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If you have to ask your not a good enough fan.
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If you have to ask your not a good enough fan.
Nah, I think if you have to ask, it has to be pretty sad that it was 5 years ago since we got our last top 5 or 10 recruit. Probably shows us what elite recruits think of MN now days...unfortunately.
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If you have to ask your not a good enough fan.
Nah, I think if you have to ask, it has to be pretty sad that it was 5 years ago since we got our last top 5 or 10 recruit. Probably shows us what elite recruits think of MN now days...unfortunately.
You can make it as negative as you would like to think it is
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If you have to ask your not a good enough fan.
Nah, I think if you have to ask, it has to be pretty sad that it was 5 years ago since we got our last top 5 or 10 recruit. Probably shows us what elite recruits think of MN now days...unfortunately.
You can make it as negative as you would like to think it is
I don't think DWB is negative at all. The recruiting results tell the story and the FACT is that over the last 4-5 years, the Gophers have built a team that ends up 17th in the nation and cannot compete with Iowa, Okla St., Penn State, Ohio State, Cornell and others any longer.

Can recruiting be improved upon? If it can, how is that going to happen. What needs to change.
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I still think you lose some recruits when you already have studs in place like Schiller, Storley, Ness, Dardaines. PSU maybe hasn't felt it yet but they are bound to. I don't think it's always recruiting ability as much as what's available whether it be scholly, education, wrestling partners, opportunity to start, enviroment, etc.
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Sounds like the Gopher's Staff has some representation out at FloNationals this weekend. Possibly out there to watch our recruits at the Dapper Dan, but nice to know they make the stop and hopefully plant a few seeds.
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Mar 25 2016, 04:10 PM
If you have to ask your not a good enough fan.
Nah, I think if you have to ask, it has to be pretty sad that it was 5 years ago since we got our last top 5 or 10 recruit. Probably shows us what elite recruits think of MN now days...unfortunately.
You can make it as negative as you would like to think it is
I don't think DWB is negative at all. The recruiting results tell the story and the FACT is that over the last 4-5 years, the Gophers have built a team that ends up 17th in the nation and cannot compete with Iowa, Okla St., Penn State, Ohio State, Cornell and others any longer.

Can recruiting be improved upon? If it can, how is that going to happen. What needs to change.
Your right rapidj157---but you have to excuse gopherfan149 and probably grappler6 and about a dozen other posters on here....you see they wear these old specs that have maroon tinted lenses and these earplugs with mini-gophers emblems on them so they don't hear any criticism about their beloved Gophers.

If you criticize the Gophers, or the Vikings, Twins, Wolves, or Wild it doesn't mean you aren't a huge fan and supportive of them, you are just being subjectively analyzing the situations involved and the Gopher wrestling team has some problems---I and many others don't think the coaches are getting it down in a complete fashion. Yes B. Pfarr improved dramatically and Kroells did too--even if just one place on the AA platform for Kroells--his record and overall performance was better, hwt. was loaded this year.

The recruiting needs to expand beyond the Midwest. I think mixing some in with the best of MN is the best way to go and the best way to get back into the top 5 and be a contender for the NC. We are one of the few teams to win the NC but we now have to contend with a recent power (PSU) as well as IA/Ok. St./OH St/Cornell....

Coaching, well, I think adding someone would help. I am sure they all know their stuff but maybe a better National recruiter as well as a different method of wrestling would be helpful.

Training methods and style would have to be adjusted as the coaches see fit, but I think they do this the best with the exception of offensive performance by some---maybe some wrestlers need to be sat or bump up a weight to get a better, consistent performance, definitely a more aggressive style. It is obvious that PSU has a much more aggressive, fun style. This and better performance nationally will help recruiting.
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I don't need you to speak for or excuse me. It's not my fault so many of you are so short sighted
Edited by gopherfan149, Mar 26 2016, 01:32 PM.
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Fire J-Rob, lol. The guy would be out of work for like 10 seconds before getting major offers.
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Mar 26 2016, 12:36 PM
I still think you lose some recruits when you already have studs in place like Schiller, Storley, Ness, Dardaines. PSU maybe hasn't felt it yet but they are bound to. I don't think it's always recruiting ability as much as what's available whether it be scholly, education, wrestling partners, opportunity to start, enviroment, etc.
This sounds like an excuse to accept mediocrity. No other team that consistently finishes in the top 5 has this problem. With the exception of maybe one weight out of ten, the top programs just inset another AA or AA candidate when they graduate an AA.


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below are the representatives from Team USA that considered the Gophers at some point in their recruiting process to my knowledge. Gophers landed two, but 7 of the best in the nation had interest in MN. I understand that nobody ever gets everybody they want, even Penn State. My contention has always been that I will be more concerned when we are no longer in the convo for top recruits. MN is still very much in the conversation. Many don't realize nor appreciate the amount of time and energy that the MN staff(or any staff) puts into recruiting.

182 Keegan Moore
195 Sam Colbray
285 Shawn Streck
138 Mitchell McKee
145 Hunter Marko
152 Griffin Parriott
170 Mark Hall II

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below are the representatives from Team USA that considered the Gophers at some point in their recruiting process to my knowledge. Gophers landed two, but 7 of the best in the nation had interest in MN. I understand that no sure ever gets everybody they want, even Penn State. My contention has always been that I will be more concerned when we are no longer in the convo for top recruits. MN is still very much in the conversation. Many don't realize nor appreciate the amount of time and energy that the MN staff(or any staff) puts into recruiting.

182 Keegan Moore
195 Sam Colbray
285 Shawn Streck
138 Mitchell McKee
145 Hunter Marko
152 Griffin Parriott
170 Mark Hall II

I don't Keegan ever considered the Gophers...
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below are the representatives from Team USA that considered the Gophers at some point in their recruiting process to my knowledge. Gophers landed two, but 7 of the best in the nation had interest in MN. I understand that no sure ever gets everybody they want, even Penn State. My contention has always been that I will be more concerned when we are no longer in the convo for top recruits. MN is still very much in the conversation. Many don't realize nor appreciate the amount of time and energy that the MN staff(or any staff) puts into recruiting.

182 Keegan Moore
195 Sam Colbray
285 Shawn Streck
138 Mitchell McKee
145 Hunter Marko
152 Griffin Parriott
170 Mark Hall II

I don't Keegan ever considered the Gophers...
According to his flo recruiting profile MN was in his original list of 7. MN was not among his final 5.
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below are the representatives from Team USA that considered the Gophers at some point in their recruiting process to my knowledge. Gophers landed two, but 7 of the best in the nation had interest in MN. I understand that nobody ever gets everybody they want, even Penn State. My contention has always been that I will be more concerned when we are no longer in the convo for top recruits. MN is still very much in the conversation. Many don't realize nor appreciate the amount of time and energy that the MN staff(or any staff) puts into recruiting.

182 Keegan Moore
195 Sam Colbray
285 Shawn Streck
138 Mitchell McKee
145 Hunter Marko
152 Griffin Parriott
170 Mark Hall II

Hall is the only one to shed a tear about on that list.

They better land Berge next season though. The the following season Gable & Bravo Young come in with Lloyd hopefully.

I'm curious to whom they go after next season. Berge is the only big time MN recruit and Jones is a beast too.

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If you have to ask your not a good enough fan.
Nah, I think if you have to ask, it has to be pretty sad that it was 5 years ago since we got our last top 5 or 10 recruit. Probably shows us what elite recruits think of MN now days...unfortunately.
You can make it as negative as you would like to think it is
I don't think DWB is negative at all. The recruiting results tell the story and the FACT is that over the last 4-5 years, the Gophers have built a team that ends up 17th in the nation and cannot compete with Iowa, Okla St., Penn State, Ohio State, Cornell and others any longer.

Can recruiting be improved upon? If it can, how is that going to happen. What needs to change.
EVERYBODY loved Ortiz....EVERYBODY loved the recruiting class of Short and Wanzek. NOBODY complained about Gopher recruiting until this year. Some people just like to jump on the debby downer train. Welcome aboard!
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You can make it as negative as you would like to think it is
I don't think DWB is negative at all. The recruiting results tell the story and the FACT is that over the last 4-5 years, the Gophers have built a team that ends up 17th in the nation and cannot compete with Iowa, Okla St., Penn State, Ohio State, Cornell and others any longer.

Can recruiting be improved upon? If it can, how is that going to happen. What needs to change.
Your right rapidj157---but you have to excuse gopherfan149 and probably grappler6 and about a dozen other posters on here....you see they wear these old specs that have maroon tinted lenses and these earplugs with mini-gophers emblems on them so they don't hear any criticism about their beloved Gophers.

If you criticize the Gophers, or the Vikings, Twins, Wolves, or Wild it doesn't mean you aren't a huge fan and supportive of them, you are just being subjectively analyzing the situations involved and the Gopher wrestling team has some problems---I and many others don't think the coaches are getting it down in a complete fashion. Yes B. Pfarr improved dramatically and Kroells did too--even if just one place on the AA platform for Kroells--his record and overall performance was better, hwt. was loaded this year.

The recruiting needs to expand beyond the Midwest. I think mixing some in with the best of MN is the best way to go and the best way to get back into the top 5 and be a contender for the NC. We are one of the few teams to win the NC but we now have to contend with a recent power (PSU) as well as IA/Ok. St./OH St/Cornell....

Coaching, well, I think adding someone would help. I am sure they all know their stuff but maybe a better National recruiter as well as a different method of wrestling would be helpful.

Training methods and style would have to be adjusted as the coaches see fit, but I think they do this the best with the exception of offensive performance by some---maybe some wrestlers need to be sat or bump up a weight to get a better, consistent performance, definitely a more aggressive style. It is obvious that PSU has a much more aggressive, fun style. This and better performance nationally will help recruiting.
Why do you post 100 sentences when you could post one or two and make more sense?
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I'm still waiting for a hater to tell me specifically what new coaches should specifically teach different in practice. Like what are the coaches showing wrong right now and who would show these specific things better? Or are they just blanket haters?
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I'm still waiting for a hater to tell me specifically what new coaches should specifically teach different in practice. Like what are the coaches showing wrong right now and who would show these specific things better? Or are they just blanket haters?
"evolving" is ankle biting. Hate to say this, but Iowa wrestling has not changed anything in the last 25 years and they are still top notch. So is MN. Keyboard warriors are the downfall...they are irrelevant though.
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Mar 26 2016, 12:36 PM
I still think you lose some recruits when you already have studs in place like Schiller, Storley, Ness, Dardaines. PSU maybe hasn't felt it yet but they are bound to. I don't think it's always recruiting ability as much as what's available whether it be scholly, education, wrestling partners, opportunity to start, enviroment, etc.
Garbage everyone knew we'd lose all those guys in 2015 but we had NOTHING on the bench to replace them. Had we had freshmen who redshirted in 2015 and stepped in this year I get it but we had Thorn and a bunch of patchwork starters. Stop making excuses for the coaching staff screwing up the recruiting and having nothing on the shelf to replace those guys.
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I'm still waiting for a hater to tell me specifically what new coaches should specifically teach different in practice. Like what are the coaches showing wrong right now and who would show these specific things better? Or are they just blanket haters?
They could teach an attacking offensive style and the ability to get out from bottom for starters. They could teach how to go on the offensive before the last 15 seconds when you are down by 4 or more. Is that specific enough?
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I smell a DWEEB post coming
One that says he's a bigger "small man" cuz we know his name?
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I'm still waiting for a hater to tell me specifically what new coaches should specifically teach different in practice. Like what are the coaches showing wrong right now and who would show these specific things better? Or are they just blanket haters?
They could teach an attacking offensive style and the ability to get out from bottom for starters. They could teach how to go on the offensive before the last 15 seconds when you are down by 4 or more. Is that specific enough?
No.

Specifically means with detail. Coaching isn't just showing up and say "hey gopher, attack a little more and for the love of god get out on bottom"

Are they positioning their hands wrong, bad set ups, what specifically do they need to teach? Details about what moves are important? Anyone who's coached knows the details are important. You can't say attack more, otherwise J would just yell "harder" and "pin him" and win all the time.
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EVERYBODY loved Ortiz....EVERYBODY loved the recruiting class of Short and Wanzek. NOBODY complained about Gopher recruiting until this year. Some people just like to jump on the debby downer train. Welcome aboard!


[/quote]A lot of people loved Dolezal too, Tommy Owen, the Geiger/Mason/Disney class? Heck people were pumped about getting Kuhlman in the same class with CP/Rivera/Reiter/Kish....but his career wasn't as successful as the other 4.

Not every top recruit pans out, but the point is, that ever since that class with Geiger/Mason, et al. it seems like the recruiting has closed ranks around only midwestern guys and it seems like WI and ND has been pretty disappointing outside Konrad---SD produced Storley while IA produced Reiter and HOPEFULLY Stroker, IL-Dardanes bros. Very little outside that area recruiting success is going on. I count ONLY Lizak as recruited wrestlers from outside the Midwest. The other guys probably are "walk-ons" and "room guys".

I think the point is that if Short ,Wanzek and even Kingsley haven't developed the way we thought they would. Maybe that is why the coaches need to expand recruiting or maybe that is why they should add some non-gophers to the mix. I believe two of the 3 NC's we have we had some non-gopher influences during the time of those wrestlers careers (Schwab was around for some of the 01 and 02 championship teams careers).
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I'm still waiting for a hater to tell me specifically what new coaches should specifically teach different in practice. Like what are the coaches showing wrong right now and who would show these specific things better? Or are they just blanket haters?
They could teach an attacking offensive style and the ability to get out from bottom for starters. They could teach how to go on the offensive before the last 15 seconds when you are down by 4 or more. Is that specific enough?
Tom Brands in his press conference following the MN IA dual complimented the MN team for their bottom wrestling. He noted that it was obvious MN had improved and worked on that area. Brands can acknowledge it, yet Some MN "fans" can't.

Listen to any of the coaches. They all constantly preach more attacks, more offense, more bonus. Their philosophies are very aligned with that mentality. The coaches can't wrestle the matches. i think the MN program is stereotyped on a few wrestlers who lacked a lot of offense. We have had plenty of exciting wrestlers over the years. It was too bad the NCAA arena gave Dylan Ness a standing O for his conservative wait til the last 15 seconds style.
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I smell a DWEEB post coming
One that says he's a bigger "small man" cuz we know his name?
Douche' comment...
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Mar 26 2016, 03:16 PM
I'm still waiting for a hater to tell me specifically what new coaches should specifically teach different in practice. Like what are the coaches showing wrong right now and who would show these specific things better? Or are they just blanket haters?
They could teach an attacking offensive style and the ability to get out from bottom for starters. They could teach how to go on the offensive before the last 15 seconds when you are down by 4 or more. Is that specific enough?
Tom Brands in his press conference following the MN IA dual complimented the MN team for their bottom wrestling. He noted that it was obvious MN had improved and worked on that area. Brands can acknowledge it, yet Some MN "fans" can't.

Listen to any of the coaches. They all constantly preach more attacks, more offense, more bonus. Their philosophies are very aligned with that mentality. The coaches can't wrestle the matches. i think the MN program is stereotyped on a few wrestlers who lacked a lot of offense. We have had plenty of exciting wrestlers over the years. It was too bad the NCAA arena gave Dylan Ness a standing O for his conservative wait til the last 15 seconds style.
This the same dual where their 125 and 133lbers stuck our guys? Maybe there was sincerity on Brands' part but maybe he was snickering on the inside that we were on the bottom so often, specifically that his team had 12 points on us right off the bat...all because we have a D2 or D3 level 125lber in there (Petry) and a RSJr.(Brancale) that has regressed in the past two years enough that he probably should join the former at a lower level of wrestling...
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ND blessed us with Schiller. A guy who many thought would never see the lineup.

WI's Hartung was OK.

gophers recruit at all the major tournaments and go all throughout the country. It is harder to go to somebody else's back yard and poach a recruit, so that is why u see most recruiting occuring in the Midwest. It's all about resources and managing them. Not every team can realistically call every top 25 recruit and have ongoing dialogue, nor would it be a feasible use of resources. You aren't always going to get everyone. Not everyone you get is always going to pan out. Obviously you always hope you land the guys you spend a lot of time on and you hope they pan out.
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