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Apr 21 2018, 02:06 PM
How does this not get investigated by the NCAA? There hasn't been this level of dominance by one team in quite some time....especially with less teams in NCAA Div 1. Think it's due to the NCAA just not caring as much by non-revenue sports?
As much as we want to think PSU is cheating, I doubt it very much. They have exactly the same amount of money to spend on recruits as the U of MN.

I don't believe the PSU compliance office would look the other way about anything after everything that PSU sports have been through.

It's true that booster clubs can and do help wrestling programs, but the money available for college scholarships doesn't change by 1 cent regardless of how much a booster club raises.
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Robb was recently at Nebraska. Not sure if that has been said.
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You could be right but here is a list of schools listed in a 2018 NCAA corruption case just this year....

Duke
North Carolina
Texas
Kentucky
Michigan State
USC
Alabama
North Carolina State
Seton Hall
LSU
Maryland
Washington
Texas
South Carolina
Louisville
Utah
Xavier
Wichita State
Clemson
Kansas
Creighton
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Iowa State

It is not beyond reason to believe there could be impropriety and it makes me feel better.
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Mar 29 2018, 03:35 PM
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If Robb didn't want to be Gopher the first time around I don't see why people assume he wants to be now. If he decides against SDSU, I'd bet good money on him ending up in Lincoln.
If Robb didn’t want to be a Husker the first time around.....


He wanted to be a Jackrabbit coached by Bono and Reader. Circumstances obviously changed.
Grapple6, it was my prediction 3 weeks ago and it's still my prediction now :D
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Apr 23 2018, 07:55 AM
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Mar 29 2018, 03:26 PM
If Robb didn't want to be Gopher the first time around I don't see why people assume he wants to be now. If he decides against SDSU, I'd bet good money on him ending up in Lincoln.
If Robb didn’t want to be a Husker the first time around.....


He wanted to be a Jackrabbit coached by Bono and Reader. Circumstances obviously changed.
Grapple6, it was my prediction 3 weeks ago and it's still my prediction now :D
Thanks I forgot where you stood on the matter.
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I think the PSU/RTC issue is more a loophole than them actually committing a violation.

I also think they can offer kids less because a lot of these kids have dreams of an NCAA and World Championship. If that was my kid's goal my heart would want him to go to MN but my head would want him to go to PSU.
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Offering parents job oppertunities obviously helps as well for Penn State
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Apr 23 2018, 08:39 AM
Offering parents job oppertunities obviously helps as well for Penn State
It happens everywhere:
- David Carr's dad will be the head RTC coach for the Cyclones
- Lee Kemps son is going to Fresno St & Lee is moving out to CA & hopes to be brought on as the RTC coach

In college basketball you will see a big time recruits dads get hired when they are juniors in HS.

I believe The Gopher basketball team did that with Tyus Jones dad, but he decided to go play at UNC (or was it Duke?).
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Apr 23 2018, 08:39 AM
Offering parents job oppertunities obviously helps as well for Penn State
It happens everywhere:
- David Carr's dad will be the head RTC coach for the Cyclones
- Lee Kemps son is going to Fresno St & Lee is moving out to CA & hopes to be brought on as the RTC coach

In college basketball you will see a big time recruits dads get hired when they are juniors in HS.

I believe The Gopher basketball team did that with Tyus Jones dad, but he decided to go play at UNC (or was it Duke?).
It was basketball so it does not matter.
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Moisey to Nebraska
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Apr 23 2018, 07:08 AM
As much as we want to think PSU is cheating, I doubt it very much. They have exactly the same amount of money to spend on recruits as the U of MN.

And they also have 9M to spend on athletes once they've left school and are no longer under the purview of the NCAA. It matters little what percent schollie you're offered if the student loans are being paid off.
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Bringing money into the post-collegiate wrestling economy is a bad thing?

Could Minnesota do something similar? Are they doing something similar? I know all them guys ain't training for free.

I get the animosity of it. Morally and ethically, regarding the NCAA, it could be questionable. However, I can't justify saying, "Hey, we don't want more money for guys to train after college for World/Olympic aspirations."
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Then maybe the NCAA needs to close the loop holes, here is something simple. No RTC can be associated with (a scholarship offering institution). Coaches cannot overlap, they cannot train at the same location and the USOC should prevent them from accepting money from their college's RTC otherwise you lose your amateur status. If u go to PSU, you train somewhere else after college. If u go to OH St. you train somewhere else, same for MN Storm too...

This well-funded RTC loophole will continue to damage the sport. Not every RTC near a college like the U is funded like PSU....it should be stopped. One easier way is that a person cannot receive funding from their nearest RTC for up to 5 years after college or the school loses any accomplishment it earned with you on the roster, but that is IMPOSSIBLE cause the school would argue it can't be penalized for something you do after school....so I don't know what else you can do.
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Then maybe the NCAA needs to close the loop holes, here is something simple. No RTC can be associated with (a scholarship offering institution). Coaches cannot overlap, they cannot train at the same location and the USOC should prevent them from accepting money from their college's RTC otherwise you lose your amateur status. If u go to PSU, you train somewhere else after college. If u go to OH St. you train somewhere else, same for MN Storm too...

This well-funded RTC loophole will continue to damage the sport. Not every RTC near a college like the U is funded like PSU....it should be stopped. One easier way is that a person cannot receive funding from their nearest RTC for up to 5 years after college or the school loses any accomplishment it earned with you on the roster, but that is IMPOSSIBLE cause the school would argue it can't be penalized for something you do after school....so I don't know what else you can do.
So you want the USOC to harm itself for the betterment of the NCAA? That’s insane.
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Then maybe the NCAA needs to close the loop holes, here is something simple. No RTC can be associated with (a scholarship offering institution). Coaches cannot overlap, they cannot train at the same location and the USOC should prevent them from accepting money from their college's RTC otherwise you lose your amateur status. If u go to PSU, you train somewhere else after college. If u go to OH St. you train somewhere else, same for MN Storm too...

This well-funded RTC loophole will continue to damage the sport. Not every RTC near a college like the U is funded like PSU....it should be stopped. One easier way is that a person cannot receive funding from their nearest RTC for up to 5 years after college or the school loses any accomplishment it earned with you on the roster, but that is IMPOSSIBLE cause the school would argue it can't be penalized for something you do after school....so I don't know what else you can do.
So you want the USOC to harm itself for the betterment of the NCAA? That’s insane.
I am not saying you have to do any of those, I don't know how you prevent this ..although if RTC's can give money does that count as the same type of stipend as he USOC?
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If Robb didn't want to be Gopher the first time around I don't see why people assume he wants to be now. If he decides against SDSU, I'd bet good money on him ending up in Lincoln.
If Robb didn’t want to be a Husker the first time around.....


He wanted to be a Jackrabbit coached by Bono and Reader. Circumstances obviously changed.
Grapple6, it was my prediction 3 weeks ago and it's still my prediction now :D
Good call! Robb to Nebby.

May I ask, will the Vikings be in the super bowl in the next ten years?
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Robb to Nebraska, now the question is does Lloyd follow? Does he stay at SDSU? Or are the gophers an outside shot?
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So Nebraska got Moisey AND Robb this week as transfers?!!!
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Apr 23 2018, 09:16 AM
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Apr 23 2018, 08:39 AM
Offering parents job oppertunities obviously helps as well for Penn State
It happens everywhere:
- David Carr's dad will be the head RTC coach for the Cyclones
- Lee Kemps son is going to Fresno St & Lee is moving out to CA & hopes to be brought on as the RTC coach

In college basketball you will see a big time recruits dads get hired when they are juniors in HS.

I believe The Gopher basketball team did that with Tyus Jones dad, but he decided to go play at UNC (or was it Duke?).
David Carr's "Dad" is a three time NCAA champ,Olympic Bronze medalist, and an ISU alum. Lee Kemp is one of the best wrestlers the USA has ever produced. So these Dad hires for ISU and FSU are at least legit from a wrestling stand point. What does Hall's Dad actually do at PSU?
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Apr 23 2018, 08:39 AM
Offering parents job oppertunities obviously helps as well for Penn State
It happens everywhere:
- David Carr's dad will be the head RTC coach for the Cyclones
- Lee Kemps son is going to Fresno St & Lee is moving out to CA & hopes to be brought on as the RTC coach

In college basketball you will see a big time recruits dads get hired when they are juniors in HS.

I believe The Gopher basketball team did that with Tyus Jones dad, but he decided to go play at UNC (or was it Duke?).
David Carr's "Dad" is a three time NCAA champ,Olympic Bronze medalist, and an ISU alum. Lee Kemp is one of the best wrestlers the USA has ever produced. So these Dad hires for ISU and FSU are at least legit from a wrestling stand point. What does Hall's Dad actually do at PSU?
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Then maybe the NCAA needs to close the loop holes, here is something simple. No RTC can be associated with (a scholarship offering institution). Coaches cannot overlap, they cannot train at the same location and the USOC should prevent them from accepting money from their college's RTC otherwise you lose your amateur status. If u go to PSU, you train somewhere else after college. If u go to OH St. you train somewhere else, same for MN Storm too...

This well-funded RTC loophole will continue to damage the sport. Not every RTC near a college like the U is funded like PSU....it should be stopped. One easier way is that a person cannot receive funding from their nearest RTC for up to 5 years after college or the school loses any accomplishment it earned with you on the roster, but that is IMPOSSIBLE cause the school would argue it can't be penalized for something you do after school....so I don't know what else you can do.
So you want the USOC to harm itself for the betterment of the NCAA? That’s insane.
Exactly.

There is nothing stopping other institutions from using PSU's blue print.

Minnesota has a great relationship with Minnesota Storm, unfortunately Greco doesn't translate to folkstyle as well as freestyle does.
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I wonder how grappler6 will try to spin Moisey and Robb to Nebraska as a gopher positive.
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I wonder how grappler6 will try to spin Moisey and Robb to Nebraska as a gopher positive.
Feel free to worry less about my life whenever ya want.
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I wonder how grappler6 will try to spin Moisey and Robb to Nebraska as a gopher positive.
Feel free to worry less about my life whenever ya want.
I'll sure try.. I'm just pretty concerned about how chapped your lips must be.
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I wonder how grappler6 will try to spin Moisey and Robb to Nebraska as a gopher positive.
Feel free to worry less about my life whenever ya want.
I'll sure try.. I'm just pretty concerned about how chapped your lips must be.
They currently have adequate moisture.
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Gross, Hall, Berge, Venz, Stoll, Llyod, Robb, Kerkvliet, Okie State guy; forgot name, soon to be Kennedy..who else am I missing?

Anyways, that's 2 NCAA champs, 4 AA's and multiple time AA's. The Gophers had 1 AA last year.
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Gross, Hall, Berge, Venz, Stoll, Llyod, Robb, Kerkvliet, Okie State guy; forgot name, soon to be Kennedy..who else am I missing?

Anyways, that's 2 NCAA champs, 4 AA's and multiple time AA's. The Gophers had 1 AA last year.
But the Gophers have that new training facility..
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Gross, Hall, Berge, Venz, Stoll, Llyod, Robb, Kerkvliet, Okie State guy; forgot name, soon to be Kennedy..who else am I missing?

Anyways, that's 2 NCAA champs, 4 AA's and multiple time AA's. The Gophers had 1 AA last year.
Let’s be honest though. Stoll most likely wanted to start right away and we had kroells who stoll I don’t believe ever beat..might be wrong there. And between venz Webster and the okie state guy, Keegan Moore, who was the best prospect? Webster was. He had injuries during the season but he was a cadet WORLD bronze medalist who beat Keegan for the spot. Gross Berge and Hall were all major recruits who I would of loved to have seen in the maroon and gold or even the blue and corn* gold of SDSU but the cards didn’t fall that way. It happens..o wait gross did show up😎..AND MADE HISTORY!!! I would have loved to have seen Robb in the blue and corn gold but a man has to make the best choice for himself and he definately made a great decision in Nebraska..still have my fingers crossed for lloyd to show up in brookings! Think he’s gonna continue the great, growing success of Minnesotans at SDSU que Gross and Z! And now with Hahn as our head coach, I know it’s a pipe dream but, I pray to god that Kerkvliet will open up his recruitment and give Hahn a chance! I mean just look at his track record! And finally Kennedy. As much as I pray he’s either a gopher or jackrabbit, please give Hahn a chance, I just have a feeling he will be a hawk. They are gonna be a power house when he’s a true freshman and will have a spot for him to start instantly. Finally, former great Minnesota high school wrestlers that u missed off the top of my head are moen, tucker sjomeling, stiggows, Rodgers, buesgan, benick, fogarty, piehl, parriott, Norland, moores, eischens, and sykora
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Gross, Hall, Berge, Venz, Stoll, Llyod, Robb, Kerkvliet, Okie State guy; forgot name, soon to be Kennedy..who else am I missing?

Anyways, that's 2 NCAA champs, 4 AA's and multiple time AA's. The Gophers had 1 AA last year.
Let’s be honest though. Stoll most likely wanted to start right away and we had kroells who stoll I don’t believe ever beat..might be wrong there. And between venz Webster and the okie state guy, Keegan Moore, who was the best prospect? Webster was. He had injuries during the season but he was a cadet WORLD bronze medalist who beat Keegan for the spot. Gross Berge and Hall were all major recruits who I would of loved to have seen in the maroon and gold or even the blue and corn* gold of SDSU but the cards didn’t fall that way. It happens..o wait gross did show up😎..AND MADE HISTORY!!! I would have loved to have seen Robb in the blue and corn gold but a man has to make the best choice for himself and he definately made a great decision in Nebraska..still have my fingers crossed for lloyd to show up in brookings! Think he’s gonna continue the great, growing success of Minnesotans at SDSU que Gross and Z! And now with Hahn as our head coach, I know it’s a pipe dream but, I pray to god that Kerkvliet will open up his recruitment and give Hahn a chance! I mean just look at his track record! And finally Kennedy. As much as I pray he’s either a gopher or jackrabbit, please give Hahn a chance, I just have a feeling he will be a hawk. They are gonna be a power house when he’s a true freshman and will have a spot for him to start instantly. Finally, former great Minnesota high school wrestlers that u missed off the top of my head are moen, tucker sjomeling, stiggows, Rodgers, buesgan, benick, fogarty, piehl, parriott, Norland, moores, eischens, and sykora
Kroells never beat Stoll in college.. pretty sure it wasn't ever very close either.
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Gross, Hall, Berge, Venz, Stoll, Llyod, Robb, Kerkvliet, Okie State guy; forgot name, soon to be Kennedy..who else am I missing?

Anyways, that's 2 NCAA champs, 4 AA's and multiple time AA's. The Gophers had 1 AA last year.
Let’s be honest though. Stoll most likely wanted to start right away and we had kroells who stoll I don’t believe ever beat..might be wrong there. And between venz Webster and the okie state guy, Keegan Moore, who was the best prospect? Webster was. He had injuries during the season but he was a cadet WORLD bronze medalist who beat Keegan for the spot. Gross Berge and Hall were all major recruits who I would of loved to have seen in the maroon and gold or even the blue and corn* gold of SDSU but the cards didn’t fall that way. It happens..o wait gross did show up😎..AND MADE HISTORY!!! I would have loved to have seen Robb in the blue and corn gold but a man has to make the best choice for himself and he definately made a great decision in Nebraska..still have my fingers crossed for lloyd to show up in brookings! Think he’s gonna continue the great, growing success of Minnesotans at SDSU que Gross and Z! And now with Hahn as our head coach, I know it’s a pipe dream but, I pray to god that Kerkvliet will open up his recruitment and give Hahn a chance! I mean just look at his track record! And finally Kennedy. As much as I pray he’s either a gopher or jackrabbit, please give Hahn a chance, I just have a feeling he will be a hawk. They are gonna be a power house when he’s a true freshman and will have a spot for him to start instantly. Finally, former great Minnesota high school wrestlers that u missed off the top of my head are moen, tucker sjomeling, stiggows, Rodgers, buesgan, benick, fogarty, piehl, parriott, Norland, moores, eischens, and sykora
Kroells never beat Stoll in college.. pretty sure it wasn't ever very close either.
Well just looked it up. I knew that stoll never beat kroells in high school but wasn’t sure for college. After looking it up I found that kroells went against stoll once in college and lost 7-3. Still proud of our 3x AA over this regular season loss!!
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