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And all 5 of their NC's last year 2017 (and all we're finalists this year, 4NC's) ..were top 10 recruits.
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Does this mean they don't choke at Nationals?
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May 13 2018, 06:46 PM
Does this mean they don't choke at Nationals?
No, it means they're better wrestlers than everyone else.
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Flowrestling’s Class Ranking
https://www.flowrestling.org/rankings/6194310-2018-recruiting-class-rankings/28105-2018-recruiting-class-rankings


#3 - Minnesota Golden Gophers

5 year cycle: HM, #10, #3, #14, #16

Top 100 Recruits

#1-Gable Steveson, MN (285)

#13-Brayton Lee, IN (157)

#29-Ryan Thomas, OH (165)

#38-Patrick McKee, MN (125)

Others: Caleb Rea, WV (133/141); Jake Gliva, MN (141); Kasper McIntosh, IN (157/165); Caden Steffen, MN (184/197); Garrett Joles, WI (197)

Why They’re Here: If Gable isn't the best prospect in history (I think he is), he's in the conversation. He's performed 'up' a level every step of the way: State Finalist while in JR High, Junior World Champ while still a Cadet, college open champ while still in HS, Top 4 at SR US Open as a first-year Junior. He has already proven it by crushing college competition, and he's a title threat from day 1.

Brayton Lee should, at some point, also be in the mix for NCAA titles in the middle weights as a guy who spent his last two high school seasons at, or near, #1 status. Thomas won two of the nation's most prestigious events in Ironman and Super 32. And with the movement of Lizak and Mitch McKee, Patrick looks like the heir apparent to the Gophers' leadoff position.

Four Top 40's who look to be staples in one of the nation's powerhouses. I also think there's potential with McIntosh, who was very good, yet inconsistent in HS, and Joles, who dominated competition in his home state but competed sparingly on the national level.

Flashback Stat: If you're looking for a theory on why Minnesota's NCAA results have dipped recently, look no further than their #3 recruiting class of 2015. Bobby Steveson (ranked #11) hasn't been productive, Larry Early (#19) is at Old Dominion, and Fredy Stroker (#20) is at Cornell. Last year was the only year in the last ten where Minnesota didn't have a Top 16 class.
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It's hard to argue with PSU at number 1. They look like they could get 5-7 long term starters out of that class.

I like the Gophers combination of star power and depth.
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Amazing recruiting class but they absolutely have to back it up with another top 5 class.
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There is a good chunk of graduates next year. Not sure who all is sporting a lot of scholly money though. Thorn, Belise, Lunde, Petry, Balow,. Poski, Rose, Volk, Karaborni x2, Carr, Krone, and Lizak. At least 3 will be starters as many as 5 or 6 could be. I would think there would be some $$$$ available.
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May 14 2018, 11:52 AM
There is a good chunk of graduates next year. Not sure who all is sporting a lot of scholly money though. Thorn, Belise, Lunde, Petry, Balow,. Poski, Rose, Volk, Karaborni x2, Carr, Krone, and Lizak. At least 3 will be starters as many as 5 or 6 could be. I would think there would be some $$$$ available.
I believe Lunde, Carr, Karabonix2, Volkswagen and Rose all were honored at senior night and are done.
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They were listed as RS Juniors on the 17-18 roster. Makes sense they would be graduating though cause they finished year 4.
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Thorn, Belise, Petry, Balow, Poski,Carr, Krone, and Lizak.
Probably not a ton of money in this group. Lizak and Thorn were pretty good recruits. Belise might be getting some money, but probably not a ton. The rest are probably getting very little money each--if any are getting more than 1/4 of a scholarship that is some really bad money management.

Petry and Polakowski wrestled varsity only because Lizak was redshirting if I remember right that one year. Carr and Balow probably have what 1-2 matches combined on varsity and even their record in the opens hasn't been great. Krone started as a RS Fr. in a really bad year, then didn't start till this year...and wrestled out of his mind and made NCAA's at what is apparently a weight up. He will probably start this coming year, but isn't likely to be a huge AA candidate.
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May 14 2018, 11:52 AM
Thorn, Belise, Petry, Balow, Poski,Carr, Krone, and Lizak.
Probably not a ton of money in this group. Lizak and Thorn were pretty good recruits. Belise might be getting some money, but probably not a ton. The rest are probably getting very little money each--if any are getting more than 1/4 of a scholarship that is some really bad money management.

Petry and Polakowski wrestled varsity only because Lizak was redshirting if I remember right that one year. Carr and Balow probably have what 1-2 matches combined on varsity and even their record in the opens hasn't been great. Krone started as a RS Fr. in a really bad year, then didn't start till this year...and wrestled out of his mind and made NCAA's at what is apparently a weight up. He will probably start this coming year, but isn't likely to be a huge AA candidate.
Such a ray of sunshine.
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Sounds like Pickell really wants to be a Gopher! Question is where would he fit?
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May 14 2018, 11:52 AM
Thorn, Belise, Petry, Balow, Poski,Carr, Krone, and Lizak.
Probably not a ton of money in this group. Lizak and Thorn were pretty good recruits. Belise might be getting some money, but probably not a ton. The rest are probably getting very little money each--if any are getting more than 1/4 of a scholarship that is some really bad money management.

Petry and Polakowski wrestled varsity only because Lizak was redshirting if I remember right that one year. Carr and Balow probably have what 1-2 matches combined on varsity and even their record in the opens hasn't been great. Krone started as a RS Fr. in a really bad year, then didn't start till this year...and wrestled out of his mind and made NCAA's at what is apparently a weight up. He will probably start this coming year, but isn't likely to be a huge AA candidate.
Such a ray of sunshine.
It's called being realistic. If you want to pretend or think that those guys were top flight recruits that should have been given anywhere from half to full rides, then by all means, keep dreaming. At least half of these guys would probably not viewed as potential starters, let alone AA's.
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May 14 2018, 11:52 AM
Thorn, Belise, Petry, Balow, Poski,Carr, Krone, and Lizak.
Probably not a ton of money in this group. Lizak and Thorn were pretty good recruits. Belise might be getting some money, but probably not a ton. The rest are probably getting very little money each--if any are getting more than 1/4 of a scholarship that is some really bad money management.

Petry and Polakowski wrestled varsity only because Lizak was redshirting if I remember right that one year. Carr and Balow probably have what 1-2 matches combined on varsity and even their record in the opens hasn't been great. Krone started as a RS Fr. in a really bad year, then didn't start till this year...and wrestled out of his mind and made NCAA's at what is apparently a weight up. He will probably start this coming year, but isn't likely to be a huge AA candidate.
Such a ray of sunshine.
It's called being realistic. If you want to pretend or think that those guys were top flight recruits that should have been given anywhere from half to full rides, then by all means, keep dreaming. At least half of these guys would probably not viewed as potential starters, let alone AA's.
The issue people (certainly me) have with so many of your posts is you just can’t help revealing your true self.

If you really believed their presence within the program was irrelevant, you could simply choose to say nothing; couldn’t you? There are plenty of great thing to focus on.
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Sounds like Pickell really wants to be a Gopher! Question is where would he fit?
Heck yeah, bring him in at 141. The kid can scramble.
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May 14 2018, 11:52 AM
Thorn, Belise, Petry, Balow, Poski,Carr, Krone, and Lizak.
Probably not a ton of money in this group. Lizak and Thorn were pretty good recruits. Belise might be getting some money, but probably not a ton. The rest are probably getting very little money each--if any are getting more than 1/4 of a scholarship that is some really bad money management.

Petry and Polakowski wrestled varsity only because Lizak was redshirting if I remember right that one year. Carr and Balow probably have what 1-2 matches combined on varsity and even their record in the opens hasn't been great. Krone started as a RS Fr. in a really bad year, then didn't start till this year...and wrestled out of his mind and made NCAA's at what is apparently a weight up. He will probably start this coming year, but isn't likely to be a huge AA candidate.
Such a ray of sunshine.
It's called being realistic. If you want to pretend or think that those guys were top flight recruits that should have been given anywhere from half to full rides, then by all means, keep dreaming. At least half of these guys would probably not viewed as potential starters, let alone AA's.
I'm not sure what your complaint or point is. Scholarships are allocated before the year starts and aren't supposed to be adjusted based on performance (although this might happen indirectly in some cases, by breaking team rules, etc). Are you suggesting the Gophers don't use all their 9.9 this year because of your perceived under-performance? Scholarships are part of the annual budget...if you don't use them, you lose them. Every fully funded D1 program gets the same 9.9 to split up as they see fit. A non-NCAA qualifier type at a weak school might be getting a full-ride, whereas a potential national champ might be getting less money at a strong school. It might not be fair, it's just the way it works out budget wise.
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I guess I am just trying to speculate what kind of juice we have next year. It would be great to pull in 2-4 top guys next year to go with what I think is a great group this year. What should be our target weights?
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https://www.wrestlestat.com/team/42/minnesota/profile#elig

Wrestle stats eligibility breakdown.

Pretty crazy we have 9 recruits coming in and they are projected to cover all but one weight class. I think most feel confident about our big four (Gable, Lee, Thomas and McKee) finding their way into the starting lineup at some point and being productive. Joles is highly regarded by some media outlets, so perhaps a 5th starter out of the bunch. There is good depth and potential from the rest of the class and they will have an opportunity to find success.

133 is the obvious glaring need for this upcoming class.

141,149 next in line- if McKee redshirts that could change things. Having Marko in this weight range as a serviceable option helps.

174, potentially but moving one of Allar or Thomas up could delay that. Also not out of the question for Lee at 149 and Thomas at 157 to start their careers, which would make 174 a major need.

197, you probably look at an Amos type here. Come train with Gable and win titles together. If not a complete stud, we have a solid Joles waiting.

All the other weights we have 3 years of Eligibility or more out of our “projected” starters. Assuming Webster gets this past year back.

We will need some depth at 125 as well. Picking up a Svihel type would be good.
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Brandvold already putting that work in

https://twitter.com/pinnaclewrestle/status/996243730809147392
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Thorn, Belise, Petry, Balow, Poski,Carr, Krone, and Lizak.
Probably not a ton of money in this group. Lizak and Thorn were pretty good recruits. Belise might be getting some money, but probably not a ton. The rest are probably getting very little money each--if any are getting more than 1/4 of a scholarship that is some really bad money management.

Petry and Polakowski wrestled varsity only because Lizak was redshirting if I remember right that one year. Carr and Balow probably have what 1-2 matches combined on varsity and even their record in the opens hasn't been great. Krone started as a RS Fr. in a really bad year, then didn't start till this year...and wrestled out of his mind and made NCAA's at what is apparently a weight up. He will probably start this coming year, but isn't likely to be a huge AA candidate.
Such a ray of sunshine.
In theory he's complimenting the coaches for not pumping a bunch of money into that group :D
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Such a ray of sunshine.
It's called being realistic. If you want to pretend or think that those guys were top flight recruits that should have been given anywhere from half to full rides, then by all means, keep dreaming. At least half of these guys would probably not viewed as potential starters, let alone AA's.
I'm not sure what your complaint or point is. Scholarships are allocated before the year starts and aren't supposed to be adjusted based on performance (although this might happen indirectly in some cases, by breaking team rules, etc). Are you suggesting the Gophers don't use all their 9.9 this year because of your perceived under-performance? Scholarships are part of the annual budget...if you don't use them, you lose them. Every fully funded D1 program gets the same 9.9 to split up as they see fit. A non-NCAA qualifier type at a weak school might be getting a full-ride, whereas a potential national champ might be getting less money at a strong school. It might not be fair, it's just the way it works out budget wise.
Or you just give the wrestlers dad a job working for the head coaches Camps.

Or the promise of residency in the their regional training center after they graduate.

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It's called being realistic. If you want to pretend or think that those guys were top flight recruits that should have been given anywhere from half to full rides, then by all means, keep dreaming. At least half of these guys would probably not viewed as potential starters, let alone AA's.
I'm not sure what your complaint or point is. Scholarships are allocated before the year starts and aren't supposed to be adjusted based on performance (although this might happen indirectly in some cases, by breaking team rules, etc). Are you suggesting the Gophers don't use all their 9.9 this year because of your perceived under-performance? Scholarships are part of the annual budget...if you don't use them, you lose them. Every fully funded D1 program gets the same 9.9 to split up as they see fit. A non-NCAA qualifier type at a weak school might be getting a full-ride, whereas a potential national champ might be getting less money at a strong school. It might not be fair, it's just the way it works out budget wise.
Or you just give the wrestlers dad a job working for the head coaches Camps.

Or the promise of residency in the their regional training center after they graduate.

;)
Yes the Penn State situation kind of changes the whole recruiting scenario. While what they are doing may not be illegal currently, it is certainly an advantage.
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https://theguillotine.com/2018/05/the-guillotine-high-school-pfp-class-rankings-may-2018/

A look at the in state talent coming through. We have been spoiled the last few years.
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https://theguillotine.com/2018/05/the-guillotine-high-school-pfp-class-rankings-may-2018/

A look at the in state talent coming through. We have been spoiled the last few years.
I noticed Brady Gross avenged his state tournament loss to Cael Carlson at 152 last weekend.
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https://theguillotine.com/2018/05/the-guillotine-high-school-pfp-class-rankings-may-2018/

A look at the in state talent coming through. We have been spoiled the last few years.
While we may miss out on Pat Kennedy in 2020, the next three (Pickell, Thompson and Orlando) would be good gets. As well as Ballantyne and Sokol the next year.
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For those that find interest in reading about athletes that considered the Gophers proceed to the link below. If you don’t care, carry on.

http://www.toledoblade.com/High-School/2018/05/15/3-time-state-champ-Dylan-D-Emilio-to-wrestle-Ohio-State.html
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For those that find interest in reading about athletes that considered the Gophers proceed to the link below. If you don’t care, carry on.

http://www.toledoblade.com/High-School/2018/05/15/3-time-state-champ-Dylan-D-Emilio-to-wrestle-Ohio-State.html
Sounds like proximity to home was his deciding factor. That makes a lot of sense to me, and there’s also not a lot we can do about it. I wish him luck.
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I'm not sure what your complaint or point is. Scholarships are allocated before the year starts and aren't supposed to be adjusted based on performance (although this might happen indirectly in some cases, by breaking team rules, etc). Are you suggesting the Gophers don't use all their 9.9 this year because of your perceived under-performance? Scholarships are part of the annual budget...if you don't use them, you lose them. Every fully funded D1 program gets the same 9.9 to split up as they see fit. A non-NCAA qualifier type at a weak school might be getting a full-ride, whereas a potential national champ might be getting less money at a strong school. It might not be fair, it's just the way it works out budget wise.
Also need to look at the in-state/out-of-state mix for scholarship money. You can actually get more guys on scholarships if the big ones are in-state recruits. Total scholarship money is 9.9 x the average cost of a full-ride at the school (based on the total in-state/out-of-state mix).
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I'm not sure what your complaint or point is. Scholarships are allocated before the year starts and aren't supposed to be adjusted based on performance (although this might happen indirectly in some cases, by breaking team rules, etc). Are you suggesting the Gophers don't use all their 9.9 this year because of your perceived under-performance? Scholarships are part of the annual budget...if you don't use them, you lose them. Every fully funded D1 program gets the same 9.9 to split up as they see fit. A non-NCAA qualifier type at a weak school might be getting a full-ride, whereas a potential national champ might be getting less money at a strong school. It might not be fair, it's just the way it works out budget wise.
Also need to look at the in-state/out-of-state mix for scholarship money. You can actually get more guys on scholarships if the big ones are in-state recruits. Total scholarship money is 9.9 x the average cost of a full-ride at the school (based on the total in-state/out-of-state mix).
Not sure it goes that way. 1 scholarship equals either an out state or in state. Could be wrong but don't think so.
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I'm not sure what your complaint or point is. Scholarships are allocated before the year starts and aren't supposed to be adjusted based on performance (although this might happen indirectly in some cases, by breaking team rules, etc). Are you suggesting the Gophers don't use all their 9.9 this year because of your perceived under-performance? Scholarships are part of the annual budget...if you don't use them, you lose them. Every fully funded D1 program gets the same 9.9 to split up as they see fit. A non-NCAA qualifier type at a weak school might be getting a full-ride, whereas a potential national champ might be getting less money at a strong school. It might not be fair, it's just the way it works out budget wise.
Also need to look at the in-state/out-of-state mix for scholarship money. You can actually get more guys on scholarships if the big ones are in-state recruits. Total scholarship money is 9.9 x the average cost of a full-ride at the school (based on the total in-state/out-of-state mix).
Not sure it goes that way. 1 scholarship equals either an out state or in state. Could be wrong but don't think so.
Since in-state is almost half the price of out-state, sometimes a MN kid might take less than they would at an out of state institution. For Example a .5 scholie at MN might cost the kid less than a .75 scholie at, say, PSU would cost them. Plus it counts less towards the MN 9.9 cap. Win-win. Hope I'm explaining that right.
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