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| gopherfan149 | Jul 9 2015, 08:03 AM Post #451 |
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Lets no get carried away now and start calling people liars. "Upside" is hard to judge though so I'd leave it be. |
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| meluvwrestling | Jul 9 2015, 08:50 AM Post #452 |
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To me, to determine who has more upside is a wrestler who is nationally ranked and hasn't spent anytime in a college room. That wrestler hasn't had the opportunity to practice and compete against college level talent. A wrestler who is nationally ranked and his primary wrestling partners aren't on the same level as he is. A wrestler who can only compete against the best competition post HS season. |
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| gopherfan149 | Jul 9 2015, 09:09 AM Post #453 |
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In college it all comes down to how much work the wrestler wants to put in. |
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| grappler6 | Jul 9 2015, 09:39 AM Post #454 |
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The moment the whistle blows, your opponent doesn't care about ur state titles national ranking in high school. The strong survive. |
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| Iowan@heart | Jul 9 2015, 09:59 AM Post #455 |
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There are at least 8 in-coming freshman in that 149/157 range: James Berg - New Prague, MN Dalton Clark - Providence Grove, NC Daniel Cartagena - Allen, TX Carlson Brolsma - Osseo, MN Ben Brancale - Eden Prarie, MN Larry Early - Oak Park River Forest, IL Miles Patton - Rochester, MN Fredy Stroker - Bettendorf, IA I think Griffin is the real deal and will have an outstanding college career, but the Gophers do have more desperate needs elsewhere in the line-up. |
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| WHOMP NATION | Jul 9 2015, 10:49 AM Post #456 |
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Recruiting a top Heavyweight between now and Gable is going to be tough. Gable is basically a lock for the Gophs, and who knows, by the time he's a Sr. (MAYBE JR.) He could be the #1 P4P wrestler in the country on Hall's level. No top heavyweight is going to want to come in and start for tw year just to have his spot taken for his jr and sr year. You can say all you want on someone taking a stand and beating off a young gable, but like I said earlier, I think this kid will be on Hall's level, no one is going to want to fend this kid off for their spot. |
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| grappler6 | Jul 9 2015, 02:08 PM Post #457 |
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That's a reasonable possibility, IF Gable is a Gopher. Hopefully Steifel(so?) can step up for a year or two or Rose builds into a 285 by then(if he is not a 197 starter). Bobby weigh 217 and plans to be a 184. I think both Keegan Moore and Bobby have the ability and versatility to go either 184 or 197 so that would provide some flexibility if we landed Moore and Bobby outgrew 184. I can't see Breske at 197. 165 on up is where the Gophers recruiting focus should be. Obviously you don't turn away a lighter weight that has interest but the reality is you may not be able to meet their demands. |
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| gopherfan149 | Jul 9 2015, 02:22 PM Post #458 |
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Short, Stroker Early 149, 157, 165? |
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| Iowan@heart | Jul 9 2015, 02:28 PM Post #459 |
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One definition of "upside" is "the potential for gain". That would mean that the wrestler with the most potential "upside" in any room has to be the worst wrestler as he has the most potential room to improve. |
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| grappler6 | Jul 9 2015, 03:00 PM Post #460 |
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Based on frames I would project that lineup in two years, but weirder things have happened. |
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| that'safactjack | Jul 9 2015, 04:03 PM Post #461 |
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Any possible JC recruits to fill the gap? |
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| TheWombat | Jul 9 2015, 07:04 PM Post #462 |
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We haven't landed a JUCO guy since Malamura, but it would be really nice. |
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| YouCantHandleTheTruth | Jul 9 2015, 07:29 PM Post #463 |
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I don't think Gable is a lock for the Gophers. A lot can happen between now and college. |
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| WHOMP NATION | Jul 9 2015, 07:35 PM Post #464 |
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A lot of people had concerns of Kroells not being big enough HWY (still under sized) and he was bigger than Rose after high school, as well as taking two full years of college to try and gain and fill into a bigger HWY. If Rose has the possibility of doing that he needs to decide before this season if he's going to be a 197 or HWY. |
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| grappler6 | Jul 9 2015, 08:27 PM Post #465 |
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Pretty sure Rose has a bigger frame to add mass too. Why would Rose try to gain weight this season to be a backup for two years? He will be 197 if he want a shot to start. Conrad Rangel was a JUCO guy. |
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| TheWombat | Jul 10 2015, 12:25 AM Post #466 |
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If the chatter on here was correct, Rose had some serious problems making weight all year and was planning on going heavyweight at his last tournament. I have no inside information on this, but I bet he's nowhere near 197 right now. Also, after a lackluster 5-5 season, I'm not sure to what extent he's really in the running for the spot at 197. His style is much more conducive to wrestling 285 and I think he may be a better small heavyweight than an exhausted 197 like he was last year. And you're right, I don't know how I forgot about Rangel. My mistake. |
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| grappler6 | Jul 10 2015, 06:30 AM Post #467 |
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The coaches didn't want him to wrestle heavyweight. 5-5 or not, it sounds like he is the best 197 in the room (unless Pfarr or Steveson were to occupy the weight). His dad has verbalized Nathan's need to be more disciplined with his weight cut. It's not that he can't make the weight. |
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| 3girlsanddad | Jul 10 2015, 10:55 AM Post #468 |
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4 girls and dad
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Isn't Broc eligible 2nd semester?? |
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| grappler6 | Jul 10 2015, 01:17 PM Post #469 |
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What I heard is Rose trumps Berge. Unless things have changed. |
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| dirtygo4 | Jul 10 2015, 02:52 PM Post #470 |
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Hopefully by trump you mean beats out. No one should be given a spot and I doubt that is the case. |
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| TheWombat | Jul 10 2015, 08:26 PM Post #471 |
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Berge is eligible right now. I'm not sure how things go in the room, but they had two common opponents last year. Rose pinned Cody Linssen and Berge majored him 11-1. Rose lost to Chris Zimmer 9-7 and Berge beat him 4-1. So, we'll see how it goes, but right now I'd lean towards having Berge out there. Lunde, Balow and Chris Pfarr may also be options if neither of them work out. It's going to be a hard weight for us next year no matter how you look at it. |
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| BoogieChillen | Jul 11 2015, 05:36 AM Post #472 |
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I disagree about it being a hard weight no matter how you look at it! Good things will happen once Berge completely wipes himself clean of that Iowa sludge he was stuck in. A Dr. friend of mine once said it could take 12-24 months to be 100% free of it, depending on how bad the infestation is. |
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| B. Fife | Jul 12 2015, 11:08 AM Post #473 |
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Zimmer also beat Berge the year earlier. Zimmer, is the backup 197 at MSU Mankato. |
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| TheWombat | Jul 12 2015, 11:48 AM Post #474 |
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I know, I wonder if he'd like to transfer and start for a top five division one team. I'm just kidding, but it is a little disappointing that our prospective starters are losing to DII back-ups. Though, I guess everyone is entitle to a bad day. Hopefully Boogiechillen is right about the Iowa sludge being the problem. |
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| gopherfan149 | Jul 12 2015, 02:40 PM Post #475 |
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Anyone heard of the off season? Its when these guys get better! Last year means nothing its all about today! |
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| grappler6 | Jul 12 2015, 08:41 PM Post #476 |
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Don't think anyone posted this from Foleys Friday Mail Bag. Take it for what you wish. Q: Is there any chance Mark Hall doesn't sign with the University of Minnesota? Seems like a done deal from everything I have heard from those very close to the situation. -- Mike C. Foley: Of course there is a chance Mark Hall won't sign with Minnesota. He's an 18-year-old boy being wooed by every major college wrestling powerhouse. Most 18-year-old's I've known are predictably unpredictable, and while Hall may be the best wrestler in all the land, I doubt that title precludes him from making a shocking choice for his college career. Still, you are right that the rumor mill has been chirping with the idea that Hall will head to Minnesota. That's as excellent a choice as the Minnesota native could make. |
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| PickHandzPickHandz | Jul 12 2015, 09:05 PM Post #477 |
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There is very little to no chance of him signing at the at the U. I won't say where but it came from the horses mouth. |
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| barney2000 | Jul 12 2015, 10:43 PM Post #478 |
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does that mean he is following pico's footsteps and not going to wrestle in college? Edited by barney2000, Jul 12 2015, 10:43 PM.
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| YouCantHandleTheTruth | Jul 12 2015, 10:45 PM Post #479 |
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Why not? |
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| Gopher187 | Jul 13 2015, 09:33 AM Post #480 |
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Blah blah, go chew on a turd! |
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