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Topic Started: Dec 31 2014, 07:48 PM (944,724 Views)
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Mar 26 2016, 12:36 PM
I still think you lose some recruits when you already have studs in place like Schiller, Storley, Ness, Dardaines. PSU maybe hasn't felt it yet but they are bound to. I don't think it's always recruiting ability as much as what's available whether it be scholly, education, wrestling partners, opportunity to start, enviroment, etc.
False, you don't lose recruits when you have AA's returning in their projected weight. Look at PSU.
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I still think you lose some recruits when you already have studs in place like Schiller, Storley, Ness, Dardaines. PSU maybe hasn't felt it yet but they are bound to. I don't think it's always recruiting ability as much as what's available whether it be scholly, education, wrestling partners, opportunity to start, enviroment, etc.
False, you don't lose recruits when you have AA's returning in their projected weight. Look at PSU.
I am a tender foot in regards to MN's recruiting class. I can say from an outsiders perspective, I personally have admired the job the MN coaching staff has done. J-Rob is a respected coach by all of his piers and wrestling fans outside of MN. The last couple of years have been rough. And at some point the drums of change need to be beaten. Just not now IMO.

Again, just my 2ct . I'm a WI fan. You folks don't know suffering. I'll trade you Barry Davis for J-Rob in a heart beat.
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The more I see Gable Steveson tweet, the more I think how large of a bond is between him, his brother, RBY, and Freddy Stroker.

I'm hoping it'll be this summer, but I think the Gophs might actually win this recruiting battle for those guys.

Hopefully that measn Teasdale too, but I don't know if they were serious about him in the package.
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Mar 28 2016, 12:48 PM
The more I see Gable Steveson tweet, the more I think how large of a bond is between him, his brother, RBY, and Freddy Stroker.

I'm hoping it'll be this summer, but I think the Gophs might actually win this recruiting battle for those guys.

Hopefully that measn Teasdale too, but I don't know if they were serious about him in the package.
RBY and Vega seem to be pretty tight as well. If the Gophers can somehow back into both Vega and Reenan...that's got to put the Gophers near the top as far as team recruiting for 2016. Followed by Gable and RBY...and say Lloyd and/or Berge in 2017. Things will really start looking good again.
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Seems like a lot of talent to land at one time. I would love it, but seems like a little wishful thinking unless one or more of them are not taking any scholly money.
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Mar 28 2016, 01:16 PM
Seems like a lot of talent to land at one time. I would love it, but seems like a little wishful thinking unless one or more of them are not taking any scholly money.
Yeah, highly unlikely that kids of this caliber settle for nothing or just books.
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Mar 28 2016, 01:20 PM
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Mar 28 2016, 01:16 PM
Seems like a lot of talent to land at one time. I would love it, but seems like a little wishful thinking unless one or more of them are not taking any scholly money.
Yeah, highly unlikely that kids of this caliber settle for nothing or just books.
Some of these guys that can travel/transfer all over the place must have some money to begin with and would maybe settle for little or no scholarship knowing it would help the team.

Not saying they would specifically for the Gophers, but how else does Penn St. have that much talent at once?
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Mar 28 2016, 01:16 PM
Seems like a lot of talent to land at one time. I would love it, but seems like a little wishful thinking unless one or more of them are not taking any scholly money.
Yeah, highly unlikely that kids of this caliber settle for nothing or just books.
Some of these guys that can travel/transfer all over the place must have some money to begin with and would maybe settle for little or no scholarship knowing it would help the team.

Not saying they would specifically for the Gophers, but how else does Penn St. have that much talent at once?
I just think that any kid of this caliber would think it was a slap in the face to get a low or no offer compared to what other programs might be willing to pony up. Being a salesman about your program is important, but it only gets you so far. These coaches would know what market is better than I (in terms of what guys are worth scholarships), but I can see being insulted by being asked to walk on if you are a top recruit.

Penn State is winning the titles right now and everyone wants to be on a winning team. So they have an advantage in recruiting given their recent history. They are like Iowa under gable in that they are getting the top guys and doing well with them.

I really don't see the recruiting advantage with MN that they once had. They are doing a great job of keeping a lot of the MN talent at home if that is any consolation. There are just not enough Ness and Thorn brothers to keep this team in the hunt.
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Mar 28 2016, 01:16 PM
Seems like a lot of talent to land at one time. I would love it, but seems like a little wishful thinking unless one or more of them are not taking any scholly money.
No clue if it's possible, I'm not up to speed on who has money and who doesn't and what comes off after this year and next...but it's fun to speculate. Especially in the off season.
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The more I see Gable Steveson tweet, the more I think how large of a bond is between him, his brother, RBY, and Freddy Stroker.

I'm hoping it'll be this summer, but I think the Gophs might actually win this recruiting battle for those guys.

Hopefully that measn Teasdale too, but I don't know if they were serious about him in the package.
RBY and Vega seem to be pretty tight as well. If the Gophers can somehow back into both Vega and Reenan...that's got to put the Gophers near the top as far as team recruiting for 2016. Followed by Gable and RBY...and say Lloyd and/or Berge in 2017. Things will really start looking good again.
I really don't get the Reenan speculation, I've read a lot about him and nothing to me suggests that Minnesota is in the hunt. Vega is, as we just heard, but I think Reenan is very wishful thinking vs actual evidence of interest
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The more I see Gable Steveson tweet, the more I think how large of a bond is between him, his brother, RBY, and Freddy Stroker.

I'm hoping it'll be this summer, but I think the Gophs might actually win this recruiting battle for those guys.

Hopefully that measn Teasdale too, but I don't know if they were serious about him in the package.
RBY and Vega seem to be pretty tight as well. If the Gophers can somehow back into both Vega and Reenan...that's got to put the Gophers near the top as far as team recruiting for 2016. Followed by Gable and RBY...and say Lloyd and/or Berge in 2017. Things will really start looking good again.
I really don't get the Reenan speculation, I've read a lot about him and nothing to me suggests that Minnesota is in the hunt. Vega is, as we just heard, but I think Reenan is very wishful thinking vs actual evidence of interest
100% wishful thinking on my part, I admit. Although, seems like a perfect fit for both parties.
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Maybe one of the people on here that uses twitter should send Reenan a message and find out if he has had any contact w/the U? I think there are a few people that use it and follow guys like him and other top recruits--I could care less about twitter.

It would make sense if the Gophers approached Reenan. I don't know how much money Webster got or if he even needed it much (from what I've heard he might not "need" much...read into it as you want).
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Fredy Stroker is a flat out stud. There are no sure things in this sport. I've had ring side seats to more then 1 heartbreaking situations where a "sure thing" did not live up to expectations. But those guys aren't Fredy Stroker. Good student, gentlemen,excellent wrestler. I've watched Fredy wrestle many matches when he was competing @ different national tournaments while in middle school. He also competed against my son in dual meets while wrestling for team Iowa years ago.

While I don't know Fredy Stroker very well, I have met him on many occasions, mostly to congratulate him in victory. I must say he is a great kid IMO. MN wrestling fans are going to love this young man.

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Mar 28 2016, 01:34 PM
Not saying they would specifically for the Gophers, but how else does Penn St. have that much talent at once?
Scholarships awarded should be transparent and available to the public. I'd guess Cael (or do I mean the NLWC) would say no.
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Mar 28 2016, 04:04 PM
Maybe one of the people on here that uses twitter should send Reenan a message and find out if he has had any contact w/the U? I think there are a few people that use it and follow guys like him and other top recruits--I could care less about twitter.

It would make sense if the Gophers approached Reenan. I don't know how much money Webster got or if he even needed it much (from what I've heard he might not "need" much...read into it as you want).
That would be Grappler6's area of expertise.
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Mar 28 2016, 04:31 PM
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Mar 28 2016, 01:34 PM
Not saying they would specifically for the Gophers, but how else does Penn St. have that much talent at once?
Scholarships awarded should be transparent and available to the public. I'd guess Cael (or do I mean the NLWC) would say no.
Why isn't that made public? Foolishly, I kinda always assumed it was. Not public in the sense that you could look it up online, but part of the public record none the less. It's a state school, shouldn't the taxpayers know what their dollars are funding?
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Maybe one of the people on here that uses twitter should send Reenan a message and find out if he has had any contact w/the U? I think there are a few people that use it and follow guys like him and other top recruits--I could care less about twitter.

It would make sense if the Gophers approached Reenan. I don't know how much money Webster got or if he even needed it much (from what I've heard he might not "need" much...read into it as you want).
That would be Grappler6's area of expertise.
Grappler6 got out of that game awhile ago
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Jammen is trying to get my Irish up.
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Maybe this will. Ringer got 38,716 online votes while Garrett and Snyder split 69,655.
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Not saying they would specifically for the Gophers, but how else does Penn St. have that much talent at once?
Scholarships awarded should be transparent and available to the public. I'd guess Cael (or do I mean the NLWC) would say no.
I agree Jammen. Too many people stretch the truth about what they or their son or daughters gets. I think this leads to people chasing things that really are not there. It would hurt the for profit sport clubs haowever as people would have their eyes opened up to the reality of how much (actually how little in many cases) scholarship money is awarded.
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Mar 28 2016, 01:16 PM
Seems like a lot of talent to land at one time. I would love it, but seems like a little wishful thinking unless one or more of them are not taking any scholly money.
Seems like something State Penn accomplishes on an annual basis.
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Gophers should hire Ringer as an assistant.
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Mar 28 2016, 08:34 PM
Gophers should hire Ringer as an assistant.
You've already got about 11 coaches on staff. Or, "Administrative Assistants," according to the website. There must be a lot of pencils that need pushed in Minnesota.
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Gophers should hire Ringer as an assistant.
You've already got about 11 coaches on staff. Or, "Administrative Assistants," according to the website. There must be a lot of pencils that need pushed in Minnesota.
Is there a limit?
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Gophers should hire Ringer as an assistant.
You've already got about 11 coaches on staff. Or, "Administrative Assistants," according to the website. There must be a lot of pencils that need pushed in Minnesota.
Is there a limit?
Three paid coaches, one volunteer assistant coach. Sport specific administrative personnel are not permitted to recruit or work out with the team in any manner. That's why I made the comment about pencil pushing. I guess Ness, Ness, Dardanes, Dardanes, Nelson and Sanders, all listed as admins are good at filing and dictation. And, Schiller is the marketing administrator.
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Gophers should hire Ringer as an assistant.
You've already got about 11 coaches on staff. Or, "Administrative Assistants," according to the website. There must be a lot of pencils that need pushed in Minnesota.
Is there a limit?
Three paid coaches, one volunteer assistant coach. Sport specific administrative personnel are not permitted to recruit or work out with the team in any manner. That's why I made the comment about pencil pushing. I guess Ness, Ness, Dardanes, Dardanes, Nelson and Sanders, all listed as admins are good at filing and dictation. And, Schiller is the marketing administrator.
I'm not sure on the specifics, but I would assume that college athletes can workout with whoever they choose outside of practice time. Just from experience I know of many situations where guys who were training at the senior level would come around to get workouts. I would assume the more guys you have training at the senior level around your program the better as they act as mentors and coaches.
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Not saying they would specifically for the Gophers, but how else does Penn St. have that much talent at once?
Scholarships awarded should be transparent and available to the public. I'd guess Cael (or do I mean the NLWC) would say no.
I agree Jammen. Too many people stretch the truth about what they or their son or daughters gets. I think this leads to people chasing things that really are not there. It would hurt the for profit sport clubs haowever as people would have their eyes opened up to the reality of how much (actually how little in many cases) scholarship money is awarded.
The coaching staff being the salesmen and deal makers, would be to their advantage to keep all scholarships private. It gets pretty funny listening to people talk about full rides all the time, when they are relatively rare in a sport that only has 9.9 scholarships for an entire team.

I really don't think being transparent about scholarships is needed as it might entitle people such as Dusty to bash an individual even more. What next, you have to list what each student has qualified for in financial aid? Seems like a breach of privacy. These are student athletes, not professional athletes.
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Gophers should hire Ringer as an assistant.
Yeah he's going the international route and is sticking around Okie State
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It's the structured team practices where guys are limited. They can scrap with the guys at the senior level practices or outside of organized events. A volunteer coach has a few limitations but those are mostly in terms of recruiting off campus.
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