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I think McKee needs to wrestle picking up a AA contender. We have probably 7 AA contenders with a national title contender. That should contend for a team trophy if we wrestle well
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I could see 70pts as a real possibility. That’s if at least one guy scores around 20 on his own.
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All this talk of JRenteria got me thinking. What is Justin Mejia doing these days? Is he wrestling at Illinois?
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All this talk of JRenteria got me thinking. What is Justin Mejia doing these days? Is he wrestling at Illinois?
Gray shirted at Illinois this year. Will enroll there next season.
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https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6197668-a-decade-of-recruiting

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May 22 2018, 06:26 PM
I could see 70pts as a real possibility. That’s if at least one guy scores around 20 on his own.
What kind of drugs are you on and can I have some? Even if you assume that Russell and Gable are going to add 30 points (that’s a pretty generous assumption) that still only puts the Gophers at 57. Nevermind that Wanzek’s points are gone.
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I broke it down on another thread....If Lizak can do what he has already done and Gable does what he should that is almost 40 points right there. If the other 8 guys qualify. (which they can) and score an average of 3 points apiece that is 24 more. That is 64 points. Even if some guys fall flat, and others overachieve its still realistic. Is it going to happen, I do not know. Could it, absolutely. s
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I already have the results for next year if McKee wrestles:
82 points

125- Russell (9 points)
133- Lizak (15 points)
141 McKee(12 points)
149 Thorn (9 points)
157 Bleise (6 points)
165 Allar (3 points)
174 Krone (3 points)
184 Webster (2 ponts)
197 Stevenson (0 points)
285 Stevenson (23 points)
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I already have the results for next year if McKee wrestles:
82 points

125- Russell (9 points)
133- Lizak (15 points)
141 McKee(12 points)
149 Thorn (9 points)
157 Bleise (6 points)
165 Allar (3 points)
174 Krone (3 points)
184 Webster (2 ponts)
197 Stevenson (0 points)
285 Stevenson (23 points)
Russell scored 2.5 this year, so you're jumping him all the way from a round of 16 guy, to a top 6 guy.

Lizak's 15 is fair.

Mckee scored 3 points last year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 6 of the 8 All Americans and have him going from an overachieving round of 12 guy, to a top 5 or 6 guy.

Thorn scored 0 points last year and even the year in which he did All American he scored 7.5. So you're moving him up a weight and are moving him from going 0-2, to being a top 7 guy.

Bleise scored 1.5 points this year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 7 of the 8 All Americans and you're turning him from a guy who theoretically went 1-2, to a guy who is an All American.

Allar hasn't wrestled a match yet and you're giving him roughly 4 wins at the national tournament

Krone scored 1 point at last year's national tournament. He could score 3, but I would definitely put that on the optimistic side.

If Webster is healthy I would say 2 points is pretty fair.

Gable's points are close, but once again 23 is probably about the top end of what he can score.


Between Russell, McKee, Thorn, Bleise, and Krone you're adding 30.5 points off of what they scored last year. That's an average of 6 points a guy and it's not like these guys are young and are likely to see big jumps in development. They've all used up at least half of their eligibility. An extra 6 team points at the national tournament is a hell of a lot harder to come by than most people might think.

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I already have the results for next year if McKee wrestles:
82 points

125- Russell (9 points)
133- Lizak (15 points)
141 McKee(12 points)
149 Thorn (9 points)
157 Bleise (6 points)
165 Allar (3 points)
174 Krone (3 points)
184 Webster (2 ponts)
197 Stevenson (0 points)
285 Stevenson (23 points)
Russell scored 2.5 this year, so you're jumping him all the way from a round of 16 guy, to a top 6 guy.

Lizak's 15 is fair.

Mckee scored 3 points last year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 6 of the 8 All Americans and have him going from an overachieving round of 12 guy, to a top 5 or 6 guy.

Thorn scored 0 points last year and even the year in which he did All American he scored 7.5. So you're moving him up a weight and are moving him from going 0-2, to being a top 7 guy.

Bleise scored 1.5 points this year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 7 of the 8 All Americans and you're turning him from a guy who theoretically went 1-2, to a guy who is an All American.

Allar hasn't wrestled a match yet and you're giving him roughly 4 wins at the national tournament

Krone scored 1 point at last year's national tournament. He could score 3, but I would definitely put that on the optimistic side.

If Webster is healthy I would say 2 points is pretty fair.

Gable's points are close, but once again 23 is probably about the top end of what he can score.


Between Russell, McKee, Thorn, Bleise, and Krone you're adding 30.5 points off of what they scored last year. That's an average of 6 points a guy and it's not like these guys are young and are likely to see big jumps in development. They've all used up at least half of their eligibility. An extra 6 team points at the national tournament is a hell of a lot harder to come by than most people might think.

3.5 points is about the difference between a r12 and a 7-8th place finisher. That increases by 2-3 depending on when they get knocked down to the consie bracket and doesn't account for any bonus points. 6 points for a guy is a lot, but to say it is not possible is just plain wrong.
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May 23 2018, 11:11 AM
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I already have the results for next year if McKee wrestles:
82 points

125- Russell (9 points)
133- Lizak (15 points)
141 McKee(12 points)
149 Thorn (9 points)
157 Bleise (6 points)
165 Allar (3 points)
174 Krone (3 points)
184 Webster (2 ponts)
197 Stevenson (0 points)
285 Stevenson (23 points)
Russell scored 2.5 this year, so you're jumping him all the way from a round of 16 guy, to a top 6 guy.

Lizak's 15 is fair.

Mckee scored 3 points last year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 6 of the 8 All Americans and have him going from an overachieving round of 12 guy, to a top 5 or 6 guy.

Thorn scored 0 points last year and even the year in which he did All American he scored 7.5. So you're moving him up a weight and are moving him from going 0-2, to being a top 7 guy.

Bleise scored 1.5 points this year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 7 of the 8 All Americans and you're turning him from a guy who theoretically went 1-2, to a guy who is an All American.

Allar hasn't wrestled a match yet and you're giving him roughly 4 wins at the national tournament

Krone scored 1 point at last year's national tournament. He could score 3, but I would definitely put that on the optimistic side.

If Webster is healthy I would say 2 points is pretty fair.

Gable's points are close, but once again 23 is probably about the top end of what he can score.


Between Russell, McKee, Thorn, Bleise, and Krone you're adding 30.5 points off of what they scored last year. That's an average of 6 points a guy and it's not like these guys are young and are likely to see big jumps in development. They've all used up at least half of their eligibility. An extra 6 team points at the national tournament is a hell of a lot harder to come by than most people might think.

3.5 points is about the difference between a r12 and a 7-8th place finisher. That increases by 2-3 depending on when they get knocked down to the consie bracket and doesn't account for any bonus points. 6 points for a guy is a lot, but to say it is not possible is just plain wrong.
Definitely not saying it’s impossible for it to happen for a guy, but the odds of it happening for half of your lineup are pretty close.
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I already have the results for next year if McKee wrestles:
82 points

125- Russell (9 points)
133- Lizak (15 points)
141 McKee(12 points)
149 Thorn (9 points)
157 Bleise (6 points)
165 Allar (3 points)
174 Krone (3 points)
184 Webster (2 ponts)
197 Stevenson (0 points)
285 Stevenson (23 points)
Russell scored 2.5 this year, so you're jumping him all the way from a round of 16 guy, to a top 6 guy.

Lizak's 15 is fair.

Mckee scored 3 points last year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 6 of the 8 All Americans and have him going from an overachieving round of 12 guy, to a top 5 or 6 guy.

Thorn scored 0 points last year and even the year in which he did All American he scored 7.5. So you're moving him up a weight and are moving him from going 0-2, to being a top 7 guy.

Bleise scored 1.5 points this year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 7 of the 8 All Americans and you're turning him from a guy who theoretically went 1-2, to a guy who is an All American.

Allar hasn't wrestled a match yet and you're giving him roughly 4 wins at the national tournament

Krone scored 1 point at last year's national tournament. He could score 3, but I would definitely put that on the optimistic side.

If Webster is healthy I would say 2 points is pretty fair.

Gable's points are close, but once again 23 is probably about the top end of what he can score.


Between Russell, McKee, Thorn, Bleise, and Krone you're adding 30.5 points off of what they scored last year. That's an average of 6 points a guy and it's not like these guys are young and are likely to see big jumps in development. They've all used up at least half of their eligibility. An extra 6 team points at the national tournament is a hell of a lot harder to come by than most people might think.

Russell and Thorn were also AA's in 2017. So just looking at their 2018 doesn't do them justice. Plus both weights have lost top guys (149 has been depleted due to Zain) so yes, I think both those guys could be top 6 guys.

McKee, I don't think is wrestling, but I know he's a pinner and he's gotta AA one of these years. So I like his points.

Bliese was a rd of 12 guy twice. Getting over the hump his senior year in a relatively weak weight should be obtainable.

Lastly, you are not accounting for bonus points in any of these scenarios. a wrestler getting three points is not crazy (ie Allar, Krone, Webster) a pin in the first rd is worth that.

I really didn't think I was too optimistic, but one of these guys could very well outperform this as well! (Lizak, Bobby, Allar)
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Bliese is at a weak weight? That weight likely returns 7 of the 8 guys who made AA last year! I do think Bliese looked good when I watched him at the Open and I think he has potential but to say that he is in a "relatively weak weight" is he's going to wrestle 157 is crazy. Here is the list of underclassmen who placed at that weight last year: Nolf, Hidlay, Pantaleo, Micah Jordan, Kemmerer, Shields and Berger. I'm not sure there's a "relatively" stronger weight next year.
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Nolf, Hidlay, Pantaleo.

Kemerer and Micha are moving weights.

Berger and Shields I have never been impressed with. Berger was not very good last year.

So yes, still believe Bliese is in that AA group to start the year.
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Nolf, Hidlay, Pantaleo.

Kemerer and Micha are moving weights.

Berger and Shields I have never been impressed with. Berger was not very good last year.

So yes, still believe Bliese is in that AA group to start the year.
Ryan Deakin is probably bumping up to 157, for what it’s worth.
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I already have the results for next year if McKee wrestles:
82 points

125- Russell (9 points)
133- Lizak (15 points)
141 McKee(12 points)
149 Thorn (9 points)
157 Bleise (6 points)
165 Allar (3 points)
174 Krone (3 points)
184 Webster (2 ponts)
197 Stevenson (0 points)
285 Stevenson (23 points)
Russell scored 2.5 this year, so you're jumping him all the way from a round of 16 guy, to a top 6 guy.

Lizak's 15 is fair.

Mckee scored 3 points last year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 6 of the 8 All Americans and have him going from an overachieving round of 12 guy, to a top 5 or 6 guy.

Thorn scored 0 points last year and even the year in which he did All American he scored 7.5. So you're moving him up a weight and are moving him from going 0-2, to being a top 7 guy.

Bleise scored 1.5 points this year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 7 of the 8 All Americans and you're turning him from a guy who theoretically went 1-2, to a guy who is an All American.

Allar hasn't wrestled a match yet and you're giving him roughly 4 wins at the national tournament

Krone scored 1 point at last year's national tournament. He could score 3, but I would definitely put that on the optimistic side.

If Webster is healthy I would say 2 points is pretty fair.

Gable's points are close, but once again 23 is probably about the top end of what he can score.


Between Russell, McKee, Thorn, Bleise, and Krone you're adding 30.5 points off of what they scored last year. That's an average of 6 points a guy and it's not like these guys are young and are likely to see big jumps in development. They've all used up at least half of their eligibility. An extra 6 team points at the national tournament is a hell of a lot harder to come by than most people might think.

Russell and Thorn were also AA's in 2017. So just looking at their 2018 doesn't do them justice. Plus both weights have lost top guys (149 has been depleted due to Zain) so yes, I think both those guys could be top 6 guys.

McKee, I don't think is wrestling, but I know he's a pinner and he's gotta AA one of these years. So I like his points.

Bliese was a rd of 12 guy twice. Getting over the hump his senior year in a relatively weak weight should be obtainable.

Lastly, you are not accounting for bonus points in any of these scenarios. a wrestler getting three points is not crazy (ie Allar, Krone, Webster) a pin in the first rd is worth that.

I really didn't think I was too optimistic, but one of these guys could very well outperform this as well! (Lizak, Bobby, Allar)
So last year doesn't do Russell and Thorn justice, but 2 years ago does? That makes a ton of sense. I would buy that if they both had stellar years and just happened to fall flat on at the national tournament, but last year they both performed at the national tournament the way they had all year.

Your reasoning for McKee making All American is "He's gotta AA one of these years." If that's not an evidence based conclusion then I don't know what is . . .


I would take all of the money I own and bet the under on your 82 points and then I would go to the bank and take out every penny they would lend me and come back for seconds.
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I would take all of the money I own and bet the under on your 82 points and then I would go to the bank and take out every penny they would lend me and come back for seconds.
Never bet or invest on margin.
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I would take all of the money I own and bet the under on your 82 points and then I would go to the bank and take out every penny they would lend me and come back for seconds.
Never bet or invest on margin.
How about 81 pts?
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I already have the results for next year if McKee wrestles:
82 points

125- Russell (9 points)
133- Lizak (15 points)
141 McKee(12 points)
149 Thorn (9 points)
157 Bleise (6 points)
165 Allar (3 points)
174 Krone (3 points)
184 Webster (2 ponts)
197 Stevenson (0 points)
285 Stevenson (23 points)
Russell scored 2.5 this year, so you're jumping him all the way from a round of 16 guy, to a top 6 guy.

Lizak's 15 is fair.

Mckee scored 3 points last year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 6 of the 8 All Americans and have him going from an overachieving round of 12 guy, to a top 5 or 6 guy.

Thorn scored 0 points last year and even the year in which he did All American he scored 7.5. So you're moving him up a weight and are moving him from going 0-2, to being a top 7 guy.

Bleise scored 1.5 points this year. So you're bumping him up to a weight that returns 7 of the 8 All Americans and you're turning him from a guy who theoretically went 1-2, to a guy who is an All American.

Allar hasn't wrestled a match yet and you're giving him roughly 4 wins at the national tournament

Krone scored 1 point at last year's national tournament. He could score 3, but I would definitely put that on the optimistic side.

If Webster is healthy I would say 2 points is pretty fair.

Gable's points are close, but once again 23 is probably about the top end of what he can score.


Between Russell, McKee, Thorn, Bleise, and Krone you're adding 30.5 points off of what they scored last year. That's an average of 6 points a guy and it's not like these guys are young and are likely to see big jumps in development. They've all used up at least half of their eligibility. An extra 6 team points at the national tournament is a hell of a lot harder to come by than most people might think.

Russell and Thorn were also AA's in 2017. So just looking at their 2018 doesn't do them justice. Plus both weights have lost top guys (149 has been depleted due to Zain) so yes, I think both those guys could be top 6 guys.

McKee, I don't think is wrestling, but I know he's a pinner and he's gotta AA one of these years. So I like his points.

Bliese was a rd of 12 guy twice. Getting over the hump his senior year in a relatively weak weight should be obtainable.

Lastly, you are not accounting for bonus points in any of these scenarios. a wrestler getting three points is not crazy (ie Allar, Krone, Webster) a pin in the first rd is worth that.

I really didn't think I was too optimistic, but one of these guys could very well outperform this as well! (Lizak, Bobby, Allar)
So last year doesn't do Russell and Thorn justice, but 2 years ago does? That makes a ton of sense. I would buy that if they both had stellar years and just happened to fall flat on at the national tournament, but last year they both performed at the national tournament the way they had all year.

Your reasoning for McKee making All American is "He's gotta AA one of these years." If that's not an evidence based conclusion then I don't know what is . . .


I would take all of the money I own and bet the under on your 82 points and then I would go to the bank and take out every penny they would lend me and come back for seconds.
I think what you’re missing is that it’s okay to be a little optimistic about your favorite team during the offseason.

That’s what fans do.
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Dude can't make up his own points, just bashes everyone else's opinion.

How bout you actually put an opinion on here and I'll bet the over.

I'll certainly bet the over on Russell/Thorn point total from last year, but apparently with your logic their AA year didn't count for anything and they just forgot how to wrestle therefore they're done.
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Lizak went 2-2 as a freshman.

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"So you're bumping a guy the overachieved at 2-2 in the National tourney to a top 5 guy in a stacked weight?"

I guess if you don't AA one year that means you're stuck there, no improving, AA is certainly out of the questions. Man, you're on to something...
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Skatzka bio. 4 time Michigan state champ. Looks like he has 2 years left.

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At 6' has frame to go 74 or 84 I would think..
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Nice addition to the room for depth but I think Krone and Webster will both beat him out at either 74 or 84
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Nice addition to the room for depth but I think Krone and Webster will both beat him out at either 74 or 84
A freestyle match from 2017 WTT at 84 kg (184.8 lbs) for what it's worth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVMWrwAS34k

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Nice addition to the room for depth but I think Krone and Webster will both beat him out at either 74 or 84
Time will tell and obviously may the best man win.

I would favor Skatska over Krone at this point though. Skatska was 2-0 against Pfarr during his career. Pfarr beat Krone 5-0 last season.
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