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Lee hasn't committed yet and Lee may wait to make his decision past the initial signing period. Time will tell.
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With Wittlake switching to OK State will Montalvo look elsewhere.. Minnesota was on his list..
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Nov 8 2017, 04:52 PM
With Wittlake switching to OK State will Montalvo look elsewhere.. Minnesota was on his list..
Montalvo signed his NLI this morning for OKST.
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With Wittlake switching to OK State will Montalvo look elsewhere.. Minnesota was on his list..
Montalvo signed his NLI this morning for OKST.
I understand that. With Moore and now Wittlake there will both sides agree he look elsewhere...
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John Smith recruited over Montalvo with a last minute flip that had to have come from recruiting after a verbal.

This is the part where the peanut gallery should be attacking his morals and using some sort of near-name reference.
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Anyone who steals a guy from Cael is good with us !!
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Nov 8 2017, 05:11 PM
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Nov 8 2017, 04:52 PM
With Wittlake switching to OK State will Montalvo look elsewhere.. Minnesota was on his list..
Montalvo signed his NLI this morning for OKST.
I understand that. With Moore and now Wittlake there will both sides agree he look elsewhere...
Just pointing out if he wanted to go elsewhere he probably wouldn't have signed his NLI. While u can still leave, it is not as easy compared to just changing his verbal commitment.
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Jose Champagne's lil bro Carlos commits to Northern Illinois. Same school Bleise transferred here from.
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Nov 8 2017, 04:32 PM
Lee hasn't committed yet and Lee may wait to make his decision past the initial signing period. Time will tell.
Feeling less and less confident that he won’t be choosing the U. Hope I’m wrong
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Nov 8 2017, 07:43 PM
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Nov 8 2017, 04:32 PM
Lee hasn't committed yet and Lee may wait to make his decision past the initial signing period. Time will tell.
Feeling less and less confident that he won’t be choosing the U. Hope I’m wrong
:ermm: Does that mean that you feel more confident that he will be choosing the U?
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We need to be on more out of state blue chippers radar...we seem to lose out on way more of those top 25 guys....
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Lee has a strong relationship with Chad Red and his dad. He also seems to really enjoy Patrick McKee. I'm sure it's been a very difficult process for him and why he's delayed his decision. I'm holding out hope that he really enjoys Mrs. McKee's cooking!
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Nov 8 2017, 08:17 PM
We need to be on more out of state blue chippers radar...we seem to lose out on way more of those top 25 guys....
Most teams lose out on way more than they land. It's the reality of recruiting.
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Name one team of the following that has had worse luck getting top 25 OUT of state recruits to come to their team and have had problems (like Stroker, Mason, Disney, Geiger, Cooperman---don[t know how many of those were top 25, but most were probably top 50 nationally)...

Ohio St.
Penn St.
Iowa
Cornell
Ok. St.

I don't remember any of those teams having as many big issues as the Gophers have had over the last 15 years or so...

And most of those teams have been much more successful with recruiting.
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http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1150496-195-3rd-place-garrett-joles-wi-vs-zach-elam-mo#.WgPrc3BOKK0

Flo Pro match 3rd place match NHSCA

Here is Joles against the #31 overall recruit Elam who just committed to MO for heavyweight. Lost 4-5. Was very active on his feet. Looked undersized compared to opponent, which makes sense if he is going on to be a heavyweight. Gave up a quick tilt and a reversal and cut him loose to try to come back. Scored his points off a reversal and a TD. Was in on a couple low singles and a duck.
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Name one team of the following that has had worse luck getting top 10 OUT of state recruits to come to their team and have had problems (like Stroker, Mason, Disney, Geiger, Cooperman---don[t know how many of those were top 25, but most were probably top 50 nationally)...

Ohio St.
Penn St.
Iowa
Cornell
Ok. St.

I don't remember any of those teams having as many big issues as the Gophers have had over the last 15 years or so...

And most of those teams have been much more successful with recruiting.
Not going to break it down, but each school listed has missed on top 10 recruits they were after. Each school has had problems with top recruits over that timespan. Gophers could be at a slightly higher rate, but without a full set of data hard to say. You follow MN wrestling closer than those programs so our problems seem polarizing, but the reality is they are much the same as a lot of other schools.

Recency bias is getting u if you fail to see the program's success over the last 15 years.
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McIntosh beat #45 recruit Mauler and #72 recruit Silverstein at Super 32.

Lost 2-3 to Silverstein on the top side, then lost to Superstar freshman Facundo 6-7 in consi semis, then avenged loss to Silverstein.

Flo also recently discussed on who's #1 show they Ryan Thomas really impressed at Super 32 and that they think pretty highly of them.

I expect McKee and Thomas to rise in the top 100 rankings. Would also like to see McIntosh and Gliva enter the top 100 rankings.
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Name one team of the following that has had worse luck getting top 10 OUT of state recruits to come to their team and have had problems (like Stroker, Mason, Disney, Geiger, Cooperman---don[t know how many of those were top 25, but most were probably top 50 nationally)...

Ohio St.
Penn St.
Iowa
Cornell
Ok. St.

I don't remember any of those teams having as many big issues as the Gophers have had over the last 15 years or so...

And most of those teams have been much more successful with recruiting.
Not going to break it down, but each school listed has missed on top 10 recruits they were after. Each school has had problems with top recruits over that timespan. Gophers could be at a slightly higher rate, but without a full set of data hard to say. You follow MN wrestling closer than those programs so our problems seem polarizing, but the reality is they are much the same as a lot of other schools.

Recency bias is getting u if you fail to see the program's success over the last 15 years.
My point is, we don't get near as many top 25 guys---Gable/McKee this year is awesome. Storley was good even if we thought he should have won a title or two in his career and he sometimes got too conservative.

The last big group of success that you could say we had with "top 25 or so talent" was the Reiter/ CP Schlatter/Kish group and that's been what class? 2003, graduating in 2008? The Mason/Geiger/Disney class was a mess that came in around 08/09 or so ....Other than Storley, how many other guys were top 25 recruits? Nelson/Schiller/Ness and Dardanes were not top 25 guys from what I remember, some over-performed and some under-performed....

Grap--I know you are homer and that's fine. I want the Gophers to succeed, I want them to end Pedophile State Univ (PSU) and Ohio St. and those teams streak of titles, but I think it is time to take the head out of the sand. We NEED more out of state top 25 talent that are can't miss to mesh with the McKee's, Gable, etc. and improve so we can beat the best. Lee would be a great start...We'll need more.
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The Gopher Wrestling Twitter account put out nice tweets about the McKee and Gliva signings but nothing about Gable. He did indeed sign yesterday so I'm wondering if they're working on something big? Just kind of surprising that they haven't made a big deal about it...
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Nov 9 2017, 08:03 AM
The Gopher Wrestling Twitter account put out nice tweets about the McKee and Gliva signings but nothing about Gable. He did indeed sign yesterday so I'm wondering if they're working on something big? Just kind of surprising that they haven't made a big deal about it...
I wouldn't read too much into what gets tweeted by who and when.

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Nov 9 2017, 08:27 AM
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The Gopher Wrestling Twitter account put out nice tweets about the McKee and Gliva signings but nothing about Gable. He did indeed sign yesterday so I'm wondering if they're working on something big? Just kind of surprising that they haven't made a big deal about it...
I wouldn't read too much into what gets tweeted by who and when.

But I rely on the Internet for all of my information!!

Okay, I'll calm down. :D
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Gable, Allar, McKee, Bobby, Stroker, Early, Short, Wanzek, Kroells, Storley, Ness, Nick Dardanes, Ortiz, and Nelson were all top 25 recruits going back to Tony's class. T Thorn was just outside. Not all have performed to that level, that's our real problem as to why we are where we are IMO. Nelson's and Ness class had a ton of success.

Keep in mind last season the program took a huge hit with the scandal. Other coaches are still bringing this up to recruits. Each year removed from it, recruits will hear it less and less.

One year removed and we have the #2 recruiting class in the country. Largely due to Gable. For the next four years we can put 20-25 points in our pocket heading into the national tournament just cuz of him. These are the type of recruits that change things. I like what I see out of the rest of the guys signed.

Yes we need more and we want more. Everyone that is not PSU or tOSU(even they want more) is guilty of that. It's a process. New facilities and RTC focus are steps in that process.

This is essentially this staff's first recruiting class and it's #2 in the nation. That's pretty dang good. There are a lot of things to be excited about.
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No doubt Eggum and co. are doing all they can to land the kids they believe will be good for the program. They seem pretty open about things, and I’m liking this new social media presence. They’re making all the right moves in the right direction. Minnesota is a special place, not everyone can take the cold and can’t tolerate the seasons, but good things are coming and it’ll be fun to watch.
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Nov 9 2017, 08:49 AM
Gable, Allar, McKee, Bobby, Stroker, Early, Short, Wanzek, Kroells, Storley, Ness, Nick Dardanes, Ortiz, and Nelson were all top 25 recruits going back to Tony's class. T Thorn was just outside. Not all have performed to that level, that's our real problem as to why we are where we are IMO. Nelson's and Ness class had a ton of success.

Keep in mind last season the program took a huge hit with the scandal. Other coaches are still bringing this up to recruits. Each year removed from it, recruits will hear it less and less.

One year removed and we have the #2 recruiting class in the country. Largely due to Gable. For the next four years we can put 20-25 points in our pocket heading into the national tournament just cuz of him. These are the type of recruits that change things. I like what I see out of the rest of the guys signed.

Yes we need more and we want more. Everyone that is not PSU or tOSU(even they want more) is guilty of that. It's a process. New facilities and RTC focus are steps in that process.

This is essentially this staff's first recruiting class and it's #2 in the nation. That's pretty dang good. There are a lot of things to be excited about.
Phenomenal post. I agree very much.
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Kerkvleit would have been another anchor. It is unfortunate he outgrew 197.

I hope like heck we land Lee. If not, we move on to next years class. Connor Brady and Kevin Davenport are two recruits I really like. Would love if we get Lee and one of them and we could fill 149/157. Or any two of the three really.
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Gable's commitment is official!

As is Ryan Thomas'!
Edited by Not a Hawkeye fan, Nov 9 2017, 10:34 AM.
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Gable, Allar, McKee, Bobby, Stroker, Early, Short, Wanzek, Kroells, Storley, Ness, Nick Dardanes, Ortiz, and Nelson were all top 25 recruits going back to Tony's class. T Thorn was just outside. Not all have performed to that level, that's our real problem as to why we are where we are IMO. Nelson's and Ness class had a ton of success.

Keep in mind last season the program took a huge hit with the scandal. Other coaches are still bringing this up to recruits. Each year removed from it, recruits will hear it less and less.

One year removed and we have the #2 recruiting class in the country. Largely due to Gable. For the next four years we can put 20-25 points in our pocket heading into the national tournament just cuz of him. These are the type of recruits that change things. I like what I see out of the rest of the guys signed.

Yes we need more and we want more. Everyone that is not PSU or tOSU(even they want more) is guilty of that. It's a process. New facilities and RTC focus are steps in that process.

This is essentially this staff's first recruiting class and it's #2 in the nation. That's pretty dang good. There are a lot of things to be excited about.
As fans of teams who saw national titles our expectations will always be at that level. So what you say may all be true we certainly shouldnt lower our expectations. We have been in conversations for several big recruits and gotten second. Yes we've gotten some great local talent, but we've missed some too. We need to keep landing the local talent like we did this year but to push us to the top we have to grab some great out of state talent. You know all this already. We expect Eggum to get these kids and excuses about the past he doesnt want to hear and neither do we. I am certain we are better off w/o the guys we sent packing last year. Time to look forward and keep expectations high. Actions not words. Its time to go. We got Gable and McKee lets use them and not stop trying for more. No more its a process. The time is now. I'm excited about who we have they will do good. I'm not satisfied yet.

Hows that for a ramble...
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Gable, Allar, McKee, Bobby, Stroker, Early, Short, Wanzek, Kroells, Storley, Ness, Nick Dardanes, Ortiz, and Nelson were all top 25 recruits going back to Tony's class. T Thorn was just outside. Not all have performed to that level, that's our real problem as to why we are where we are IMO. Nelson's and Ness class had a ton of success.

Keep in mind last season the program took a huge hit with the scandal. Other coaches are still bringing this up to recruits. Each year removed from it, recruits will hear it less and less.

One year removed and we have the #2 recruiting class in the country. Largely due to Gable. For the next four years we can put 20-25 points in our pocket heading into the national tournament just cuz of him. These are the type of recruits that change things. I like what I see out of the rest of the guys signed.

Yes we need more and we want more. Everyone that is not PSU or tOSU(even they want more) is guilty of that. It's a process. New facilities and RTC focus are steps in that process.

This is essentially this staff's first recruiting class and it's #2 in the nation. That's pretty dang good. There are a lot of things to be excited about.
As fans of teams who saw national titles our expectations will always be at that level. So what you say may all be true we certainly shouldnt lower our expectations. We have been in conversations for several big recruits and gotten second. Yes we've gotten some great local talent, but we've missed some too. We need to keep landing the local talent like we did this year but to push us to the top we have to grab some great out of state talent. You know all this already. We expect Eggum to get these kids and excuses about the past he doesnt want to hear and neither do we. I am certain we are better off w/o the guys we sent packing last year. Time to look forward and keep expectations high. Actions not words. Its time to go. We got Gable and McKee lets use them and not stop trying for more. No more its a process. The time is now. I'm excited about who we have they will do good. I'm not satisfied yet.

Hows that for a ramble...
Process :P
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Does anybody know why Stroker is not on Cornells wrestling roster?
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Name one team of the following that has had worse luck getting top 10 OUT of state recruits to come to their team and have had problems (like Stroker, Mason, Disney, Geiger, Cooperman---don[t know how many of those were top 25, but most were probably top 50 nationally)...

Ohio St.
Penn St.
Iowa
Cornell
Ok. St.

I don't remember any of those teams having as many big issues as the Gophers have had over the last 15 years or so...

And most of those teams have been much more successful with recruiting.
Not going to break it down, but each school listed has missed on top 10 recruits they were after. Each school has had problems with top recruits over that timespan. Gophers could be at a slightly higher rate, but without a full set of data hard to say. You follow MN wrestling closer than those programs so our problems seem polarizing, but the reality is they are much the same as a lot of other schools.

Recency bias is getting u if you fail to see the program's success over the last 15 years.
My point is, we don't get near as many top 25 guys---Gable/McKee this year is awesome. Storley was good even if we thought he should have won a title or two in his career and he sometimes got too conservative.

The last big group of success that you could say we had with "top 25 or so talent" was the Reiter/ CP Schlatter/Kish group and that's been what class? 2003, graduating in 2008? The Mason/Geiger/Disney class was a mess that came in around 08/09 or so ....Other than Storley, how many other guys were top 25 recruits? Nelson/Schiller/Ness and Dardanes were not top 25 guys from what I remember, some over-performed and some under-performed....

Grap--I know you are homer and that's fine. I want the Gophers to succeed, I want them to end Pedophile State Univ (PSU) and Ohio St. and those teams streak of titles, but I think it is time to take the head out of the sand. We NEED more out of state top 25 talent that are can't miss to mesh with the McKee's, Gable, etc. and improve so we can beat the best. Lee would be a great start...We'll need more.
Allar 23
Mitch McKee 13
Tommy Thorn 16
Ethan Lizak 13

I could look up more
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