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Apr 18 2018, 03:16 PM
The only problem i saw with Carlson joining the gophers is that i think he will be a 141-149 in college and we're already very deep in that area. I think he's very very good but we can't have 1/3 of our team in that weight range.

Okay it's not exactly 1/3 but we are well loaded and have weights that we really need to purse.

I do wish him the best of lucky and i think Nebraska is getting a very good wrestler.
This was kind of my concern as well, but since Clay Carlson has been at 132 the last 3 years of high school, it's possible he will be a 133 in college.

Cousin Cael on the other hand has a steeper growth curve and will probably be a couple weights higher.
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Apr 18 2018, 07:41 PM
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Apr 18 2018, 03:16 PM
The only problem i saw with Carlson joining the gophers is that i think he will be a 141-149 in college and we're already very deep in that area. I think he's very very good but we can't have 1/3 of our team in that weight range.

Okay it's not exactly 1/3 but we are well loaded and have weights that we really need to purse.

I do wish him the best of lucky and i think Nebraska is getting a very good wrestler.
This was kind of my concern as well, but since Clay Carlson has been at 132 the last 3 years of high school, it's possible he will be a 133 in college.

Cousin Cael on the other hand has a steeper growth curve and will probably be a couple weights higher.
I'm sorry, but seriously, what are you guys talking about? How're we "very deep" at 141 and 149?
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Apr 18 2018, 07:41 PM
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Apr 18 2018, 03:16 PM
The only problem i saw with Carlson joining the gophers is that i think he will be a 141-149 in college and we're already very deep in that area. I think he's very very good but we can't have 1/3 of our team in that weight range.

Okay it's not exactly 1/3 but we are well loaded and have weights that we really need to purse.

I do wish him the best of lucky and i think Nebraska is getting a very good wrestler.
This was kind of my concern as well, but since Clay Carlson has been at 132 the last 3 years of high school, it's possible he will be a 133 in college.

Cousin Cael on the other hand has a steeper growth curve and will probably be a couple weights higher.
I'm sorry, but seriously, what are you guys talking about? How're we "very deep" at 141 and 149?
We are not in terms of AA caliber guys. We just have a lot of guys at those two weights.
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Moisey was granted a release and Minnesota is one of the schools he is looking at per Flo.
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If Mitchell McKee redshirts and Lizak moves up a weight class, Moisey would fit in well at 125. Will be interesting to see how this develops.
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While I won't go so far as say don't take transfers....I enjoyed the minimal transfers in the ncaas years....
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Didn't Polakowski beat Moisey the last time they wrestled?
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Apr 19 2018, 12:56 PM
Didn't Polakowski beat Moisey the last time they wrestled?
If I recall, that was during Moisey’s injury riddled season. This past year proved he can perform at AA level when healthy. Not saying he is capable of a finalist tear like his freshman year
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Moisey was up 5 going for a major and got caught on his back in a scramble for 6. I give credit to Polakowski for winning but if I had to pick one to start next year it would be Moisey and it is not close.
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Ohh, I was just reminded by Flo that Moisey pinned Gilman. He is welcome here any time :)
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I remember screaming "CRADLE" watching that match!
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https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5511099-125-s-zeke-moisey-west-virginia-vs-thomas-gilman-iowa-thomas-gilman-zeke-moiseymov
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I will never, literally never, get tired of Gilman getting stuck.
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Brancale and Moisey should start a club
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Apr 18 2018, 04:48 PM
Look at PSU for an example....they have plenty of studs on the bench. Maybe not at 125-133 at the moment, but they will in the next two years when Teasdale, Young, Teske and eventually Busiello are on the roster for what is 2 weight classes. (I don't assume that any of them will beat N. Lee at this point and will have a hard time passing him up considering he spent his Sr. Year at the NLWC and just AA'd pretty high for a "true freshman"). We will see in the next year or two if Berge wasted a year or more of his elgibility sitting as I don't think he beats out Verkleeren in 18/19 and Joe Lee might give him a run for Nolf's spot in 19/20 as he has spent his Sr. Year wrestling at the NLWC too...plus he'll get a year of redshirting this year behind Nolf/Joseph.

Studs go there and sit. Maybe IA had this issue in the 70's and 80's with Gable, but with less teams now in D1 and D2, I wonder if PSU has a deeper well of "top 20" talent coming out of HS. Intermat did their final top 100 Seniors... 6 of 7 of PSU's guys were top 20. Minnesota had 2--Gable and Lee. McKee was next at 32 and Teske for PSU was at 37. To probably "equal" that level of recruiting, Minnesota would have probably had the following trade offs: Travis Wittlake-#2 (170) instead of Caden Steffen. David Carr #3 (152) instead of McIntosh. It would allow Lee and Carr to man 149 and 157 potentially. Wittlake would probably be 174 or 184. Gavin Hoffman #11 (195) instead of #87 Joles for 197. And probably #5 Joey Silva (132) instead of Gliva. Getting 6 of the top 20 means PSU has 30% of the top 20 wrestlers. With us already having 2 I had to kinda mix and match the 12 remaining guys to weights we recruited this year. Maybe not all pan out but excluding the six PSU got and trading our non-top 20 recruits (or at least 4 of them) shows how much different a recruiting class looks on paper.

Don't get me wrong, I hope all of our guys pan out and develop into studs that are all 4xAAs with some NC's in there too...the coaches have their work cut out for them, and although I am less optimistic when I see what PSU has and will be getting. I am hopeful we can steal a NC one of these years.
How much money do we have compared to baldy?
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Apr 19 2018, 08:09 PM
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Apr 18 2018, 04:48 PM
Look at PSU for an example....they have plenty of studs on the bench. Maybe not at 125-133 at the moment, but they will in the next two years when Teasdale, Young, Teske and eventually Busiello are on the roster for what is 2 weight classes. (I don't assume that any of them will beat N. Lee at this point and will have a hard time passing him up considering he spent his Sr. Year at the NLWC and just AA'd pretty high for a "true freshman"). We will see in the next year or two if Berge wasted a year or more of his elgibility sitting as I don't think he beats out Verkleeren in 18/19 and Joe Lee might give him a run for Nolf's spot in 19/20 as he has spent his Sr. Year wrestling at the NLWC too...plus he'll get a year of redshirting this year behind Nolf/Joseph.

Studs go there and sit. Maybe IA had this issue in the 70's and 80's with Gable, but with less teams now in D1 and D2, I wonder if PSU has a deeper well of "top 20" talent coming out of HS. Intermat did their final top 100 Seniors... 6 of 7 of PSU's guys were top 20. Minnesota had 2--Gable and Lee. McKee was next at 32 and Teske for PSU was at 37. To probably "equal" that level of recruiting, Minnesota would have probably had the following trade offs: Travis Wittlake-#2 (170) instead of Caden Steffen. David Carr #3 (152) instead of McIntosh. It would allow Lee and Carr to man 149 and 157 potentially. Wittlake would probably be 174 or 184. Gavin Hoffman #11 (195) instead of #87 Joles for 197. And probably #5 Joey Silva (132) instead of Gliva. Getting 6 of the top 20 means PSU has 30% of the top 20 wrestlers. With us already having 2 I had to kinda mix and match the 12 remaining guys to weights we recruited this year. Maybe not all pan out but excluding the six PSU got and trading our non-top 20 recruits (or at least 4 of them) shows how much different a recruiting class looks on paper.

Don't get me wrong, I hope all of our guys pan out and develop into studs that are all 4xAAs with some NC's in there too...the coaches have their work cut out for them, and although I am less optimistic when I see what PSU has and will be getting. I am hopeful we can steal a NC one of these years.
How much money do we have compared to baldy?
I don't know how much money we have, but I firmly believe some combination of the following is happening:

1--The "Cult of Cael"--similar to people wanting to wrestle for Gable, people want to wrestle for Cael---it's a huge draw--probably overstated for the studs that have to sit 1-3 years when they could be starters for multiple years at other schools.

2-The NLWC/Booster Club/Wrestling camp money seems to be "draw" for the more serious ones that plan to train for the Sr. level. I have a feeling some of that money is "promised" to recruits down the road.

3.- I am guessing #2 is allowing a lot of studs to "take less" scholarship money because of the finances down the road and their apt to want to wrestle for Cael.
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It seems to me you just commented on a thread that contained their wrestling budgets.
2.35 million for baldy
1.20 million for Minnesota.

I would guess that has something to do with it.
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Dog, there is also a 9M slush fund to play with.
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Dog, there is also a 9M slush fund to play with.
Where is that money stashed?
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Apr 21 2018, 08:52 AM
Dog, there is also a 9M slush fund to play with.
Where is that money stashed?
Wrestling club
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How does this not get investigated by the NCAA? There hasn't been this level of dominance by one team in quite some time....especially with less teams in NCAA Div 1. Think it's due to the NCAA just not caring as much by non-revenue sports?
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Apr 19 2018, 07:26 AM
"I'm sorry, but seriously, what are you guys talking about? How're we "very deep" at 141 and 149?"


From the roster:


Berg, James
149

Bergeland, Jakob
149

Bleise, Steve
149

Brancale, Ben
141/149

Brolsma, Carson
149

Jones, Brent
141

Marko, Hunter
149

Olson, Brenn
141

Patton, Miles
149

Thorn, Tommy
141

Volk, Gannon
141

Waterson, Tyler
149


Some may not be listed as 141-149 next year (Brolsma especially) but others will most likely be added.
Edited by Lew, Apr 21 2018, 04:10 PM.
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Berg, James
149

Bergeland, Jakob
149

Bleise, Steve
149

Brancale, Ben
141/149

Brolsma, Carson
149

Jones, Brent
141

Marko, Hunter
149

Olson, Brenn
141

Patton, Miles
149

Thorn, Tommy
141

Volk, Gannon
141

Waterson, Tyler
149


Some may not be listed as 141-149 next year (Brolsma especially) but others will most likely be added.
First off---Volk graduated.

Olson and Jones at 141 are coming off redshirts, lots to figure out how good they'll be. Same goes for Waterson/Bergeland at 149--all had pretty good redshirt years.

With Thorn going 149 and Bleise going 157 for their Sr. years, it allows us to redshirt the incoming redshirts around there. Brolsma was better at 165 (8-0) then other weights (3-5) this year. Maybe his last two years he stays at 165 for depth and injury protection with Allar being our only guys there.

Behind Bleise--Champange-RSo. and Crowe-RFr are there...Patton-Jr. had glimpses of promise, but he's probably never going to contend for a D1 AA spot. D2 or D3 would be the better shot for him to become an AA. Berg has never had a winning record as he enters his Jr. year--whether he is at 149 or 157 he's more of a "room guy". Brancale is entering his Jr. year and althoguh he had a good redshirt year--18-7 and decent year as a RFr. 10-8, but he was 8-9 this past year. Don't know if he's grown out of 141 permanently but he's probably depth and not a legit D1 ---AA candidate either. That kinda description can probably describe a lot of the following guys we have from 141-165:

Patton, Berg, Brancale, Brolsma..... and who knows with Marko who probably has the best HS credentials of the group but is only entering his RSo. year and was injured this year. If he can make 141 with Thorn and Bleise going up, maybe he can show us something--especially if they decide to redshirt M. McKee.

I'd love for Moisey to transfer here for his last year and Perry at 141. Moisey would give us another solid starter down low and him and Lizak would be good openers. Perry has two years left and could definitely allow us to redshirt McKee and would probably be a huge upgrade from Jones as a RFr. If other EMU guys came with Perry--Moen at 184 would be good for depth and even Smith at 149 (a former OH HS stud who had a fantastic RS year), it would give us a very good Plan B in case Thorn's injuries are long term or he doesn't take a step forward as he goes up in weight...
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You successfully took a couple kids out however kids will be coming in as well so those weights will have depth. Who's at 197? 125-133? I think we have problems at other weights to fill.
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125-33---If Moisey shows up for one year, it allows us to definitely redshirt P. McKee and it helps to have SPx2 as backups their last year....

We don't have a lot of depth at 197--Bobby, maybe Balow if he is healthy and wrestles next year..Joles will redshirt. Depends on if Webster redshirts (Anderson would probably start at 184).

I have no idea if Tim Christianson who is set to be a Jr. is still wrestling, he was on the roster, but no stats....C. O'Connor is set to be a Jr. he is still around for 197.

Maybe B. O'Reilly bulks up to 184 to compete with Anderson if Webster RS's...O'Reilly had a 22-8 record as a Redshirt...

Wouldn't leave a lot of depth behind Krone at 174 if O'Reilly went up to 184 to compete with Anderson.
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Apr 19 2018, 12:40 PM
Moisey was granted a release and Minnesota is one of the schools he is looking at per Flo.
Heard he was in Lincoln for a visit this weekend.
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Apr 21 2018, 04:07 PM
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Apr 19 2018, 07:26 AM
"I'm sorry, but seriously, what are you guys talking about? How're we "very deep" at 141 and 149?"


From the roster:


Berg, James
149

Bergeland, Jakob
149

Bleise, Steve
149

Brancale, Ben
141/149

Brolsma, Carson
149

Jones, Brent
141

Marko, Hunter
149

Olson, Brenn
141

Patton, Miles
149

Thorn, Tommy
141

Volk, Gannon
141

Waterson, Tyler
149


Some may not be listed as 141-149 next year (Brolsma especially) but others will most likely be added.
There’s a difference between having a lot of guys and being deep. Anyone can have a lot of guys. How many AA’s do you see out of that group? Thorns got 1 so far and from what we saw this year another looks unlikely.
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Apr 21 2018, 08:52 AM
Dog, there is also a 9M slush fund to play with.
Where is that money stashed?
6M with the Nittany Lion Wrestling Club (NLWC) which is a RTC, 3M with the Penn State Wrestling Club who provides socials.
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Moen is going to Mankato
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