestles all of the bottom feeders and maybe one of the top teams is actually better than a team that wrestles all top 4 teams and only a couple bottom feeders? Maybe, but you can't say for sure unless all teams wrestle each other every year.
Except we lost to each of the top 4 teams last year. It is great to peak at the end of the year and if there was a time for us to jump up and do it D1's is definitely the time when you want it to happen, but when you evaluate where the Gopher's sit in the conference it is pretty hard to view them ahead of Penn St, Iowa, Ohio St, or Nebraska when they lost to all them during the dual season and at the Big Ten tournament. In terms of accolades, yes, one weekend in March is all that matters, but to evaluate the upcoming season solely off of one weekend in March opposed to the entirety of the previous season is foolish.

I had no intention in this becoming a big discussion. My original post was just stating that I don't think we are exactly at a position in the conference to be looking down on other programs.
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http://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/PortalPlayer.jsp?TIM=1501500316519&twSessionId=kbyoqmmhtllqoog&videoId=590991009

Brayton Lee talks about his recruitment. Seems to have a lot of Nebraska ties. Has been rumored to be a Nebraska lean.
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http://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/PortalPlayer.jsp?TIM=1501500316519&twSessionId=kbyoqmmhtllqoog&videoId=590991009

Brayton Lee talks about his recruitment. Seems to have a lot of Nebraska ties. Has been rumored to be a Nebraska lean.
The Nebraska forum seems to think Lee is going there and that's why Rider decommitted..
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http://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/PortalPlayer.jsp?TIM=1501500316519&twSessionId=kbyoqmmhtllqoog&videoId=590991009

Brayton Lee talks about his recruitment. Seems to have a lot of Nebraska ties. Has been rumored to be a Nebraska lean.
The Nebraska forum seems to think Lee is going there and that's why Rider decommitted..
They are just trying to rationalize why Rider decomitted. Rider stated it had nothing to do with it.
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We need top notch out of state recruits already. It's make or break the next 2 year's. They better build a winner around Gable
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Jul 31 2017, 08:05 PM
We need top notch out of state recruits already. It's make or break the next 2 year's. They better build a winner around Gable
Come on man!!!!
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I realize he's no longer a recruit, but Mitch McKee is in the Junior World finals match in Finland. Mark Hall has also dominated his way to the finals match. Malik Heinselman (OhioSt recruit) and Kollin Moore (OhioSt 197lb) lost in the second and semi-final rounds, respectively.
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We need top notch out of state recruits already. It's make or break the next 2 year's. They better build a winner around Gable
I agree that we need out of state, but I don't necessarily think it's make-or-break. We've got some potentially good kids coming in. Adding Brayton Lee and/or Josiah Rider would be huge though.
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We have a national finalist back, McKee who was a true freshman last year that I feel could hang with almost everyone, 2 Seniors in Short and Wanzek, Bobby who gets to compete in a thinned out 197lbs bracket and some very solid guys who haven't been able to crack the line up yet waiting for their shot. I don't think the cupboard is bare by any means. We could use some more outstate talent for sure, however I think if we simply kept the talent that we have lost in the past 4 years to other U's we would be right there with anyone.

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Peyton Robb
Seth Gross
Hayden Zillmer

We need to get these guys! Hopefully it slowly turns with the new coaching staff.
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I'm not exactly familiar with how the process works, but how early to coaches start recruiting wrestlers? Are we already in contact with guys like Carson Manville, Patrick Kennedy and Ryan Sokol?
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I'm not exactly familiar with how the process works, but how early to coaches start recruiting wrestlers? Are we already in contact with guys like Carson Manville, Patrick Kennedy and Ryan Sokol?
Just 3? I think the lower class years have more to offer than just 3.

Also no idea on the rules but I am sure casual and incidental discussions happen often?
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I'm not exactly familiar with how the process works, but how early to coaches start recruiting wrestlers? Are we already in contact with guys like Carson Manville, Patrick Kennedy and Ryan Sokol?
Just 3? I think the lower class years have more to offer than just 3.

Also no idea on the rules but I am sure casual and incidental discussions happen often?
Do you expect me to list off every young wrestler worthy of our attention? I was putting out examples.
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I'm not exactly familiar with how the process works, but how early to coaches start recruiting wrestlers? Are we already in contact with guys like Carson Manville, Patrick Kennedy and Ryan Sokol?
Just 3? I think the lower class years have more to offer than just 3.

Also no idea on the rules but I am sure casual and incidental discussions happen often?
Do you expect me to list off every young wrestler worthy of our attention? I was putting out examples.
Yes I do
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I'm not exactly familiar with how the process works, but how early to coaches start recruiting wrestlers? Are we already in contact with guys like Carson Manville, Patrick Kennedy and Ryan Sokol?
Just 3? I think the lower class years have more to offer than just 3.

Also no idea on the rules but I am sure casual and incidental discussions happen often?
Do you expect me to list off every young wrestler worthy of our attention? I was putting out examples.
Yes I do
Alright, I should have a list ready by tomorrow afternoon
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My understanding is Colleges can contact via phone at beginning of junior year. Can contact in person July 1st going into their senior year.

College Coaches can have contact at camps/clinics and RTC practices (one of big reasons the RTC push has occurred), but aren't technically "recruiting".

All three kids that have been mentioned, would meet criteria to attend RTC practices. I do not know if all take advantage of that opportunity or not though.

Kids can reach out to coaches whenever, but coaches are limited in what kind of contact they can have with kids.

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How do College Basketball and Football coaches get away with "offering scholarships" to kids in middle school? 6th-8th grade...

Seems pretty crooked if other sports can't contact till July 1st...
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Could be because all scholarships in those sports are full rides. just guessing. Or maybe those scenarios are all just media hype idk.

This breaks it down pretty simple. Biggest thing to take away from it is if you want to go to a college, reach out early and often.

http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/ncaa-recruiting-rules-contact-visits.htm
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The offers to underclassmen aren't binding so some of those kids will make decisions to go elsewhere of the school will tell them that they've withdrawn the offer of a scholarship if the kid hasn't developed as they'd hoped or the school is able to attract a more highly regarded recruit.
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Calvin Germinaro is nolonger attending U of M. Will focus on Greco at Northern Michigan. Has been near the top of the ladder at age group Greco, probably a smart move.
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Calvin Germinaro is nolonger attending U of M. Will focus on Greco at Northern Michigan. Has been near the top of the ladder at age group Greco, probably a smart move.
Smart move for wrestling, academics or both?
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On a different note, Flo is reporting that Pat Downey is taking an official visit to Iowa http://www.flowrestling.org/article/59822-pat-downey-taking-official-visit-to-iowa#.WYNhhjjrtEY.

While he's a talented wrestler, I think the downside outweighs the upside, especially in a year when Iowa isn't going to be able to compete for a national title. I respect Tom Brands, and maybe he truly feels he can turn Downey around, but I don't think it would be a good idea to expose him to the young talent they have in the room. Sounds like he wouldn't be eligible until the second semester if it does happen.
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Calvin Germinaro is nolonger attending U of M. Will focus on Greco at Northern Michigan. Has been near the top of the ladder at age group Greco, probably a smart move.
Smart move for wrestling, academics or both?
For his Greco aspirations it's a smart move. Kid is really smart either a 4.0 or darn close student.
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On a different note, Flo is reporting that Pat Downey is taking an official visit to Iowa http://www.flowrestling.org/article/59822-pat-downey-taking-official-visit-to-iowa#.WYNhhjjrtEY.

While he's a talented wrestler, I think the downside outweighs the upside, especially in a year when Iowa isn't going to be able to compete for a national title. I respect Tom Brands, and maybe he truly feels he can turn Downey around, but I don't think it would be a good idea to expose him to the young talent they have in the room. Sounds like he wouldn't be eligible until the second semester if it does happen.
Grab the popcorn. This guy at the Hawks would be super entertaining.
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