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McKee should win the OW for this event. I also liked to hear he is wrestling 129.8 lbs for the last chance Olympic qualifier.
Oh so he can make 133 as well huh 😂... What about all those expert opinions we hear from people that say he is too big for 133?

Really trying to understand this comment. The majority of people on here want McKee to start at 133 next year. There has been some who are concerned he will not make 133 but I do not recall many who have flat out said he will not make it.

As for your previous comment. People who are not happy with recruiting never said that the Gophers do not get good recruits. The problem they have is the we do not get enough good recruits. Also, he still has not wrestled one match in College. No guarantees.

I really do not have a side in this fight. Just dislike when people make things up or contort what others have said to make their point.
If you aren't a hater this wasn't for you. I covered much of what the haters have been hating on.

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A few people have said flat out that McKee would not make 33.


FWIW, I think there is a kilo or two allowance at the last chance qualifier. At least I think that is what a couple of the guys said at nationals.
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Mckee will redshirt next season and wrestle 133 the following season. FACTS!

If he is the best guy in the room he should wrestle. The Gophers need a good year next year more then they do at some point in the future. Need to show this year was an anomaly.
Nope.

Did Cael wrestle Mega last season because he wanted to take 2nd or 3rd place? He redshirted him for this season and well, that worked out.
Megaludis wrestled as a true freshman. That's why he was able to redshirt last year. Exactly what I am saying to do with McKee (if he is the best in the room).
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McKee should win the OW for this event. I also liked to hear he is wrestling 129.8 lbs for the last chance Olympic qualifier.
Oh so he can make 133 as well huh 😂... What about all those expert opinions we hear from people that say he is too big for 133?

Really trying to understand this comment. The majority of people on here want McKee to start at 133 next year. There has been some who are concerned he will not make 133 but I do not recall many who have flat out said he will not make it.

As for your previous comment. People who are not happy with recruiting never said that the Gophers do not get good recruits. The problem they have is the we do not get enough good recruits. Also, he still has not wrestled one match in College. No guarantees.

I really do not have a side in this fight. Just dislike when people make things up or contort what others have said to make their point.
If you aren't a hater this wasn't for you. I covered much of what the haters have been hating on.

#GoGophers
Again, I am really not in either camp on this subject. I fall in the middle. However, people that think the program is down are not haters. They just disagree with you. I am sure they cheered for the guys this year and will again next year. You can support the wrestlers while still disliking the coaching staff.
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Mar 26 2016, 07:00 PM
If McKee doesn't overlap with Thorn at the same weight down the road, I agree redshirt him. Not that opinion weighs too heavy haha.
That's the problem one of them may have to move to 149 at some point, if they both want to be in the lineup. If next year is the only year he can make 133 he should wrestle. If he feels he's a career 133 (I doubt it) than go ahead and redshirt.
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Mar 26 2016, 07:04 PM
A few people have said flat out that McKee would not make 33.


FWIW, I think there is a kilo or two allowance at the last chance qualifier. At least I think that is what a couple of the guys said at nationals.
That's correct.

When I suggested he be our guy at 133 next year (on either this thread or another), at least two posters laughed me off--stating how preposterous it was that a guy that wrestled 138 in HS could be expected to be at 133 next year.
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LeRoy Vega in the house for team Indiana!
Can someone tell LeRoy to put in Vega's ear that MN was good to him? That he developed from a stud 112lber into a stud 125lber....
Sounds like the U is on his visit list at least...

http://www.flowrestling.org/video/942425-danny-vega-has-visits-scheduled
Is there room for him? I mean, there's always room but he probably wants to start eventually. Lizak would only be a junior after Vega's redshirt year.
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Really trying to understand this comment. The majority of people on here want McKee to start at 133 next year. There has been some who are concerned he will not make 133 but I do not recall many who have flat out said he will not make it.

As for your previous comment. People who are not happy with recruiting never said that the Gophers do not get good recruits. The problem they have is the we do not get enough good recruits. Also, he still has not wrestled one match in College. No guarantees.

I really do not have a side in this fight. Just dislike when people make things up or contort what others have said to make their point.
If you aren't a hater this wasn't for you. I covered much of what the haters have been hating on.

#GoGophers
Again, I am really not in either camp on this subject. I fall in the middle. However, people that think the program is down are not haters. They just disagree with you. I am sure they cheered for the guys this year and will again next year. You can support the wrestlers while still disliking the coaching staff.
Boy you couldn't tell from their posts that they cheered on any gopher
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LeRoy Vega in the house for team Indiana!
Can someone tell LeRoy to put in Vega's ear that MN was good to him? That he developed from a stud 112lber into a stud 125lber....
Sounds like the U is on his visit list at least...

http://www.flowrestling.org/video/942425-danny-vega-has-visits-scheduled
Is there room for him? I mean, there's always room but he probably wants to start eventually. Lizak would only be a junior after Vega's redshirt year.
Next year if Vega would come:

125-Lizak-SO (Vega redshirting)
133-McKee-Fr.
141-Thorn-So.
149-Stroker-Fr (Marko redshirting)
157-Short/Kingsley-Jr/Sr.
165-Kingsley-Sr/Early-Fr. (Jeske Redshirting)
174-Wanzek-Jr.
184-Steveson-Fr. (Webster redshirting)
197-Pfarr-Sr.
Hwt-Kroells-Sr.

17/18 (if Vega chose MN)
125-Vega-RFr. (if he's big enough at that point)
133-Lizak-Jr. (assuming it looks like Vega will be big enough and he bulks up).
(McKee Redshirts)
If he didn't choose MN:
125-Lizak-Jr.
133-McKee-So.
141-Thorn-Jr.
149-Stroker-So./Marko RFr.
157-Short-Sr.
165-Early-So./Jeske-RFr.
174-Wanzek-Sr.
184-Webster-RFr. (unless we could nab Reenan too)
197-Steveson-So.
Hwt.-Streifel-So.

The following year, you'd probably see one of Early/Jeske bulk up.....IF Marko isn't the next Dolezal then maybe you'd even see Stroker or Marko at 157 to get him into the lineup. McKee as a So. while Thorn is a Sr. would be 133/141 if we didn't get Vega...
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I sure hope we can beat out ISU for Vega...he'd be a great "get"...

I should also clarify, that I didn't include Berge in either the 17/18 lineup or future lineups as I don't know if he is even considering MN...obviously, I hope he is and he decides to come to MN as he'd probably be a stud at 165 or 174 down the road.
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Well, about a week or two after his college choice dropped wrestling, he was showcased two weeks ago an hour from their campus and looked fantastic, so I think that counts as something akin to "if something fell out of the sky and hit you in the face".......

And Reenan's decision to re-open his recruiting after deciding another top notch academic school in the Big Ten that is also in a large urban area was not gonna be his choice would be like the situation above happening and after something that was needed fell out of the sky, looking up again and realizing something else you could use (another good "big" guy who could probably gain admittance at the U at a weight of need) was also falling into their lap...

Not hard to recruit when they come to your back door. Might be tougher to win over Reenan...but whatever.
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Of the newly available recruits, Reenan would be the most needed pickup, due to our large group of freshmen 125 lbers. Either would be great, though, and Lizak has the length to be a 133 as a Junior.
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Again I do not understand comments like these. The haters as many have said want the Gophers to recruit outside the Midwest. So they would be happy if they got Vega.

Since you want to go down this road. When and who was the last stud the Gophers got that was not from the Midwest? I am including Illinois in the Midwest. Please do not say Lizak. He is a great wrestler but was not a stud recruit. This is the point people are trying to make. I think it would be before 2012. That is five recruiting classes.

I am trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am positive I will be met with sarcasm or told I am a hater.
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McKee is a for real big time recruit. He is going to have a fantastic career for the Gophers IMO! He is also the kind of wrestler who makes those around him better.
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Again I do not understand comments like these. The haters as many have said want the Gophers to recruit outside the Midwest. So they would be happy if they got Vega.

Since you want to go down this road. When and who was the last stud the Gophers got that was not from the Midwest? I am including Illinois in the Midwest. Please do not say Lizak. He is a great wrestler but was not a stud recruit. This is the point people are trying to make. I think it would be before 2012. That is five recruiting classes.

I am trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am positive I will be met with sarcasm or told I am a hater.
The Gophers have brought in recruits fro outside the Midwest, the problem is most haven't worked out. Hence the reason they have stayed close to home.

Geiger, Mason, Disney, Ortiz, Bass jump to mind. Going back further you have Cory Cooperman, Tommy Owen, Holiday, Caligari, the 197 from PA, can't think of his name.

Ones that have worked out from further away: Eggum, Hahn, Ryan Lewis, the Lawrences.
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Again I do not understand comments like these. The haters as many have said want the Gophers to recruit outside the Midwest. So they would be happy if they got Vega.

Since you want to go down this road. When and who was the last stud the Gophers got that was not from the Midwest? I am including Illinois in the Midwest. Please do not say Lizak. He is a great wrestler but was not a stud recruit. This is the point people are trying to make. I think it would be before 2012. That is five recruiting classes.

I am trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am positive I will be met with sarcasm or told I am a hater.
I was just having a little fun with the new development. It's fun to laugh. Not sure I have ever called someone a hater on here or not.

FWIW, Lizak was on a world team and probably a bigger recruit than Vega.
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McKee is a for real big time recruit. He is going to have a fantastic career for the Gophers IMO! He is also the kind of wrestler who makes those around him better.
Yes sir. Mckee's the best 132/138 in the nation!!!
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Again I do not understand comments like these. The haters as many have said want the Gophers to recruit outside the Midwest. So they would be happy if they got Vega.

Since you want to go down this road. When and who was the last stud the Gophers got that was not from the Midwest? I am including Illinois in the Midwest. Please do not say Lizak. He is a great wrestler but was not a stud recruit. This is the point people are trying to make. I think it would be before 2012. That is five recruiting classes.

I am trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am positive I will be met with sarcasm or told I am a hater.
I was just having a little fun with the new development. It's fun to laugh. Not sure I have ever called someone a hater on here or not.

FWIW, Lizak was on a world team and probably a bigger recruit than Vega.
My apologies. I never meant to say that you called anyone a hater. Just a term others have used. I should not have used it when quoting you.
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Again I do not understand comments like these. The haters as many have said want the Gophers to recruit outside the Midwest. So they would be happy if they got Vega.

Since you want to go down this road. When and who was the last stud the Gophers got that was not from the Midwest? I am including Illinois in the Midwest. Please do not say Lizak. He is a great wrestler but was not a stud recruit. This is the point people are trying to make. I think it would be before 2012. That is five recruiting classes.

I am trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am positive I will be met with sarcasm or told I am a hater.
The Gophers have brought in recruits fro outside the Midwest, the problem is most haven't worked out. Hence the reason they have stayed close to home.

Geiger, Mason, Disney, Ortiz, Bass jump to mind. Going back further you have Cory Cooperman, Tommy Owen, Holiday, Caligari, the 197 from PA, can't think of his name.

Ones that have worked out from further away: Eggum, Hahn, Ryan Lewis, the Lawrences.
I can see this side of the argument. I just feel we might be limiting ourselves a bit by not landing one or two recruits from the east or west coast. I am sure we are trying. Just too bad we have not landed many recently. Hopefully this will change in the near future with Vega or Reenan.
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Again I do not understand comments like these. The haters as many have said want the Gophers to recruit outside the Midwest. So they would be happy if they got Vega.

Since you want to go down this road. When and who was the last stud the Gophers got that was not from the Midwest? I am including Illinois in the Midwest. Please do not say Lizak. He is a great wrestler but was not a stud recruit. This is the point people are trying to make. I think it would be before 2012. That is five recruiting classes.

I am trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am positive I will be met with sarcasm or told I am a hater.
I was just having a little fun with the new development. It's fun to laugh. Not sure I have ever called someone a hater on here or not.

FWIW, Lizak was on a world team and probably a bigger recruit than Vega.
My apologies. I never meant to say that you called anyone a hater. Just a term others have used. I should not have used it when quoting you.
No worries I get ur point. My post was meant to be light hearted.
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Holiday was a 4 yr starter that never redshirted. So even though he never AA'd, I'd have a hard time putting him in the same category as the other guys like Cooperman and Owen.
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Again I do not understand comments like these. The haters as many have said want the Gophers to recruit outside the Midwest. So they would be happy if they got Vega.

Since you want to go down this road. When and who was the last stud the Gophers got that was not from the Midwest? I am including Illinois in the Midwest. Please do not say Lizak. He is a great wrestler but was not a stud recruit. This is the point people are trying to make. I think it would be before 2012. That is five recruiting classes.

I am trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am positive I will be met with sarcasm or told I am a hater.
The Gophers have brought in recruits fro outside the Midwest, the problem is most haven't worked out. Hence the reason they have stayed close to home.

Geiger, Mason, Disney, Ortiz, Bass jump to mind. Going back further you have Cory Cooperman, Tommy Owen, Holiday, Caligari, the 197 from PA, can't think of his name.

Ones that have worked out from further away: Eggum, Hahn, Ryan Lewis, the Lawrences.
I don't think Bass was a big recruit was he? He didn't last long and ended up out East this year right?

And although Lewis worked out for them, he was at NDSU first--also in the Midwest.

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Holiday was a 4 yr starter that never redshirted. So even though he never AA'd, I'd have a hard time putting him in the same category as the other guys like Cooperman and Owen.
I would agree with that. I enjoyed watching him wrestle...during the regular season.
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Wait do the coaches realize Arizona isn't in the Midwest?!? This isn't part of the plan!!
Again I do not understand comments like these. The haters as many have said want the Gophers to recruit outside the Midwest. So they would be happy if they got Vega.

Since you want to go down this road. When and who was the last stud the Gophers got that was not from the Midwest? I am including Illinois in the Midwest. Please do not say Lizak. He is a great wrestler but was not a stud recruit. This is the point people are trying to make. I think it would be before 2012. That is five recruiting classes.

I am trying to have a legitimate conversation. I am positive I will be met with sarcasm or told I am a hater.
The Gophers have brought in recruits fro outside the Midwest, the problem is most haven't worked out. Hence the reason they have stayed close to home.

Geiger, Mason, Disney, Ortiz, Bass jump to mind. Going back further you have Cory Cooperman, Tommy Owen, Holiday, Caligari, the 197 from PA, can't think of his name.

Ones that have worked out from further away: Eggum, Hahn, Ryan Lewis, the Lawrences.
I don't think Bass was a big recruit was he? He didn't last long and ended up out East this year right?

And although Lewis worked out for them, he was at NDSU first--also in the Midwest.

Bass was up and down in high school. He did have a win over Bo Nickal.
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Holiday was a 4 yr starter that never redshirted. So even though he never AA'd, I'd have a hard time putting him in the same category as the other guys like Cooperman and Owen.
I almost beat Holiday. It was tied after the first 10 seconds of the match and he eventually squeaked by me 18-2.
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Holiday was a 4 yr starter that never redshirted. So even though he never AA'd, I'd have a hard time putting him in the same category as the other guys like Cooperman and Owen.
I almost beat Holiday. It was tied after the first 10 seconds of the match and he eventually squeaked by me 18-2.
I recently got "choked out" by my 14 year old in a grappling match. He's lucky ( like Holiday was when he wrestled you ), I wasn't 100%. Otherwise I would have torn the kids head off. I'm also old as hell, I've got no business having a 14 year old son. Much less trying to wrestle him. I'm Irish Catholic though, and take the doctrine seriously.
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